This was already debunked.

He played 382 snaps.

No.

I won my Dex bet with KC Tat.

I'll win this next one.

#4 wideouts don't get 40 catches.

It remains to be seen.

Outside of preseason games, where he has done precious little to be honest, he has done nothing in this league.

Yeah racking up 800 total yards in a season is doing "nothing".

They were garbage yards. This has already been discussed.

His garbage yards and inability to make plays as a RB is why he is no longer a RB.

So you're not so sure we're gonna get nuked by ATL huh?
Troll.

How many snaps did the Defense have??

Oh Bull ****ing SHIT.

Garbage yards? Give me a ****ing break.

Over 1,000.

Try reading the thread. LMAO

Or just realizing that 60 snaps x 16 = a large number

Yes, garbage yards.

Yards that any brokedick RB could have gained.

He is not a special player with the ball in his hands. Not particularly fast or elusive at all.

Now that he's been removed from the RB depth chart, because he sucked as a RB, we'll see if he can improve as a WR.

He'll get about 10 snaps a game as a #4 WR to do that. LMAO

I cannot WAIT for this team to snuff you outta here.

You have over 120,000 posts. 106,000 more than me, and probably 75,000 more than some of the most active posters. I have 2 jobs and a kid. I can't read every thread.

You could read this thread. You know, the one you're trying to post in? LMAO

We'll be 1-3 in a month, at best, and I'll be accepting your apologies.

Or will you continue to be obtuse?

"This team can win 9 of it's last 12 games. Look at the schedule." LMAO

Haven't read the whole thread. I actually work while I'm here. You're mom's basement has pretty low rent, I'm sure. My mortgage is 1300 a month. I have to be productive to pay the bills..

"Mom..The Meatloaf!!!"

LOL@ all the people talking about how good our pass defense is

You should use the word "obtuse" more.
Like I said, I love the fact that this team's success is going to be you're noose.

I have a full time job. I post while working. I just stepped off a plane.

I was posting while I was on the plane.

I don't want to hear your excuses for failing at posting.

This thread started three days ago...no reason for you not to have read it before you came in here spewing ignorance....

Failtribe.

I don't have to make excuses for not having 128,000 posts, and having time to read through every thread.
What is your job exactly?

Insert lie here

LMAO

How many posts do you have in this thread now?

We're talking about one thread....you silly bitch.

Try reading something before adding ignorance to the discussion...

Anyway, glad to own you in the Arenas debate.

I left for my 2nd job right after I posted the bet that you pussed out of, and have been in and out of this one while actually WORKING today. I still haven't read it all.

I didn't puss out.

I don't want to see you removed from the forum for any length of time.

You're too much fun.

You are Batman and I am the Joker.

Some men...just want to watch Chiefsplanet burn.

You can't own anything. Your football takes are completely without merit because of all the bets you have lost, and are going to lose. You have yet to be right in any situation that you thought was important enough to place a wager on. the bet with Tattoo was ridiculous, and doesn't count and you know it. Get back to me after you actually win one of the bets you have.

yea ... this sounds like a load of bullshit

good one LMAO

I tried to create an account on ESPN to do Cowherd's Eliminator challenge just to pick Atlanta in week one. This thing is as close to a lock as you can find in the NFL. All signs point to Atlanta.

My gut feeling says Atlanta is going to blow the Chiefs out.

This coulda been a great game if half our defense wasn't sitting out.

*Yawn*

LMAO

And predicting that a #4 WR will catch 40 balls in a run-first offense isn't ridiculous?

Shit, you think he might grab 50. LMAO

Umm, no. NFC road favorite at Arrowhead is far from a lock. They aren't in thier little Dome this week.

Exactly.

I can remember a dozen times in the last 20 years that a top NFC team came in here and got beat by an inferior Chiefs team, including last year's Green Bay game.

I think Atlanta wins and my gut says by a lot. But my head is telling me history suggests otherwise.

Should I roll tape of Cassel sucking ass against the Giants and Cowboys in 2009?

That Packers game was nice, but Kyle Orton isn't walking through that door.

I'm going to tell you how to beat my Falcons:

On Offense -

Run the ****ing ball. Don't try anything to the edges, except in nickel when Asante Samuel is on the field otherwise Robinson or the OLBs will catch Charles. Go up the middle, get a blocker on Dent as he is a great tackler but doesn't shed blocks like Lofton could. If Charles is the carrier, get a blocker on the safety Moore or he will take a blow you don't want to see him take. If its Hillis, Moore is just as likely to hurt himself as Hillis.

Don't, under any circumstance, try comebacks, curls, or out-routes at Samuels or Grimes. You run a significant chance of a pick by Grimes or a pick 6 by Asante. Only elite QBs can pull those throws off on them. Play action and slants are probably your best bets. The starting CB trio of Asante, Robinson, and Grimes gave up a total of 111 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs on Post and Corner routes last year, so might consider abandoning that option.

In pass protection, double Abraham and keep a close eye on Robinson. With Nolans scheme, blitzes will come from everywhere, but Moore & Robinson are especially dangerous as blitzers. Babineaux will get occasional pressure, and Peria Jerry has looked dominant so far this offseason, frequently the first player off the ball (although that has led to these replacement refs calling absurd offside penalties). He has not learned to use his hands well yet, his burst is his biggest asset.

On Defense -

The offensive line is not as big a mess as people try to make it out to be. There are, however, two weak links - Sam Baker at LT although he has looked significantly improved this preseason and Reynolds at RG who looks his usual horrid self. Don't put your best pass rusher against Clabo at RT, as he is rated by PFF as one of the best pass blocking RT's in the NFL.

Against the running game - it is all on your front 7. You won't get help from your safeties without getting completely burned by either Jones or White on a PA. None of our 'backs are particularly effective to the outside. Can catch Turner in the backfield, as he has lost a significant amount of burst. Rodgers, however, will find the creases if you try to catch him in the backfield.

Koetter's scheme is a lot more complicated than Mularkey's. The biggest problem Atlanta's OL had in the past was the absolute refusal to run screens to slow down the pass rush. This is now a big emphasis by Koetter and has been very effective throughout the preseason leading Matt Ryan to not even be touched before the 3rd game against Miami.

Matt Ryan's deep ball is still a work in progress. However, Jones must be double covered at all times as it usually takes more than one more to take him down and his open field speed is excellent (ran a 4.3x 40 with a fractured foot). White is more of a possession receiver, but can get open down field against slower/less experienced corners.

Douglas is a total wildcard. He might show up, he might not. We might look at him, we might not. Nobody ever really knows.

TG will be his usual self. Don't let Ryan have the time to find him as he is usually the 3rd option now.

LMAO

That's all our QB can do. That and hit 2-yard drag patterns and slants.

We abandon that option against every defense.

yea those CBs are going to jump at every piece of crap stationary route pass Cassel throws

definitely at least 2 picks for Cassel and probably a fumble for giggles as well. He will let some turd sack him because he will get rattled once he throws his first pick. Then he will go to the bench and do something stupid out of frustration like not put a ****ing hat on correctly without looking like an idiot. And thus our season in a nutshell is the Snowballing Cassel Gameday Approach

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This would be a perfect game.

Especially if Dexter catches about 7 balls for 36 yards, and we score 13 points.

You actually want us to lose?


I get being pessimistic but why be a fan at all

And I ask again, who was he supposed to take at QB that would have justified the pick?

We weren't getting Stafford. We weren't getting Bradford. We weren't getting Luck or Griffin.

So...Sanchez? Tebow? Clausen? Weeden?

You dont' pick a QB just to pick a QB. You don't reach for a position just to pick that said position. And if they picked up a guy like Dalton, Foles, Wilson, etc., there is about a 98.9% chance that they were going to be second or third string anyway.

Especially when you had a quarterback on roster who was fresh off a Pro Bowl appearance in 2010.

They picked up Stanzi because he represented the best pick for the team right then and there. Other than that, you could argue that the guys they picked were better players for the team needs versus a QB at the various spots.

However, as Cassel is nearing the end of his contract (2014), Quinn hasn't necessarily distinguished himself and Stanzi is only a second year guy, I can see them looking at the position earnestly in the 2013 draft where there are four, maybe five guys who will end up with first round grades, not including the potential juniors who could, which might be up to three that would receive high draft grades as well. It's a monster QB class just considering the seniors.

They/he (Pioli) has ignored the QB position because he really didn't need to address it to this point because Cassel is a decent (not great) QB who had a Pro Bowl level season in 2010 and there really wasn't a guaranteed starter stud that they could have selected when they have picked the past three drafts. That's going to change this next draft - possibly.

Yet that's exactly what they did regarding Tyson Jackson.

At this point in time, the nfl is all about the qb. You can't sit around and wait for one, gotta be proactive


So there wasn't a guy available when we picked, there were guys available via trading picks etc

Exactly this.

I'm sick of the excuses:

"QB X, Y and Z weren't available."

"This place would have gone nuts had we "reached" on QB A, B or C."

"QB D, E and F are shitty with their current teams, therefore they would have been shitty here."

"The QB class of [insert year here] is better anyway, I guarantee Pioli will take one then."

It's all bullshit.

RGIII supposedly wasn't available to the Redskins.

Who gives a shit if people here shit bricks if we "reach" for a QB? If he pans out, no one will be bitching. If he doesn't, we try again. I'd rather try and fail 10 times with QB's than take even one Tyson Jackson.

No one has any clue how other QB's would have played here, or for that matter, how the rest of their career will turn out. Some of you have declared young QB's busts after one poor season - even if it was preceded by a phenomenal one.

Enough with the bullshit excuses. Grow a pair, and take a QB in R1.

And if you fail, do it again until you succeed.

Joe Flacco? I realize that's pre-Pioli.

Also, this team reaches for players all the time. It's silly and pretentious to act like they haven't done it over and over.

Onthewp is pretty much right, save for the keep tryin thing. You may not get many chances if you go all in on a qb and fail but gotta have the nuts to try

You try when the opportunity presents itself. You don't reach for mediocrity.

The Jackson argument is one that Pioli wins. We didn't have a true five tech on this roster when he came in and Jackson was the best potential for that position in that draft. And guess what? He's now playing like one of the best five techs in the league and the stats back him up.

At this point I sure as hell would rather have Jackson versus Sanchez. And this place would have went freaking ballistic if they picked Freeman at #3.

In fact, as it stands, I think you take only Clay Matthews and possibly BJ Raji over Jackson in that draft.

In 2010, we were not getting Bradford no matter how much you wanted to pony up. So, do you reach for Tebow over Eric Berry?

In 2011, quarterbacks went quick and a lot went much earlier than was anticipated. Were you willing to forgo Jon Baldwin and Rod Hudson to trade up for Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder?

In 2012, we were not getting Luck. Indy wasn't going to trade that pick for five full drafts. Griffin commanded a lot of picks...would you be willing to give up Poe, Allen and a shot at someone like Wilson, Jones, Smith or Bray in 2013?
Would you have been happy to give up multiple picks to move up for Tannehill and forgo the chance at previously said QB's in 2013?

It's about building a team, not mortaging your future on a position because we haven't picked that position in the first round in a while.

You all need to be a bit more objective and rational.

Is this a serious question?

i would have been more excited about this season if it was Russel Wilson instead of the raw turd offensive lineman project we drafted.

I'm glad Pioli has a hard on for d-line and o-line in the draft.

would i give up poe for Griffin?

LMAOLMAO

you're applying the famous Chiefsplanet risk double standard

drafting a QB is risky

drafting an under achieving NT from a shitty conference is not risky

bottom line: we've spent 3 top eleven picks on the DL...and a 2nd on a backup QB

it's not defensible

Those O-linemen actually had a pretty good Preseason and showed flashes. Im kinda excited about them. The same way i was excited about Hudson last season.

Regarding the Wilson thing:

The Chiefs missed. As did 31 other teams. An un expected player emerges every year, bfd.

This fanbase, and likely Pioli, thought Stanzi would be our Wilson. Back to the drawing board with that one apparently.

Wish we woulda made a poll before the draft: Stanzi vs Wilson.

Remind me to do that with this coming draft so we can put an end to this revisionist shit.

Only because he had a great preseason. If he doesn't blow up, or if Seattle did what every other team in the league would have done and put him behind the veteran, you wouldn't even know this guys name. The Wilson argument is bullshit. I didn't see a single person going apeshit that we didn't take this guy in the second or third round.

Not just Poe. What did the Skins give up for Griffin? Three first round picks and a second.

He better be Joe Montana for that to pay off.

It's completely defensible.

yeah..much more important to have jackson and poe and mccluster...

like i said...this is old news, same shit we've heard from chiefs fans for decades...

"oh no! it risky!"

I'm extremely nervous for Sunday, keep having flashbacks of the horrifying opener from last year

It's not risky to pick a QB in the first round.

It's risky to pick a QB in the first round just to pick one.

Like I said, the timing is right for one next draft. It's deep, the top four senior QB prospects are all very good QB's who are near identical in most comparable traits.

If they get the opportunity to get one next year and don't, I'm going to have a bit of a problem then, but I'm not going to bitch about missing out on picking Tebow, Sanchez, Clausen or even Freeman at this point just because we need to pick that position in the first round.

Great point. Probably why it was ignored by the person you were talking to.

If you do not take a chance, you have no chance.

We took Tyson Jackson

That point was already ignored.

Interesting stat from Mitch earlier today. Last season Falcons were 31st in converting on third down and were 29th on stopping the opponents on third down.

This is a lie, or something.

Atlanta's offense was 6th in third down conversion rate.

Defense was 29th, though.

Still can't get over how a supposed fan of a team, cheers for them to lose.

Maybe. I don't think so.

I look at this pick as the guy they felt had the most attributes of all the available players (both defensive & offensive) for the type of systems they run.

Clay you have a negative attitude, like Eeyore.

Lol it's not that. He's just trolling the crap out of you guys. He wants us to win just as much we do. It's easy to see.

And oh BTW for those (many) of you who follow football by way of braille, Tyson has played pretty good through pre season.

Tyson?

LOL

We must lose to win.

Lose so we can blow up what we have now, bring in another GM that you will lose hope for? I'd love to have that happen.

I am giving your address to Todd Haley:D

Clay is a realist about this team, as we all should be. (I am looking at you Black Bob)

Eat a dick.

Go **** your daddy
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Clay is a gambler and foolish about this. If we lose a bunch of games, it will screw up the chemistry of the team that has been built throughout the rebuild. It will be ugly this time and we will be rebuilding the rebuild and that is bad news. No quarterback is lock and the "first round QB is a must" idea is flawed. KC will be good this year. I think if Eric Berry read what Clay wrote he would punch him in the face. The players just voted Cassel captain and they did it for a reason. They believe in the guy and I think they take pride in being a team that is not built around one player. The "suck for Luck" philoiphy would bomb with KC's players. It would be 1000% against everything they have been taught here. It would be 1000% the opposite of what Clark is building. We are trying to win constantly.

Are you 12?

Since 2005 all but one super bowl winning team drafted quarterbacks in the first round, the exception being Drew Brees who was drafted with the first pick in the second round.

A smart post followed by a stupid one. The realistically available QBs from two years ago haven't done anything since they were drafted by other teams. They still have a chance to improve and become something, but if we can assume that no miracle turnarounds occur, drafting them would have done absolutely nothing for the Chiefs.

As for this last draft, you're dumb if you think we had any chance at Luck. Griffin was gettable, but only if you were willing to give up more than what the Redskins did, which was already a LOT. I personally believe that Griffin III will be a good QB, but if last season and this preseason has demonstrated anything, it's that this team still lacks strong, lasting depth. Injuries are inevitable, and with the deep class of talented quarterbacks in next year's draft, I can definitely understand the choice to build depth and keep our picks for next year.

Griffin III could be a a hall of famer for all we know, but the fact of the matter is that it's far more likely that he'll end up being average or slightly above average. Football is a team sport, and Sam Bradford is proof that even a talented QB can't overcome a lack of team talent or depth. We'll hopefully have a better chance at a new franchise QB after this season because of the deep class, and at that point we'll have a stronger overall team for that player to come to. As a result, he'll have a smoother development and a better supporting cast than if we had gone all-in to trade up to #2.

Call me brainwashed if you want, but I see a team that has improved significantly in the last few years. Like it or not, both football and life can be estimated with reasonable accuracy using statistics and averages, and if you continually improve the average talent and ability of your team, probability suggests that you will have a team that will compete year after year. If and when we finally obtain a top-tier quarterback to lead this generally talented team leading us to make continual runs deep into the playoffs, all of you constant whiners will look stupid. Either way, this team's arrow is pointed up, and to claim otherwise is silly.

You're citing the wrong statistic. Instead, why don't you tell us the fraction of quarterbacks taken in the first round that have won supoerbowls? Oh, does that particular number not suppor your point?

Most teams in the league that are successful have qb's drafted in the first or second round. I would much rather try and fail then stick with Dink and Dunk Cassel