And AS they were coming out of college, teams and scouts missed on Brady, Montana, Kaepernick, so on and so forth.

It doesn't mean that those guys WEREN'T ready to lead a team to a championship game or the Super Bowl, it was that scouts and GM's weren't AWARE they were ready. They were misses.

And furthermore, if you're going to ask this question, maybe you should do it in a Private Message, you know, since only people that have "watched film" should respond.

LMAO

You guys are acting like ****ing tools.

Again, who cares?

What did the Chiefs GM say in the past week about the QB prospects?

And both of those guys do know their shit. I really like Kirwan.

Ultimately I think it's pretty idiotic to jump anyone's shit for where they stand on this right now (except for Kiper, who says there will be no first round QBs and is therefore a reerun).

It's clear that there's a massive split of opinion on this issue.

I need to get Sirius again, I miss listening to Kirwan in the truck.

With all due respect, Kirwan's ****ing moron. When he ran the personnel department for the Jets, they were ****ing awful (The Kotite years and more).

The guy couldn't get a job in the NFL if he worked for free.

No, it doesn't mean anything more than scouts make poor assesments all the ****ing time.

But you go ahead and keep posting other's opinions.

It makes look like ****in genius.

i notice shafter has been quiet. I wonder why?
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Well, certainly not YOU, Dane.

JFC.

Mention even the mere possibility of Geno Smith and you go off like Adolf.

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How am I posting other people's opinions?

Hell, from what I've read here, you and your posse have it all figured out:

It's just a matter of time before Andy Reid and John Dorsey are in full agreement.

So, were you a tool when you were slurping Sanchez while every draftnik questioned him?

You failed to answer my question.

What does John Dorsey think about this QB class?

We really don't know, because just about everything that comes out of a GM's mouth this time of year is probably a lie.

Go back and read my posts. I wasn't "slurping", first off. And once the Cassel trade was made, it was irrelevant.

Furthermore, I wasn't pushing Sanchez for 6 months before the draft.

This shit with Smith is about 1,000 times as annoying as the ****ing Ricky Stanzi shit, which quite frankly, I never thought possible.

We aren't the ones being tools here, Dane.

We were trying to have a discussion about an important part of drafting a quarterback that tmk hasn't been discussed yet and you came in the house all coked up and swinging your fists with your eyes closed.

Bullshit.

You don't like his direct answer, so you refuse to believe it.

That's called DENIAL.

No, I answered your question.

Again, you didn't like the answer, so now I'm the "blind, bad guy".

And Ricky Stanzi should have been a second rounder.

LMAO

Is anyone not a moron?

I guess that's my question here. You seem unwilling to do any homework yourself, and that's fine. You also seem hell-bent on blasting anyone that has. Okay, that's less fine but whatever. You also seem content with calling just about anyone that's proffered an opinion nationally something of an idiot.

WTF are you even hanging around for then? Your entire purpose at this stage appears to be to just tell people to shut up and wait for what happens. Well ****, Dane - it's a discussion board. What the hell's the point in having a discussion board if all we're going to do is sit and wait for the results to trickle in?

We're not curing cancer here, we're talking football. Contribute or leave.

Sitting back and blasting folks that are actually throwing ideas out there, good and bad, is just tiresome. I'

Go back and read Dorsey's comments again. He doesn't say that he orvReidcthink that Geno or other qbs aren't worthy of the top pick...he dances around while saying very little of real substance....he basically says "some guys don't think there is even a first round quarterback in this class. Mine and Andy's job is to see if that's true and we are gonna do everything we can to do exactly that."

Shit, he clearly said that he and Andy will make their own lists about the position and that they would attend every workout and interview they can.

It's not like Dorsey was scouting Geno for the Packers during the last year, he even said the most important part of the process had yet to come.

No, what's truly ridiculous is that when the so-called "National Media" has a negative opinion of the Chiefs, the forum says that they suck, King sucks, Prisco sucks, Florio sucks, Whitlock sucks, etc.

Yet, when the national media agrees with the opinion of Chiefsplanet, suddenly, those pundits are okay.

It's laughable.

And no, I'm not going to sit around and waste my time watching shitty YouTube clips of a QB that may or may not be selected by the Chiefs in late April.

Ha! So, since my opinion is to be cautious and point out the ridiculous flaws in people's thinking, I'm not welcome?

Maybe I should just stay up all night and watch YouTube clips, just so I can join your club. That sounds like fun.

Contribute or leave? What the ****? You're the same ****ing guy that lobbied for Dana Holgersen and told me that Javon Belcher was an above average ILB, yet I should leave?

Yeah, no.

You know what's truly tiresome? Reading the same bullshit from the same exact people in every thread for months on end.

THAT'S tiresome.

Your opinion on anything to do with a QB that you have only seen the two worst games of the career of is one of two things:

Irrelevant
Ignorant.

If you want to be taken seriously in a conversation about Geno, take some time and watch some of the "every throw in each game" on YouTube because the two games you saw showed NONE OF HIS UPSIDE, whatsoever.

There are whole games on YouTube, Dane...not just "highlight clips"

Dorsey didn't give his opinion.
He tod us what he's heard.

He and his staff are just starting the evaluation process on thes prospectsn having just finished evaluating the Chiefs roster.

No.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/16...chiefs-if.html

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”


No.

Complete speculation.

If you don't think that the Chiefs have watched game film of every QB available in the NFL draft, you're mistaken.

You didn't read the article, either?

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

Exactly.

People read things like "there are personnel people that say there isn't a first round quarterback in this class" and immediately take that as "I, John Dorsey don't think there is a QB worth a first round pick for us"

It's not at all what he said.

Shit, he even said that he and Reid would be doing their own homework and setting their own QB board by doing as much homework as possible.

He also said that what happens between now and the draft is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.

"can definitely say" is not the same as "there is not one"

It's a gray area, and gray area statements are the norm this time of year.

Chill the **** out, hoss.

I don't se him say "I" don't see a first round QB.

Wanna be taken seriously?

ROFL

From your own link...

“Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks

I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

Wow, no kidding?

Isn't that what I've been saying since January? That this shit is all irrelevant until after the Combines?

Yet, I've been told that if the Chiefs need to wait until AFTER the Combines to make a decision, they're ****ing stupid and that some members would be DONE with the Chiefs?

Isn't that right?

More from your own link:

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/16...#storylink=cpy

Yeah, which means that NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

Yet, all I read on CP is that if the decision HASN'T been made, Dorsey and Reid or morons.

STRIKE ELEVENTY BILLION!!!11111!!!!!

Clausen at 5!!
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Not at all. If you want "to be taken seriously" go spend some time getting informed about the discussion at hand. Your posts on this topic are ignorant.

Just watch the second half of Oklahoma...for starters, anyway.

That's bullshit, and you know it.

Seriously, I couldn't give a **** about being taken "seriously".

It's just ****ing insane that you find it important, especially at this point in the game.

That has most certainly been said.

Maybe not by you or Boss or Htis, but it's been said.

Such is the Geno hype machine around here.

I'll tell you what: If the Chiefs select Smith at #1 overall, at that point, I'll make time to watch his games on YouTube.

But 10 weeks before the Draft, before the Combine, etc.? No way.

first real chance we have to draft a QB in 30 years...


it just scares the shit out of some people

Come on, dude. We've been in position for several years now. The difference this year is that the #1 overall pick goes a long way to forcing an organization's hand.

This is the 4th top-5 pick for the Chiefs in the last 6 years, and some people still question the wisdom of drafting a legit QB.

Un****ingreal.

i think its a damned conspiracy. God forbid the Chiefs be legit much less relevant. Just be that cute, competitive mid west team that never quite gets over the hump! **** me...
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sure...i should have said 'first no-excuses-what-so-ever position to draft a QB'

If you're referring to me in particular, you couldn't be more wrong.

I'd love to see the Chiefs take a QB #1 overall. What I don't like is being told, repeatedly and ad nauseam, by the same forum members that ONE GUY is THE GUY.

Even though every paid scout, talent evaluator and the Chiefs GM, at this point, feel there IS no guy worthy of the #1 overall pick, and many feel there is no true first round talent available in the 2013 draft.

Taking a guy in the first doesn't make him a first round talent.

The Chiefs should have traded their entire draft in 2012 for RGIII. And if that would work, they should have drafted Tannehill or Wilson.

Instead, they're faced with an uncertain future and will likely select someone not worthy of first round grade, let alone, #1 overall.

No doubt. Has to happen.

If there's a "Legit QB", by all means, they should take him.

Dane, you wouldn't happen to be distantly related to Joseph McCarthy, would you?

True.

However, it doesn't seem to matter. Was Weeden worthy of being a first round QB? Tannehill? McNown? Druckenmiller? Mirer? Sanchez? Russell? Smith? Losman? Grossman? Quinn? VY? Leftwich? Leinart? Dilfer?

In terms of win percentage, their teams all improved coinciding with their drafting.

Meanwhile, here are some guys whose teams got worse once they were drafted: Ryan Clady, Bryant McKinnie, Shawn Andrews, Leonard Davis.

Don't forget Branden Albert and Glenn Dorsey.

I was trying to list good players.

Albert is a good player...

Ha. Nice. I'm going to have to think of another sig bet to make with you. I'm not sure where Terrance Copper stands with the new Dorsey/Reid administration, so his time on this roster may not be for long. The clock is ticking if you still want Copper swag.

If you think of one, let me know. I'd like to try my hand at a Jackson sig.

Or maybe LJ.

Donk fan, in with the logic.

:thumb:

:facepalm:

That's just gross.

ROFL

Dane, the Martyr.

Dude, you're acting like a tool.

"COMING OUT OF COLLEGE"

You ****ing dope.

It wasn't pointless 3 years ago, but it is now?

ROFL

The "kindler, gentler" Dane is actually still the "you need to think like me or I'm going to verbally assault you" Dane.

ROFL

Look in the mirror!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Some of us didn't "take time" to watch YouTube videos.

Some of us actually WATCHED THE GAMES. You know, because we actually enjoy college football.

You're just SO much better than everybody else. You have a life and no time to, you know, know what the **** you're talking about.

Dane is gonna have to leave again after we draft Geno.

He faces monstrous backlash.

Doubtful.

Most of the people that want Geno aren't colossal douchebags that will constantly rub it in someone's face.

I might seek out one or two fellas like RunKC. Just to poke them a bit. Maybe put my balls in their mouth.

Just a bit, though. Not too much. I'm really not a showboater.

Leave Run alone. He really is a good dude.

Are you using hindsight as your guide or asking a legitimate question?

Hey, whatever.

My answer remains the same.

Actually, no.

Regardless, it's gone far beyond that. I've seen how the Smith lovers have treated people that have more patience and want to see the process play out before anointing him as the #1 overall pick and savior of the franchise.

This obsession with Smith is eerily reminiscent of the Clausen debacle, at least IMO.

Look in the mirror, at what?

So, because I don't have the time, patience or energy to watch a bunch of ****ing videos on YouTube, I'm not allowed to comment on the nonsense that's been flying around here for months before The Combines?

Really? So I was right: You guys should just PM each other because clearly, only those people who've watched every snap should comment on this obsession.

Gotcha.

Riiiight.

So, next year, I should make special note to watch EVERY college game so that I can make comments beginning next January about college players that *MIGHT* appeal to YOU.

Go **** youself, Douchebag.

A monstrous backlash for what, exactly? Waiting for The Combines, waiting for free agency to begin and waiting to see who exactly the Chiefs draft?

JFC. Never ONCE have I said that Geno Smith shouldn't be the choice. I've chosen to WAIT before making any determination until AFTER the Combines.

****ing moron.

Its called 43 years of beating your head against the wall. Doing the same thing, OVER and OVER again expecting different results.

The strange thing is, the results keep coming out the same!

I say that about Stanzi, because it has been proven that the ownership doesn't feel the fans will allow a drafted QB to develop. They want wins now!

Tell us again how you ascertained that all those prospects were better than Geno...after watching 2 games.

Don't come in here all high and mighty with an extremely poor understanding of the details involved in the discussion and then expect it to be ok with talking down to anyone that has more info than you.

Which prospects?

Oh and BTW, those were probably his most important games of the season, no?

LMAO

It's absolutely hilarious watching you guys go at it with Dane as if you've never interacted with him before.
Just keep hitting him with a logical side of the argument....I'm sure he'll see your side of it....ROFLROFLROFL

Nooooooooo. People don't change ships based on support? FFS, everyone does that, including you. If you agree with what someone's saying and they have a national platform, you use the ol' "appeal to authority" approach. If they're a national guy that doesn't agree with you, then yeah - you bitch about their lack of knowledge. Otherwise what are you going to do, just sit around nodding or shaking your head all day? People are going to try to validate their opinions - that's why they bother having them.

And you're also taking the BS approach of referring to Chiefsplanet as a collective. There are literally thousands of divergent opinions on this board. There's no such thing as "The opinion of Chiefsplanet".

Yet you'll still condescend like a mother****er to people that have bothered to become a hell of a lot more educated and informed on the subject than you. Well that certainly makes sense.

God love the "living in your mom's basement" approach. No, you're not un-welcomed because of a cautious approach. You're presently not welcome because you're a gleefully uninformed contrarian that can't seem to engage in any form of discourse without being a belligerent prick.

It's nothing personal, but being an ignorant, angry jackass is pretty much the BlackBob/SkipTowne method of operation and no, nobody's a real big fan of that form of 'debate'.

I'm not telling you how to spend your time, but if all you're going to do is sit around and shout at the darkness, I'm not sure what keeps you here. Afterall, you're too busy to bother learning about any of these guys so why are you wasting your time sitting around scolding those that did.

Then don't.

At this point you're just a cranky toddler sitting in the middle of the floor yelling about how everything is terrible. When complaints aren't supported by suggestions or substance, they're just crybaby bitching.

Which is about all you're good for these days.

You're right.

Everyone that doesn't agree with taking Geno at 1.1 is presently being excoriated for being sanctimonious prick.

It's everyone else, Dane. It's never you.

Gotcha.

Dane McCloud is the man

Tom Brady was a better prospect coming out of college than Geno Smith. -Dane McCloud

The Smith lovers, as you call them, have been under attack since early October.

They give back only what they have gotten.

Get over it.