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Haven't backed off anything.

Still think Geno will be a very good NFL QB.

Glad he got in a game tonight and got his feet wet, didn't make any mistakes, completed most of his passes.

Good start for a rookie!

Do you understand the difference between me and you? I made a couple of enthusiastic statements in AUGUST and as soon as the Chiefs made their regular season debut, I immediately changed my outlook. IMMEDIATELY.

You, on the other, SPAMMED this ****ing board for 10 months about Geno Smith and acted like a mother****ing DICKHEAD to ANYONE that disagreed with your stupid ****ing WRONG assessment.

You're not only a ****ing cockbag pussy that's unwilling to stand his ground, you're wrong and won't admit it.

That makes you not only a mental midget but butt****ing asshole as well.

ROFL

I'm standing my ground.

Geno will be a good NFL QB.

Can't wait!

Fixed that for you

EXACTLY. Who gives a shit about Geno Smith? He's a ****ing New York Jet.

What are you trying to prove with that quote? Chill out. How a guy plays his rookie season does not make his career. So far, Newton is a disappointment as a pro.

In other words, you are going to have Geno's chocolate penii in your mouth for 10 years?????

JFC, get a grip. Your obsession with Geno Smith is disturbing.

LMAO

Broke the rookie record, passed for 4,000 yards his first season, nearly 4,000 his second and has 62TD combined TD's rushing and passing.

Major disappointment.

Be sure to let Claythan know when Geno does something that would make someone change their mind about him. So far all your got is backstage at the draft. Other than that, looked good tonight. Poor playcalling and run blocking killed.

All this after one preseason game. LMAO

This shit is serious business.....

Is he in any danger of leading his team anywhere? No. Mostly b/c he incapable of leading. He's a bitch.

Cam is a bitch? Wait until you get a load of Geno against an NFL defense.

There you go again with your expert football knowledge.

LMAO

I felt that Geno would have been a great pick for us at 1.1 for what he wouldn't do this season - he could sit behind Alex and Chase to learn an NFL offense with no ridiculous pressure on him. He has the skills, now he just needs someone to help hone them, not to mention ready him for the spotlight of the NFL.

That being said, he is going to be an unmitigated disaster for the Jets. He is going to be thrust into the starter's role sooner rather than later, and he just isn't ready at this point for it, much less the pressure of playing in New York.

He's going to be a classic "What If?" question a few years from now.

With all due respect, this is exactly why he wasn't worthy of 1.1 and probably wasn't worthy of a second round pick.

He has a long way to go before he's even NFL ready and if that day comes, there are no guarantees that he'll be capable of leading a team.

I watched a bunch of his games last year. The kid just looks like a natural throwing the ball. Of course, it WAS against crappy Big XII defenses, and he didn't show well against talented defenses.....

The thought of actually having a QB that looked as though he can throw a decent pass was just way too intriguing to not think about for me, especially given what Reid and Smith could have potentially taught the kid, and also not mentioning all the dogshit we've trotted out at QB since Trent Green left.

Oh well, you're right - you shouldn't have to teach a 1.1 pick how to play his position. Here's hoping Fisher has ten dominating years at tackle for us. :toast:

It's all good, Dude. I hope Fisher becomes a dominating tackle as well because the Chiefs need to hit on their first round picks, regardless of position, if they truly want to compete for championships on an annual basis.

As proven by the multiple national championships won by Auburn since he left the program.

Seriously, he made Gene Chizik look like a good coach.

PROOF!

So, how is Geno doing again?
LMAO

6-7 for 47 yards.

Nice debut!

And a massive ankle sprain that looked worse than it probably was but still. Sprained it without even getting hit. LMAO

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ork-jets-debut

He's a bitch? He has dogshit for defense and receivers minus smith and his RBs get hurt

What about 7-8 for 68 yards with the only incompletion being a wise throw away?

No, he's fine. X-Rays were negative.

Geno did better than I expected for his first pro game. Well done, young man.

Clay the JETS fan.

It was nice of the Chiefs to help that little old lady across the street with their yards after catch.

LMAO! I haven't seen a Chiefs QB manage an offense that EFFICIENTLY since Trent Green. This is the perfect offense for him. I'd say you got a pretty good deal. But, of course, we'll see how long it is until he's injured.

Once again Chiefs talent evaluators show they know more about D&D than football. Nice call Geno ballwashers. Alex Smith = legit. Geno = bust.

ROFL


A bust for Geno after less than a quarter of play.


Alex Smith legit after one series of play.


Check back 3-4 years.

I don't think it will take 4 years for Geno to be out of the league. I'll check back when I rent a car from him at Enterprise.

He sure the hell has a lot to prove. I agree he could bust hard in the NFL but I think there is also a good chance that he will be successful not to be a bust. It is entertaining to watch him and not worry one way or the other. If he bust then I wont give two shits because we didn't take him. If he is successful then I will be pissed we didn't take him. I'd rather be wrong about being right that he will have success.

Anyone trying to argue Geno>Alex after this first preseason game, is going to say Geno>Alex all season long, regardless of results.

Two three and outs.

Dude has no trigger down field.

You're a ****ing idiot.

If Alex would have twisted his ankle in the fashion that Geno did...you would not hear the end of it from this board.

That said, side by side...Alex was more impressive last night (if you can say that) than Geno simply because I read on this board that Geno was a sure-ballot HOFamer and he looked average...at best, last night.

It's hilarious that Claynus wants to keep pimping Geno, the checkdown, short passing game in college, but then wants to bitch about how Alex Smith checked it down last night.

It's just sad the lengths the most worthless evaluators on this board (Tribal Welfare, Claynus and ROR) will go to to discredit a touchdown drive.

A ****ing touchdown drive they want to bitch about.

I don't give a **** if Smith throws 8 bubble screens a game and gets 300 yards out of them. I want the ball moving down the field and touchdowns on the board.

Smith did that. You don't get extra points for forcing the ball down the field if there was nothing there.

True, but I'm sure you understand that last nights passing attack won't be there or work entirely all year. They're going to have to push it down field or teams will only defend a 15 yard square.


That said, it was 1 drive in the first preseason game where the saints dropped 8 into coverage for the most part.

Yes, I understand that the Chiefs are going to have to use more of the intermediate passing game.

It was one drive where Alex took what the defense gave him and it was 7 points. That's what it is.

I want him to take what he is being given rather than throwing into triple coverage.

Sure.


But he's going to have to be confident/able to fit it into tight windows at some point.

I'm hoping our QB is smart enough to take what the defense gives us. If teams do start only defend a 15 yard square do too short passes or dump offs then that is the time to take a shot down field. Open it up that way make them pay. The question is if Alex Smith can deliver that ball precisely down field for our guy to make the catch? That is something we have yet to see. We can't just dump it off to JC the entire game and expect him to carry this team. Needs to spread the ball around to the WRs down field.

When the opponent is dropping 8 guys, a smart QB checks it down. Anyone who is complaining about his checkdowns and not recognizing the coverages is a clown shoe. He made the right plays.

I wish I had seen Alex against a more aggressive defense, but he threw against what was presented, executed the offense, and we got 7 points. I'm not going to bury him for that, but it's not like he showed too much either.

I think you are failing to understand the concept of the west coast system. It's about the accurate short to intermediary game spread out to multiple receivers and backs. It's also the concept utilized in the Spread systems that Ault and Meyer pioneered in college that basically has dominated that level.

The defense can "stack the box" all they like, the offense is set to have enough options that the defense can adjust to all of them.

It's why Reid coveted Smith in free agency. A guy who is very accurate, doesn't put the ball into the defenses hands and is smart so that he can pick up and understand the playbook and implement it in a game time situation.

It's about taking what the defense gives you. Don't think that one single drive in the first preseason game which was designed as "vanilla" that didn't have a pass longer than eight yards means that you aren't going to see deeper passes thrown for the rest of the year. You will. But they will be there when they are available.

If you want to see bombing with regularity, become a Lions fan. Both Stafford and Johnson are in the league leaders in yardage and the ball goes downfield often. However, they continue to pick in the top five in the Draft every single year.

Personally, I'm ready to start seeing some checkmarks in the win column with a regular shot at the playoffs each season. If that means a controlled, calculated offense that is based on ball control, time of possession and high accuracy, low risk passing, then that's what I want.

And I don't think that anyone should complain about Reid trying to get the ball into Charles and Bowes hands a lot versus trying to throw downfield all game long to Baldwin and Avery.

Smith is Gannonesque, and I mean that in a good way.

Not sure how anyone can bitch about a 14 play, 6 plus minute touchdown drive...

That's what last night reminded me of too. I'm Good with Gannonesque:)

Gannon was a good improviser.

The only time the play broke down Alex scrambled for a 1 yard loss. People around here compare everyone to Gannon.

7/8 with the only miss coming on a smart throw away. Yep Alex sucks-lol

Let's hope we don't have to see any of the other QB's on our roster though.

Agnew- nice job setting the record for burns in a game. Hope they left him in N O. That is probably the worst CB performance I have ever seen- Mighty Mouse JR. Even Trent Green and his triple rose colored glasses couldn't make it sound good.

Harris- Practice team- hands of stone. I don't care if you are 7'1 if you miss TD's catches your worthless.

I was talking about Dex in another thread and he delivered in a Big Way. What a weapon- I hope this is his break out year.

I'm sure you understand that when they clamp down on the short routes the longer stuff will open up then we are all good.

Yeah that never happened to Gannon I'm sure. Every play that broke down he'd work a little Gannon magic. Who are all these people getting compared to Gannon?

How did he do on third downs? How far did his passes travel through the air? What were your expectations for Geno in this game that he was able to meet?

Give us some deets, man. The 411. Some sterling anaysis. You know, the stuff the rest of us don't know that you are always talking about.

A translation of PFF's stuff on this game would be swell, as well. I don't really know what I'm looking at when I log in to PFF, that's why I am so dependent on your insight.

TIA

Dinny

This! :clap: It gave me hope that this team might actual be able to run a 2 minute drill when we need it- since most plays on the drive were no huddle.

The contract to Chase looks pretty dumb though- Brady Quit Jr. not impressed at all. The Ricky to Rico combo looks deadly though- lol

I understand that just fine, but all I'm saying is that you can't live all year throwing it less than 8 yards in the air like we saw last night.

And as I've said in every post, we won't see that all year. You eventually have to spread defenses out on the back end to open up some lanes

and this is another aspect snivelers are lost on -- this offense is a ball control offense.

Yes, for Christ sake, as I've said in every post I've made on the subject.

Geez, I make a post stating that we won't see all year what we saw last night and I get furiously attacked.


If you can't understand what I was saying, I guess that's on you

Team will start to try and take the short passing game away. That'll leave the middle open for intermediate routes. I think this is a good game plan that can work.

:hmmm: Not sure what you mean but OK.

No attack meant dude.

If the O can hang onto the ball thanthe defense alone will win 5 games this season barring injuries.

are you one of those saying AS can't throw a 35 yard pass? ya. then shut the hell up and wait for the real games, because we are all ****ing tired of reading that garbage.

Geno/Alex, Sanchez/Cassel. I fear it's the same shit 4 seasons apart. Jets/Chiefs QB losers.

Um, no.

That's what I said. Exactly. Word for word. Is anyone on this site capable of reading comprehension or do you all just take a comment and then sarcastically stretch it into something your feeble brain can argue against?

On one play that broke down Alex lost a yard. Small sample size. What, in that singular play, makes him comparable to Gannon? Hmmm? When you make a claim, the onus is on YOU to support it.

It's what people say about any QB who has decent mobility and a weak arm. I heard the 'Cassel can't be Manning, but he can be Gannon' shit for 4 years. I guess my lack of a gannon induced boner jades my opinion on this compliment.

Yes, this.


Go watch the pats or the broncos offense. They'll take their occasional deep shot but like us, we'll live in the intermediate zones for our "deep" balls

Pretty good question!! It reminds me of when Smith was drafted by SF.

I think the niners had tim rattay, and the team was shitty then.

A few HC's later, finally found one that had an offensive mind, and actually played the position himself.

Something tells me if Sanchez starts this season, and they have a losing record, and they make the switch to Geno that Ryan will be let go.

Then there will be another HC, with his own offense or defensive mind. Which in some cases, will set a QB back. Especially a rookie trying to grasp the current offense.

So as a result, I have to say (Alex will win more in the next 5 years.....)

Some people dont want to admit it, but you need a defense that can help keep you in the game. You need a few weapons other than the qb to throw too, you need a run game to at least take some of the pressure off of the passing game.

The Packers have recently has been looking for a running game, and to beef up the defense, as well as the Saints. It goes to show that having to score 35pts a game is great if your blowing a team out, but if your defense it continously failing, you have to tighten up that aspect of the game as well.

Not all about the Qb. What help makes the Qb successful, is the working parts around him on all three phases of the game. And I feel we are definitely a few steps ahead of the Jets.

****Its also funny with the results as 73% feel Smith, but in reading a lot of these posts you would think otherwise. ironic even. ****

I'm not really knocking him. Just wasn't impressed. No one should be.

Geno is held to a different standard. He's a rookie. just him getting in a game and completing 6 out of 7 passes! Nice! Real nice!

I know exactly what you mean. I think it comes down to trust. I dont know if you have ever followed the 49ers, but if you watched every once in a while, check out those intermediate to deep balls thrown to Vernon Davis. The main person on offense that Smith trusted, and he did it quite often, with the passes almost falling in his arms. One year he did it soo much that Davis tied the TD record for TE's.

So i dont think its a matter of if he can, or will he. As stated above, its a question of if it's there for the taking and if he can trust the WR or TE that he's throwing too.

You're an assclown

Yeah opening drive touchdowns don't impress the assclowns who are butthurt that we didn't take captain of the short passing game and checkdowns as our QBOTF.

I'll say it again, 7 points is 7 points.

Come on, this is the guy who relentlessly pimped Damon Huard, he can't be wrong about quarterbacks can he

If Geno Smith had put together that exact same drive that Alex did, the hate bros. Would have 15 threads crowing about it.

Geno Smith couldn't convert a third down, either

I just watched the opening drive on a large LCD TV instead over a tiny video on a computer screen.

Other than a Saints fan, who could possibly complain about that drive?

Smith was accurate and put the ball only where the receiver could catch it, IN STRIDE, I might add. And, they scored.

Claynus = Assclown

ROFL

Projecting.

Your sig is quite possibly the gayest thing I have ever witnessed on this board. Ever.

So, "mildly competent" over Casshole means it's now time to break out the pom-poms and declare the Dorseid geniuses!

Got it.

Yeah, I seem to recall Gannon completing some VERY beautiful long passes down the sideline, and being able to stretch the field in a very balanced way. Comparing him to Rich Gannon at this point is ridiculous. We'll see.

Um, we DID in fact "take Captain of the short passing game and checkdowns" as our "QBOTF".

And I put that in quotes because he is NOT our QBOTF. He's a mildly competent stop-gap.

They played a scrub defense. Quite possibly the worst d in the entire league. How many times did we see Cassel beat up on scrub d's? Hell, he made a name for himself in 10 doing the same thing we saw Smith do.