As long as they are Chiefs they dont play each other in games so they have 0 affect on each others career numbers.


To say that it is just silly.

I meant depends on fishers development and what he is, what he is in regards to if we should have taken someone else. Nothing to do with Hali

Everyone thought that Tamba was too slow five years ago. The guy is a machine. I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that he has his best year statistically this coming season and that he won't decline in performance for another four seasons.

heard somebody talking at the hardware store today about the defense using 46 d alignment with DJ & berry during TC saccapoo

also heard Fisher has been nursing a hand injury.

That's convenient. Don't believe it.

Maybe so, but it's a stupid move. He's an okay Right Tackle, let alone a Left Tackle.

Do you even read the thread?

If it's not in the OP it's not worth my time.

Ignorant poster is ignorant.

You know it's going to show up a bit this season under Sutton.

And anything you hear in a hardware store is pure gold.

I believe Hali has 4 more years of being a beast and not slowing down. He will thrive under Suttons defense. Imagine Hali, Houston, and Berry all blitzing off the same side

Ryan's defense isn't really a pure 46. It's a 3-4 / 4-3 hybrid, but the 46 is a defense that can be mixed in.

ya, they are using several formations in this defense -- just heard Austen Lane on 610 talking about it. They are using bunch formations with LB's up on the LOS overload too. sounded like those hybrids the Ryan's like. Also, they are blitzing Eric Berry from the nickel/dime. that a baby.

Get the Phillips head.

Lots of blitzing. Linemen playing multiple techniques. Right now, in Poe and DeVito, we've got two guys who have the upside to play 3 different techniques, which is pretty incredible. Biggest wrinkle is that your D-lineman can line up in a traditional 3-4 or a traditional 4-3 formation, which means the Ends will often line up in a 3-technique and the Nose might line up in a 1-technique in a 4-3, and the 3-4 defense is probably more similar to our 2-gap where they line up in a 5-technique with a 0-technique nose.

I say he has 2 years; and then I think he'll decline very rapidly.

Owing to what? He's in great shape, works hard, and hasn't really slowed down...Tony Gonzales should have declined rapidly but never really did...

I don’t think he can sustain that level of play for that long.
I’m not saying he’s going to automatically suck in 2 years; but I think he will go down a few tiers very rapidly.

Dont forget DJ, he's no slouch as a blitzer himself, its just that these recent fools have hardly used him for that purpose.

We have a top 5 OL now. Embrace it.

Amen brother.

You still think this?

Eric Fisher had a ****ing terrible game. He just looks overmatched. After next weeks game against the Giants will mark the end of the season's 1st qtr, and he's yet to really improve. I still don't like the pick - he wasn't a Jake Long type of guy, unless if by some miracle, he goes back to LT after Albert walks, he plays well because it's his strong side and its more natural and he becomes stronger on the point of attack by default, then the pick is a bust (so far)...esp at pick# 1-1.

He is killing this offense right now and really needs to be replaced by someone until he is ready. I'm just not sure if he can improve without playing. He is the Chris Getz of the Chiefs.

It's too soon to call him a bust right now. The only thing I will say is that the early returns don't look good.

The same thing was said in Houston about Bruce Mathews when he was a rookie for the Oilers. Half way through year 2 the light turned on. One of the bast all time. Mathews said "Fisher has all the tools." I'd believe him.

CoMo cursed him. The guy is doomed.

Can't call him a bust. But everything from training camp, pre-season, and the regular season shows very poorly for him.

He looks as bad as Allen does at Guard. You just can't see all of Allen's mistakes because he has help on each side but he is constantly getting blown up. Fish is a rook and is playing a new position. Give him time.

he looks like tyson jackson as a rookie

a clueless pussy

Yep. How many times are fans ready to throw the flag in too soon on young players. Geesh, the guy is three games deep into his first season.

And he's also the 1st overall pick. No excuses.

Matt Kalil
Trent Williams
Jason Smith
Jake Long
Joe Thomas

Those are the last 5 OT's to be taken Top 5.

4 of the 5 were studs from Day One.

As they should be.

Fisher made a good block on that late TD run by Charles


*ducks and runs*

there is no "what if" at this point

I really, really wanted to like him, but he flat out sucks at this point. He needs to be benched and replaced with Stephenson. They need to get Lenny from The Wizard (eugene chung) to work day/night with him until he is up to speed.

Polishing my pitchfork!!!

CoMoChief,

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If?

I ****ing hate it, and said that Fisher needs to play at a high level almost immediately to validate the pick but goddamnit we may have to give him a mulligan for this season ( like Poe) or at worst the 3 year rule.

Poe wasn't terrible last year

He was ass until mid-season then the lights turned on.

So I'm fairly new to this site even though I've been posting since the old KC Star days. I find it disappointing to see that some of the same old schtick from back in those days still is true today:

Some posters exist to find doom and gloom in any situation. That's their thing. It's never good enough. It reminds me of Ravens fans and I hate it.

On a day like today? This thread disgusts me, even if Fisher is playing poorly which he is. He's a freakin rookie in his third game in a new position and was described as a high-ceiling project from the beginning. Joeckel is actually playing worse.

You guys have zero patience. See: Jackson, Tyson. Poe, Dontari.

And Poe also wasn't the 1.1 pick.

At #11 you might take a shot on a guy that shows huge upside but has a lot of questions. That's what happened and it has paid off. Ten guys went ahead of Poe.

At 1.1, Fisher was deemed the BEST prospect in the entire draft by this organization. He should at least not make an ass of himself every game.

There's still plenty of time. The book isn't written for the guy, but his start is very troubling considering he was the best collegiate player available apparently.

Tyson Jackson still sucks given he was the 3rd overall pick.

We can't afford to wait three years for this guy to be decent at his job like Jackson. If we're going to win this year, we need to keep Alex Smith upright. And it would be nice if our elite running back could run to the right side of the field as well.

He's been thrown into the fire and needs to catch up quick, but that's what 1.1 picks are expected to do anymore.

It's not all doom and gloom. You can't say the guy is done already; but you can point out that regardless of this being the third game of his rookie season, that a guy with this sort of talent should and can look a whole lot better.

Die, dumbass

He made a good block on the 3rd down run where Charles went full LJ and ran into the back of the line.

But on balance, he's been hot garbage. He's gotten to the point where he's bad enough to impact plays that are being run away from him. When you're so bad that we can't even scheme to hide you, then you need to come off the field.

Stephenson will outperform him by a large margin and Stephenson wasn't exactly a nothing pick when he was made. If Fisher doesn't make strides in the Giants game, I think you have to go with Stephenson for the good of the guys on the roster.

He could get Smith or Charles hurt playing like this. That's unacceptable.

Fisher is going to be fine. I don't give a shit that he has been sucking, because we've been winning without him being elite. He will adjust to the pro game. He will get stronger and he will learn better technique for dealing with professional athletes and not pre-med students in the MAC.

No one cares if you think he should have been dominant in his first game. That's meaningless. Completely meaningless.

What matters is the long-term success of the team.

Show me where I said dominant or elite. Nobody cares if you want to make excuses for the guy. He is going to be an important part to the long-term success of this team; and he should look better than this.

I love that you think where a guy was drafted affects the quality of his performance four years later.

"That sack isn't worth the same amount! He was a first rounder! That other guy got a sack and he was a sixth rounder! Therefore he's a better player!"

God you people are myopic.

You just said both! :p

****er.

Fisher is playing well. He got beat twice last night. Once by Fletcher Cox and once on a delayed DB blitz. The DB blitz was not his fault at all. It was a really good play call. Look at what we did to Joeckel and Johnson guys? We got the best OT in the draft. This guy is already a solid "B" grade player imo and he will only get better.

He had been about average this year. Him and Dorsey both sucked ass for the most part their entire careers inspite of how patient fans where with them. Yes, I noticed how you left Dorsey out to try to make your point.

He should look better, absolutely. But if the planet evaluation is not limited to his play on the field. Where he was drafted is being taken into consideration when evaluating him, and that is neither reasonable nor logical.

You can bitch about drafting him that high, but you can't say he sucks MORE because he was drafted high, and that's what people are doing.

I don't disagree the guy is struggling badly. I just hate the irrational reaction.

I'll admit; when Fisher first came out I expected him to impose his will from the get-go. After the first three weeks, I just want him to be average and build from there.

+1

ROFLROFLROFL

Average would be nice and a huge upgrade from dumpster fire.

I can see your point. 1.1 picks are going to have unnecessary scrutiny. That's the nature of standing on that podium first on draft day.

It may not be fair, but it absolutely exists.

I dont know if Fisher will ever be worth the first pick, but I'm betting he's solid by years end. I dont think he will ever be a great pick, but don't see him being a total bust.

I saw Tyson Jackson throwing some bitches around last night. He was playing strong.

no problem with him being around with what he's making now.

LMAO

That's true, until it gets to the point that he's playing poorly enough to get people hurt.

I agree that he's probably going to be fine - I don't think he's a bust and I don't think you give up on him.

But you can't keep leaving Smith exposed like this. You can't keep forcing balls short to Charles and exposing him to hits because Fisher can't give Smith time to throw.

If you can make short term sacrifices that favor the long term picture for the football team, you do it to a point. But I don't see how you can keep trotting a guy out there that's putting Smith and Charles' health on the line.

He'll get better, but he can't start right now. Not if he doesn't improve to at least below average in a hurry. This 'let him play through it' thing isn't working for me because to my eyes, he's gotten less effective every single week.

It would have been nice he had made some type of attempt to get to Vick as he was bulldozing the lineman though.

Hell yeah, he is better than ever. Part of Houston's success can be attributed to him.

Jackson did a pretty hefty re-structure of his contract and I can't disagree with you here. He's been decent to good for the last half of last year and these first three games.

He's going to be forever haunted with the 1.3 draft pick; but at least he isn't making that sort of money anymore.

If Smith or Charles get injured for an extended period of time; our season is over. That's why Fisher needs to improve so rapidly. Our season depends on those two guy's well-being tremendously; and like you've said he's done an awful job so far of protecting either of them.

Eric Winston wouldn't be playing this poorly, even if he's not a good fit for Reid's offense.

Just saying.

Sweet burn. Listen why don't you take your amazing detective skills and apply them to Geno Smith's stats. Or is it too soon for him?

Here I'll start you off...

39/73 470 yards 53.4% 1 TD 4 INT 55.2 rating

he wasn't worth the 1.3 pick but i think he's only making 4.5 million now

If they want to keep him around at that price ... works for me

fixed it

If you spend a million dollars on R&D for a product that makes the company $20k annually, your ass gets fired. If you spend $35k on R&D for a product that makes the company $20k annually, you get promoted.

How can you be this ****ing stupid?

Meh. As long as he progresses, that is enough for me. He looked terrible at times, and good at times. This has to change, I agree with you on that, but I am willing to give it some time. Look at DJ, we all wrote him off as never going to live up to expectations, and look at him now. I understand Fischer was the #1 pick, but for the time being, he has the benefit of the doubt (for me anyways).

Grasping for straws on this one? This is hardly applicable to your scenario.

^Too many other factors to consider IMO.

The **** it's not.

Tyson Jackson was drafted with the 3rd overall pick and given 57 million dollars. He was drafted and paid like a player who should be a franchise cornerstone, not a one-dimensional defensive end.

By all means, if you want to finish 2-14 continue to load up on top three picks like Tyson Jackson. Meanwhile, teams that actually win in the playoffs will take players who can give you that level of production in the 3rd-5th rounds.

For the level of investment, Tyson Jackson is a horrible ****ing player, just like for the level of investment Matt Cassel was a horrible ****ing player. If Cassel was given the league minimum and told to battle it out for the 3rd QB spot he's an asset. When he's your franchise player, you be ****ed.

The mere fact that this has to even be explained is absolutely flabbergasting.

You're spinning your wheels and are flat-out wrong. Your complaint is about the contract, not the play.

The reason your ass gets fired for spending $20 million on R&D is because you could have gotten the same return for 1/100 of the investment. It's not the product development that is at fault, it is the initial commitment to its research.

How are you this ****ing dumb?

Nice counterargument.

Thanks.