Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10011593)

There's a difference between forcing the ball into tight windows and throwing the ball into tight windows because you can.

We don't know which one Alex Smith is. He hasn't done anything like it yet in Kansas City

Originally Posted by Red Gorilla (Post 10011603)

I know he can when he has to. I saw him do it from our own five yard line on a 3rd and long situation last week. He had to make that throw at that point in the game. It was his most important throw since he's been a Chief.

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10011616)

How many 3rd and longs has he converted on? I know he had a huge one in the opening series against the cowboys and I think at least 3 vs. Philly. Those were pretty important too, if not game changing plays!

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10011593)

There's a difference between forcing the ball into tight windows and throwing the ball into tight windows because you can.

We don't know which one Alex Smith is. He hasn't done anything like it yet in Kansas City

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10011641)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDd19Bf2fM

That was cheesy..I know..but that was a sample of some throws that he has made in the past...

But just in case you say, well that was when he was a niner...

http://i.imgur.com/petK2hq.gif

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10011641)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDd19Bf2fM

That was cheesy..I know..but that was a sample of some throws that he has made in the past...

But just in case you say, well that was when he was a niner...

http://i.imgur.com/petK2hq.gif

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011171)

Don't take it personally SNR, it's just that some of the incessant whining going on about upgrading the QB position after three games into the 2013 season (games which have been won, by the way), is more than a little stupid all things considered.

The offensive line has been crap in both run blocking and pass protection.

The tight end situation, which is featured prominently in Reid's offense, is atrocious.

Our receiving corps outside of Bowe is miserable. (And defenses know this as Bowe has been double covered almost constantly since the opening whistle of game one.)

And, Andy Reid's west coast option offense is short to mid-field based. It's an offense that is based on ball control, field position, high percentage passing.

And yet, despite all of this, the Chiefs are still 3-0, with a lot of that to do with Smiths ability to direct and sustain timely drives.

3-0.

And yet I've read in this thread multiple times that we'll never be really successful in the playoffs unless we've got a guy like Matt Stafford.

Well, how about just getting to the ****ing playoffs? Do the negativists have any conceptualization about how ****ing bad the Chiefs have been with regard to even getting into the playoffs the past 20 years? And now you want to actually replace the QB who has only played three games with the team in a new system with the deficiencies listed above and still has the team at 3-0?!?!

Yeah, it makes one look reactionary and objectively ignorant to criticize him and call for his replacement already, especially because of . Hell, look at the San Fran fans who were happy as all hell to jettison Smith for Kaepernick. How's that working out for them so far in 2013?

Like I've said numerous times before, if you want to watch and root for a QB and team who love pushing it down the field, giving you that vertical game many so apparently yearn for, then the Detroit Lions would love you as a fan. Stafford to Johnson absolutely provides what the Smith antagonists desire.

Originally Posted by GOB (Post 10010460)

I just don't agree with this. Dinking and dunking is the key to winning championships. It's not the 35 yard bomb that wins championships, it's teams unable to stop your short yardage attack. Saw this comment and totally agree

"Have any critics of Alex Smith, be they in the Niner fanbase or nationally, noted the fact that Joe Montana didn't push the ball vertically either? Niner fans who trashed and still trash Smith have a phenomenally selective memory when it comes to Montana's limitations as a QB. And if you think I'm exaggerating, check out Montana's stats from his greatest season (1989). A lower percentage of his completions that season traveled at least 20 yards than did that of Smith last year. Montana's leading receiver in '89? Fullback Tom Rathman. I'll bet my house and my third testicle that of Rathman's 73 grabs, not one was caught more than 20 yards downfield. I'll bet my one of my wife's testicles that not a single one traveled beyond 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Yet, no one within the fanbase bitched or moaned about the fact that No. 16 dinked and dunked his way to 4 Super Bowls and the distinction of the greatest QB of his generation. While Smith wasn't Montana, he was evolving at the time of his concussion into a breathing embodiment of the West Coast quarterback that Bill Walsh and his system embraced. And the fans here—with nothing else to complain about Smith's game—rejected him, using the most prominent feature of the West Coast offense to further their criticism and abuse. Just shameful."

Lots of reasons for optimism. Not only is Smith perfect for Coac's offense, Jamaal Charles is as well. His full skills are finally being utilized. This is all without tight ends at full health,

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10011641)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDd19Bf2fM

That was cheesy..I know..but that was a sample of some throws that he has made in the past...

But just in case you say, well that was when he was a niner...

http://i.imgur.com/petK2hq.gif

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011171)

Don't take it personally SNR, it's just that some of the incessant whining going on about upgrading the QB position after three games into the 2013 season (games which have been won, by the way), is more than a little stupid all things considered.

The offensive line has been crap in both run blocking and pass protection.

The tight end situation, which is featured prominently in Reid's offense, is atrocious.

Our receiving corps outside of Bowe is miserable. (And defenses know this as Bowe has been double covered almost constantly since the opening whistle of game one.)

And, Andy Reid's west coast option offense is short to mid-field based. It's an offense that is based on ball control, field position, high percentage passing.

And yet, despite all of this, the Chiefs are still 3-0, with a lot of that to do with Smiths ability to direct and sustain timely drives.

3-0.

And yet I've read in this thread multiple times that we'll never be really successful in the playoffs unless we've got a guy like Matt Stafford.

Well, how about just getting to the ****ing playoffs? Do the negativists have any conceptualization about how ****ing bad the Chiefs have been with regard to even getting into the playoffs the past 20 years? And now you want to actually replace the QB who has only played three games with the team in a new system with the deficiencies listed above and still has the team at 3-0?!?!

Yeah, it makes one look reactionary and objectively ignorant to criticize him and call for his replacement already, especially because of . Hell, look at the San Fran fans who were happy as all hell to jettison Smith for Kaepernick. How's that working out for them so far in 2013?

Like I've said numerous times before, if you want to watch and root for a QB and team who love pushing it down the field, giving you that vertical game many so apparently yearn for, then the Detroit Lions would love you as a fan. Stafford to Johnson absolutely provides what the Smith antagonists desire.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011804)

I want to see MORE of that stuff. You see some of the plays Smith can make and know he is physically capable of making them. But he doesn't do it consistently. His offense stalls out a lot because of it.

It's what I'm waiting to see. I want to see that QB more, and the timid guy who won't throw to guys unless they're WIDE WIDE open (or unless his back is against the wall) far less.

People should not get so offended that not everybody believes he can just turn that switch on and off at will.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10011593)

There's a difference between forcing the ball into tight windows and throwing the ball into tight windows because you can.

We don't know which one Alex Smith is. He hasn't done anything like it yet in Kansas City

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011827)

Look man, there's a difference between WANTING to replace him and saying "I'd replace him if..."

I'm open to Alex Smith as the long-term QB here IF he is more aggressive and the offense progresses more under him. IF he overcomes some of the hyper-conservative tendencies that hold him back in a lot of spots.

I want them to look at an upgrade IF he doesn't improve. IF he continues to be what he has been so far this year and in the past 2 years. Because that really isn't good enough in most years to get to the ultimate prize. So why tie long term to a guy like that?

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10011837)

I thought the TD to Hemingway was in a tight window. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011856)

I'm sorry but I can't equate Smith's record of 22-5-1 as a starter over the past three years with your mindset of "holding him back."

And in terms of upgrade, tell me who you think would upgrade that 22-5-1 record?

It's about results, not trying to impress Jimmy Joe Six-pack Fan with 50 yard bombs.

And 22-5-1 and what should have been a Super Bowl appearance in 2011 if not for TWO special teams fumbles is the ultimate prize.

I fail to see where you are being objective about this versus superfluous. You want fancy downfield passing. Reid wants wins via a controlled offense. Reid went out and got the guy who absolutely fits his system and can execute it to a "T." And wins gets you into the playoffs, which allows you a shot at the ultimate prize.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011856)

I'm sorry but I can't equate Smith's record of 22-5-1 as a starter over the past three years with your mindset of "holding him back."

And in terms of upgrade, tell me who you think would upgrade that 22-5-1 record?

It's about results, not trying to impress Jimmy Joe Six-pack Fan with 50 yard bombs.

And 22-5-1 and what should have been a Super Bowl appearance in 2011 if not for TWO special teams fumbles is the ultimate prize.

I fail to see where you are being objective about this versus superfluous. You want fancy downfield passing. Reid wants wins via a controlled offense. Reid went out and got the guy who absolutely fits his system and can execute it to a "T." And wins gets you into the playoffs, which allows you a shot at the ultimate prize.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011832)

He makes them when he has to make them.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011804)

I want to see MORE of that stuff. You see some of the plays Smith can make and know he is physically capable of making them. But he doesn't do it consistently. His offense stalls out a lot because of it.

It's what I'm waiting to see. I want to see that QB more, and the timid guy who won't throw to guys unless they're WIDE WIDE open (or unless his back is against the wall) far less.

People should not get so offended that not everybody believes he can just turn that switch on and off at will.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011906)

Like on January 22, 2011? How often did he make them then?

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011832)

He makes them when he has to make them.

Why force balls into coverage when it's not needed?

It's something that I like to call calculated efficiency. I use the term at work all the time in order to help people understand that sometimes doing more doesn't equate to doing better. Do the best that you can as it relates to the situation at hand and it usually ends up being the correct thing every single time.

In Smith's case, if it's not required, why potentially put the defense and special teams in a bad situation? The answer is - you don't, you shouldn't. With the offense controlling the time of possession and allowing the special teams keeping the field position battle decisively in favor of the Chiefs, it allows the defense to play ultra-aggressive on a short field. That has netted the Chiefs a substantial increase in sacks, QB pressures, turnovers, etc., which has, in turn, allowed the Chiefs offense to play a relatively pressure free, conservative, ball control type of game that, in a turn upon a turn, keeps special teams in a good position to control the field and the defense fresh so that they can continue to apply aggressive pressure for the entire game.

It's about utilizing all three aspects of the football team in order to create a synergistic, homogenized blend of total team football. That's what wins games - making sure that all three aspects are playing to their potential and utilizing their strengths appropriately.

Calculated efficiency.

And it's got the Chiefs 3-0.

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10011939)

Is detergent flammable?

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011934)

You know what I need to see:

1. Wins

which equate to

2. Playoff appearances

As long as the team wins, I don't give a rat's fart how it happens.

And all I know is that this team is 3-0.

And anyone who is bitching about QB play on a team that's 3-0 after going through what was unquestionably the worst decade ever in the team's history can get crucified on an aids tree, have diesel and detergent poured all over them and then get lit on fire.

Especially QB play behind a ****ing horribly performing offensive line after suffering for a decade of QB's whipping into the fetal position when they thought that they heard footsteps.

Seriously...if you are "anxious" about what Smith has provided thus far, you need to take a ****ing Xanax with a bottle of wine and chill the **** out and just enjoy the wins. For once.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011906)

Like on January 22, 2011? How often did he make them then?

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10011973)

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011955)

Wins are great. Until it comes crashing down in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10011973)

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011994)

As a Chiefs fan, how the hell would you know this?

So, you are equating the dynamic offenses/slap dick defenses of Dick Vermeil's Chiefs with what you are currently seeing out of Reid/Smith's Chiefs a decade ago?

Or is it the Shottenheimer Okoye/Word three yards and a cloud of dust and very good defense teams that you are channeling here?

I don't see anything remotely similar to either Shottenheimer's teams or Vermeil's teams in this current incarnation of the Chiefs. It's not the RRP uber-predictibility of Marty's squads or the defensive travesties of Pappy Dick's.

While in their infancy of the Reid/Smith dynasty, they have shown the ability to be diverse in the passing game (Smith has absolutely no problem going through his progressions and getting the ball into the hands of multiple targets), the running game where they are incorporating pistol formations, read options, etc., and the defense has been aggressive and opportunistic.

And given that Smith, for the first three games of the regular season, has had to operate behind a sieve of an offensive line with no tight ends and receivers, I think he's done a masterful job, especially in comparison to the previous Chiefs QB's as well as current QB's around the league. (Go watch Eli operate behind a line that is just as porous as the Chiefs with better receivers and see if you like that level of performance more than what you are getting from Alex Smith.)



Well, that is your prerogative, but I believe that it's Smith's style of play that will allow this team to be successful in the playoffs - that Smith will give something to the Chiefs franchise and fanbase that hasn't happened in over two decades - a playoff win.

And I really think that you are being delusionally myopic in your targeting of Smith, especially this early in the season coupled with the problems he's been dealing with on offense that I have previously mentioned. This is a team that is coming off a 2-14 season less than a year ago. A team with an entirely new coaching staff, 32 new players and a very young core group. And yet you want to see more of Smith after three games before you think this team is built for playoff success, despite his 22-5-1 record as a starter over the past three years and appearance in the NFC championship game?

That's a bit ****ing nuts, don't you think?

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10011973)

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10011994)

That's a bit ****ing nuts, don't you think?

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10012048)

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10012048)

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10012040)

I grew up in the 90s watching game manager QBs piss things away in the playoffs. A game manager is a game manager until proven otherwise, in my mind, and that's not good enough to win in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 10012057)

One of these things is not like the other.....ROFL

Originally Posted by bshmerlie (Post 10012232)

Everybody loves to talk about the short commings of Alex Smith. Well, every QB has flaws...but what do we care. He's winning games.

Originally Posted by bshmerlie (Post 10012232)

Everybody loves to talk about the short commings of Alex Smith. Well, every QB has flaws...but what do we care. He's winning games. He's brought a winning atmosphere to a team that was in desparate need of such a feeling. Did you guys not see the "celebration in the locker room" video after the Eagles game? This team hasn't been that hopeful of great season in How many years? Everybody stop your bitching and enjoy the ride. He is the best QB available to lead this team. I don't know about you guys but I don't know of any better QBs available that we turned away. The GM and the coaches are putting the best players available that can fill their roster. Alex Smith was that guy. They had the first pick in the 2012 draft and did not feel any of the available QBs could help them win right now. This team actually has a lot of talent on it. If you start with a questionable rookie it could take 2-4 years to develop him and by that time you could lose your other talent to free agency. That is assuming the rookie would even work out. If we turned away Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady then I would be the first to agree with you...but we didn't. As fans of the Kansas City Chiefs lets give our support to our quarter back. He's had enough years of the fan base asking for his head. He hasn't done anything but win for the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10012267)

wut

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10010889)

NOPE. If you say anything critical about Alex Smith, you hate winning, the Chiefs, and their 3-0 start!!!!!

Originally Posted by bshmerlie (Post 10012275)

Come on...If you are a one word kind of guy can you at least spell that word correctly please.

Uhhh....wut ....are you refering to? :)

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10012302)

This.

You know what? I believe I'll keep on doubting Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012335)

Keep it up Chuckles...

And when Reid looks at the 2013 season in hindsight and he and Dorsey decide that this team needs to better protect Smith and Charles, you will rejoice when the name

Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State

is announced as the Chiefs 2014 first round draft selection.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10010889)

NOPE. If you say anything critical about Alex Smith, you hate winning, the Chiefs, and their 3-0 start!!!!!

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10011641)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDd19Bf2fM

That was cheesy..I know..but that was a sample of some throws that he has made in the past...

But just in case you say, well that was when he was a niner...

http://i.imgur.com/petK2hq.gif

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10011804)

People should not get so offended that not everybody believes he can just turn that switch on and off at will.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10012993)

Pam Oliver's Foreskin and Sweet Daddy Fellate hereby sentenced to;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock...ckwork_big.jpg

Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10011973)

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 10012057)

One of these things is not like the other.....ROFL

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10013068)

I remember graphs similar to this in the 90s with Steve Bono's name at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10013068)

I remember graphs similar to this in the 90s with Steve Bono's name at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10013027)

You dumbass. Who do you think made that GIF?

I've been giving credit to Alex for elevating his game in the 4th for 4 days now.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10013068)

I remember graphs similar to this in the 90s with Steve Bono's name at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10013105)

Comparing Smith to Bono is about as learned as comparing him to Cassel.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10013085)

Through 3 games, smith has been the exact type of qb you said you wanted. Don't care about big yards, but makes plays when he has to.

Right?

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10013105)

Comparing Smith to Bono is about as learned as comparing him to Cassel.

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10012881)

Being critical is fine. It's the constant whining and blatantly obsessive man-hate for the guy that's concerning, especially when he has yet to put up a complete stinker/multi-INT/loss game.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10013105)

Comparing Smith to Bono is about as learned as comparing him to Cassel.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10013307)

Art thou mad?

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10012302)

This.

You know what? I believe I'll keep on doubting Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10013074)

Actually two, neither Ryan nor Schaub have appeared in a Conference Championship

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10013107)

They have at least one thing in common - they've both been carried by their defense.

Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 10001150)

You bastard. You couldn't let me have my thread, you had steal my thunder.

I watched the game with gochiefs and DRU last night. ACTUAL quotes from gochiefs during the game:

During a play gochiefs encourages Smith to check down - "Throw it to Charles!"

"Smith has been the only good thing about this offense tonight..... I'm serious."

"White chocolate penis, FTW!"

There is one more that is escaping me at the moment, hopefully it comes back to me later. But yeah, if there was ever any doubt as to just how much he trolls this board, it should now be gone.

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 10014534)

Interesting graphic from ESPN on "clutch QB's"

http://i.imgur.com/bnqZLAd.jpg?1

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

The key wording here is "in my mind." Smith has won in the playoffs. And the term "game manager" is being used with way too much negative connotation around here.

You remember what Dan Marino's playoff record was during the same time your '90's Chiefs were game managing the playoffs away?

What's Peyton Manning's playoff record? Is he a game manager?

Or were guys like Joe Montana and Troy Aikman game managers? Neither had huge arms, played to within their respective systems and used a controlled, focused offense to win a whole lot of playoff games.

I'm kind of curious as to what is the correct definition of a "game manager" and what QB's fall into that category and why.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

It has a great deal of relevance considering that Smith took the 49'ers to the NFC championship game in 2011 and should have been in the Superbowl if not for a blunder on special teams. That's more playoff wins than the Chiefs have seen since Montana was their QB.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

Yeah, and just how did those standards stay in place over the past 20 years? How the hell did you stay a Chiefs fan and then why are you happy pissing all over Smith after he starts this team 3-0 in his first year with the team in a brand new system? I'm sorry, but it reeks of hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

You aren't open to the idea. You totally are discounting Smith's record as a starter the past three years, Reid's record as a coach in the playoffs, etc. You've already stated that Smith should be looked to be replaced if he continues performing at the level he has the past three years - a level that has netted him the highest winning percentage among all active NFL QB's.

Excatly my point. 22-5-1. .803 winning percentage. NFC championship game. 3-0 as a starter on a team that was the worst in football last season, etc. And you are bitching about his shortcomings, questioning his ability to lead, etc.

You see what I'm saying here?

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

Did he win the game? There you go.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

Frankly, I wouldn't care. I graduated from KU.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10012148)

All I know is that he's played very well when he hasn't been the victim of injuries (the shoulder deal was on the doctor) or horrible head coaching and that he's 3-0 as the starting QB of the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10013107)

They have at least one thing in common - they've both been carried by their defense.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10014655)

So in your mind Alex Smith is Troy Aikman/Joe Montana? OK.

I don't think there is a "correct" definition of game manager. It's kind of like obscenity. You know it when you see it. Common traits of a game manager include being risk-adverse, always choosing safe throws, relying heavily on defense and running game.



Factually correct. I think we both understand each other's opinion regarding the 2011 season and Alex Smith's performance there. You give him a lot more credit than I do. (And I actually watched that team a lot, because of Aldon Smith).


I finally told Lucy to go **** herself, I wasn't kicking the football this time. She's going to need to put that thing on a tee and go stand on the porch while I kick it.

I stayed a Chiefs fan because that's what you do. Fandom becomes cheap if you bounce from team to team because your team isn't winning. That's my dad's influence.

I'm not pissing all over Alex Smith. Taking a wait-and-see and want-to-see-more approach to him before I BELIEVE in him as the Chiefs long-term QB is not pissing all over him.




Smith has an awesome winning percentage of late. He also has been paired with great (in some cases, surprisingly so) defenses and strong (at least in San Francisco) running games.

I don't question that Alex Smith can win games in the regular season. If he's paired with a top 5 defense, he can a lot of them. We've seen a lot of Chiefs QBs win a lot of games with those

I question his ability to lead a team to victory in the playoffs against other elite squads, that have stronger play at the QB position. The Saints win is not enough to convince me in that regard (the playoff loss to the Giants is much more damning than the Saints win is praising, IMO). I want them to look at upgrading if he doesn't raise his play and show he can consistently make the big-time plays (over the course of an entire game) a QB often has to make to win playoff games. If he does (what I honestly hope for but don't BELIEVE yet), there is no need to upgrade.


Entirely a preemptive strike.



Your love of and focus on players from the state of Utah is not exactly a secret around here. I think that creeps in with Alex Smith.


3-0 is great. It's exciting. But I'm not going to excuse myself for tempering some excitement and having some concerns and questions about the way the ride ends.

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10014766)

I think you've changed your argument as time as gone on. You pretty much pooed on the acquisition of Alex Smith since it happened because like most Chiefs fans you wanted to draft our franchise QB. Now suddenly it's tempered excitement.

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 10014534)

Interesting graphic from ESPN on "clutch QB's"

ESPN Graphic

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10014655)

I don't question that Alex Smith can win games in the regular season. If he's paired with a top 5 defense, he can a lot of them. We've seen a lot of Chiefs QBs win a lot of games with those

I question his ability to lead a team to victory in the playoffs against other elite squads, that have stronger play at the QB position. The Saints win is not enough to convince me in that regard (the playoff loss to the Giants is much more damning than the Saints win is praising, IMO). I want them to look at upgrading if he doesn't raise his play and show he can consistently make the big-time plays (over the course of an entire game) a QB often has to make to win playoff games. If he does (what I honestly hope for but don't BELIEVE yet), there is no need to upgrade.

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10015154)

Out of curiousity, why do you feel the Giants game has more weight?

Originally Posted by VONDIPSHIT (Post 10016061)

Alex Smith is awesome playing captain checkdown.