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Mav 12-15-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10281987)
that is stretching it, because Charles has been the constant badass even before Alex.

Disagree.

If Alex Smith leads him too much on that pass, he gets destroyed.

Now, Alex does not make a ton of throws well, but the WHEEL, that is his bread and butter.

The throw was as important as the catch and run.

Mr. Laz 12-15-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10281954)
and Jamaal is our offense like any other year

no doubt that Charles is our key piece on offense but Alex Smith hasn't fallen apart without elite talent surrounding him like he suggested.

2,800 passing, 380 rushing, 60% completion

all after playing martyball for 8/9 games to start the season


everyone wants an elite QB, but we could do a lot worse than Alex Smith while waiting to find ours.

ROYC75 12-15-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10281936)
So, the team stands 11-3, tied with the best record in the NFL and has clinched a playoff berth with two games remaining in the season.

What elite talent do we have surrounding Smith that has led the team to this record? (Now, I would hate to bring up the oft-stated opinion that the QB is the most important position on the field and determines the overall success of the team more often than not, but...)

Charles is elite. Other than that, who do we have?

We have not won anything yet except a bunch of games. Games that when our offense was still vanilla and out of sync. Games that were won by the defense against bad teams or teams lacking quality QB's, games won by a weak schedule.

Let's not anoint someone that has not produced a 300 yard passing game this season. Let's not anoint someone that is not called upon many times over to win us a game when the situation has not been called upon that often.

Alex has not warranted an extensions yet. He has played well in year # 1 when we do not have that elite talent around him, games we have won because of other circumstances.

Alex is what I knew he was, a good QB, not bad, not elite.

GordonGekko 12-15-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10281987)
that is stretching it, because Charles has been the constant badass even before Alex.

I agree with this. Not sure what kind of response you want me to give?

Mav 12-15-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10281997)
no doubt that Charles is our key piece on offense but Alex Smith hasn't fallen apart without elite talent surrounding him like he suggested.

2,800 passing, 380 rushing, 60% completion

all after playing martyball for 8/9 games to start the season


everyone wants an elite QB, but we could do a lot worse than Alex Smith while waiting to find ours.

hmmm, more like 3100 yards. that wasn't including todays.

JohnnyV13 12-15-2013 07:54 PM

The season isn't over. Let's see how he does in the playoffs.

Red Beans 12-15-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10281997)
no doubt that Charles is our key piece on offense but Alex Smith hasn't fallen apart without elite talent surrounding him like he suggested.

2,800 passing, 380 rushing, 60% completion

all after playing martyball for 8/9 games to start the season


everyone wants an elite QB, but we could do a lot worse than Alex Smith while waiting to find ours.

As much as I hate to agree...but this is correct.

Tribal Warfare 12-15-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10281997)
no doubt that Charles is our key piece on offense but Alex Smith hasn't fallen apart without elite talent surrounding him like he suggested.

2,800 passing, 380 rushing, 60% completion

all after playing martyball for 8/9 games to start the season


everyone wants an elite QB, but we could do a lot worse than Alex Smith while waiting to find ours.

We also haven't played a great pass defense either

Cannibal 12-15-2013 07:54 PM

Smith is gaining confidence. Reid is so good at getting good play from the position.

I wish we could have seen more of those HB screens earlier in the year.

Anyong Bluth 12-15-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10281966)
and, that's BAD?

I have yet to ever understand why Charles being the best player on the planet is such a bad thing. Why shouldn't the Chiefs get the ball in his hands as much as possible?

That Mike Jordan. Shoots too much, always wanting the ball. :what:

Mr. Laz 12-15-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10282007)
We also haven't played a great pass defense either

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Eleazar 12-15-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10282007)
We also haven't played a great pass defense either

We're 14 games into the season, are we still going week to week saying "well, X will be the true test"?

ROYC75 12-15-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10281950)
umm ... the talent around Alex Smith is not even close to elite right now.

no real #1 WR
no real #1 TE
due to injury - starting a street FA at TE in a scheme that relies on the TE's
youngest Oline in the NFL
WR having a bad case of the dropsies most of the year
1st year scheme
1st year coaching staff

Jamaal Charles is the only thing Elite around Alex Smith right now and we are winning.

This is what I am saying. This years wins is not really by him alone. We have because of other reasons, not on the heels of Alex Smith.

At the same time, we have not lost games because of Alex Smith either, he's good, not bad and not elite. If we had to rely all the time on him to win games, I do not think we would win often enough to compete.

Down4Chiefs 12-15-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10281838)
He's not in Trent's stratosphere

you give Alex and just about any QB the amount of time Trent had back there and they look pretty damn good. Just look at when the chiefs spent a few seasons giving QB's career days and starter jobs lol.

GordonGekko 12-15-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 10282004)
The season isn't over. Let's see how THE CHIEFS do in the playoffs.

FYP

Saccopoo 12-15-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 10282031)
FYP

Still waiting...

Mav 12-15-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10282029)
This is what I am saying. This years wins is not really by him alone. We have because of other reasons, not on the heels of Alex Smith.

At the same time, we have not lost games because of Alex Smith either, he's good, not bad and not elite. If we had to rely all the time on him to win games, I do not think we would win often enough to compete.

See, that's a fair point the first 9 games of the season.

The last 5 though, alex has had a huge hand in keeping the Chiefs competitive against good teams, and he was instrumental today in capitalizing on Raiders mistakes, and turning turnovers into points. At one point, the Chiefs were up by only 4 points, and that's when a lot of people in the game day thread, were calling a 3 and out, and Alex executed.

If you cant say that Alex is a cause of victories these past two weeks, and a big reason they had a chance in the two Denver and San Diego games, im not sure that you are being very honest.

the chiefs have stopped no one really since the Cleveland game.

Anyong Bluth 12-15-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10282007)
We also haven't played a great pass defense either



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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10282020)
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We also haven't played indoors all season, nor will we, until possibly the playoffs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't Tennessee have a very good secondary with two Pro Bowl caliber Corners?

ChiefsCountry 12-15-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10282022)
We're 14 games into the season, are we still going week to week saying "well, X will be the true test"?

Well the playoffs are the true test.

GordonGekko 12-15-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10282037)
Still waiting...

I've already answered your inquiry, if my answer wasn't acceptable to you I don't give a shit. I'm not going to keep answering your questions. You already said the past is over so who gives a shit. You were called out almost immediately by several posters for being a hypocrite, information that I wasn't even aware of. Again, F*** off.

Down4Chiefs 12-15-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 10281657)
He is doing for us this year what we need him to do.....play effective no-TO football that makes sure we are in the game.

I don't care if he is/isn't a great QB.....I just want him to be a good and effective leader.

I think Charles is great, but without a good QB you go nowhere. All you have to do to see a comparison is Barry Sander's career.

right,Alex offers what is awful hard to come by in the NFL at QB and that's consistency. I love just having that at the QB position,if this defense can pull itself out the gutter we would be superbowl favorites. I think we saw what ALex could do when Andy finally took the chains off and started to air it out.

ROYC75 12-15-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10282044)
See, that's a fair point the first 9 games of the season.

The last 5 though, alex has had a huge hand in keeping the Chiefs competitive against good teams, and he was instrumental today in capitalizing on Raiders mistakes, and turning turnovers into points. At one point, the Chiefs were up by only 4 points, and that's when a lot of people in the game day thread, were calling a 3 and out, and Alex executed.

If you cant say that Alex is a cause of victories these past two weeks, and a big reason they had a chance in the two Denver and San Diego games, im not sure that you are being very honest.

the chiefs have stopped no one really since the Cleveland game.


I have not said anything like this. I said he has not been called upon to win any games consistently.

He has done just what he has done all year, not lose them. Play calling and plays executing has more to do with the offense now than AS does. To me, Alex has done this pretty much all year, players were not executing to help him look better.

To be fair, our play calling as well as not executing was the biggest reason we sucked for 9 weeks.

Saccopoo 12-15-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 10282052)
I've already answered your inquiry, if my answer wasn't acceptable to you I don't give a shit. I'm not going to keep answering your questions. You already said the past is over so who gives a shit. You were called out almost immediately by several posters for being a hypocrite, information that I wasn't even aware of. Again, F*** off.

No, you haven't. You haven't answered jack shit.

Geno Smith and the 2013 Draft is past history. And I am completely on record wanting the team to draft Geno Smith. Before they signed Alex Smith. That's not hypocritic. Not even close. Don't be so stupid.

However, you are continuing to bag on Smith. As I've stated, I want to know who you think will be better in either the 2014 Draft or Free Agency than what Smith offers this team.

But, like others, you can't come up with anything, can you?

But you and others continue to bag on Smith without offering up any alternatives. That's disingenuous and stupid.

Either state who you think we should draft or sign that will offer improvements over what Smith offers, or shut the **** up with the constant negativity and stupidity. That's easy enough, right?

GordonGekko 12-15-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10282147)
No, you haven't. You haven't answered jack shit.

Geno Smith and the 2013 Draft is past history. And I am completely on record wanting the team to draft Geno Smith. Before they signed Alex Smith. That's not hypocritic. Not even close. Don't be so stupid.

However, you are continuing to bag on Smith. As I've stated, I want to know who you think will be better in either the 2014 Draft or Free Agency than what Smith offers this team.

But, like others, you can't come up with anything, can you?

But you and others continue to bag on Smith without offering up any alternatives. That's disingenuous and stupid.

Either state who you think we should draft or sign that will offer improvements over what Smith offers, or shut the **** up with the constant negativity and stupidity. That's easy enough, right?

Yeah well I guess don't hold your breath.

laughsatyou907 12-15-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10282127)
I have not said anything like this. I said he has not been called upon to win any games consistently.

He has done just what he has done all year, not lose them. Play calling and plays executing has more to do with the offense now than AS does. To me, Alex has done this pretty much all year, players were not executing to help him look better.

To be fair, our play calling as well as not executing was the biggest reason we sucked for 9 weeks.

That is a cop out and literally the most generic response of everyone that eats crow but refuses to give credit where it is due. Thanks for restating it for the billionth time as if it was derived from your own keen insight. :clap:

Mr. Laz 12-15-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10282029)
This is what I am saying. This years wins is not really by him alone. We have because of other reasons, not on the heels of Alex Smith.

At the same time, we have not lost games because of Alex Smith either, he's good, not bad and not elite. If we had to rely all the time on him to win games, I do not think we would win often enough to compete.

fair enough

i misunderstood

rockachalk 12-15-2013 09:04 PM

His play has gotten MUCH better. I think he gives es us the best shot at winning over the next 3-5 seasons.

Mr_Tomahawk 12-15-2013 09:14 PM

Eh...I really want to see Bray in there in a couple of seasons.

GordonGekko 12-15-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10282326)
Eh...I really want to see Bray in there in a couple of seasons.

If Bray is on the roster next year that would be a huge accomplishment for him. Projecting him as starter out 3+ seasons after AS is asking the world.

Jakemall 12-16-2013 11:50 AM

Safe to say he gets an extention. Terms are the only question. I think that is still tbd. I don't think Alex will look to empty the coffers even if the chiefs win the super bowl. I expect a modest contact that puts him in the middle of the road for qbs to top 10 ish.

Halfcan 12-16-2013 12:01 PM

I was one of the first on the Alex Bad Ass Smith bandwagon-but yes he almost lost me a few times this year-mostly the Denver games.

He played perfect yesterday and probably set himself up for a top 5 qb contract if we win out and win at least one game in the Playoffs.

BossChief 12-16-2013 12:11 PM

My only true reservation with Alex getting an extension is the amount.

Andy Reid gave Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract.

Does anyone think Alex is gonna get less?

Halfcan 12-16-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10283917)
My only true reservation with Alex getting an extension is the amount.

Andy Reid gave Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract.

Does anyone think Alex is gonna get less?

What if we win out the rest of the year and he helps bring home a Championship? Would you care if they gave him flacco money?

No one can doubt we are a playoff caliber team. We are a handful of bad plays/ penalties/ drop passes away from being undefeated.

Lets hope they keep it rolling!

HolyHat 12-16-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10270075)
Bray

I love when you get up in it.

HolyHat 12-16-2013 12:37 PM

This thread kneads a pole

okcchief 12-16-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10283917)
My only true reservation with Alex getting an extension is the amount.

Andy Reid gave Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract.

Does anyone think Alex is gonna get less?

Unless he wins a SuperBowl that better not happen. If he wins a Superbowl I could give 2 shits less.

We are most likely winning one playoff game tops. If that is the case the smart move is to see how 2014 pans out. I'm happy with how Alex has played, and believe the oline and receivers are more of a problem than him. I'm still not ready to hitch my wagon to him until we see more. There is just no reason to do it.

bshmerlie 12-17-2013 06:51 AM

I'll take the bird in the hand. We know what kind of team we are with Alex Smith....a playoff team. He's still young....lock him up and work on improving the team around him. He's not going to ask for Flacco money. He understands its a team sport and a lot of other guys will need to be paid too in order for us to stay competitive. Alex Smith is not after the money. More than anything he wants to be part of a winning team.

CoMoChief 12-17-2013 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bshmerlie (Post 10286682)
I'll take the bird in the hand. We know what kind of team we are with Alex Smith....a playoff team. He's still young....lock him up and work on improving the team around him. He's not going to ask for Flacco money. He understands its a team sport and a lot of other guys will need to be paid too in order for us to stay competitive. Alex Smith is not after the money. More than anything he wants to be part of a winning team.

Is this just a hunch? ROFL

Mav 12-17-2013 07:57 AM

He's not going to get a max contact. Why? Because it's nit a priority for alex Smith

ROYC75 12-17-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10283929)
What if we win out the rest of the year and he helps bring home a Championship? Would you care if they gave him flacco money?

No one can doubt we are a playoff caliber team. We are a handful of bad plays/ penalties/ drop passes away from being undefeated.

Lets hope they keep it rolling!

The reverse side of this is we are a handful of bad plays/ penalties/ drop passes away from being 9-6 or 8-7 too.

We just are not where we need to be as a team with AS carrying the load of a 11-3 team.

ROYC75 12-17-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by laughsatyou907 (Post 10282172)
That is a cop out and literally the most generic response of everyone that eats crow but refuses to give credit where it is due. Thanks for restating it for the billionth time as if it was derived from your own keen insight. :clap:


Thanks for playing, you proved to us you were not born yesterday. It took several days, weeks, months for you to come to complete idiocy.

ROYC75 12-17-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10282044)
See, that's a fair point the first 9 games of the season.

The last 5 though, alex has had a huge hand in keeping the Chiefs competitive against good teams, and he was instrumental today in capitalizing on Raiders mistakes, and turning turnovers into points. At one point, the Chiefs were up by only 4 points, and that's when a lot of people in the game day thread, were calling a 3 and out, and Alex executed.

If you cant say that Alex is a cause of victories these past two weeks, and a big reason they had a chance in the two Denver and San Diego games, im not sure that you are being very honest.

the chiefs have stopped no one really since the Cleveland game.

Let's see here, what has Alex done so well that you can say he was the cause for us winning?

He beat a team that was after his ass with a big time pass rush all game and the final minutes ? Uh, no. AS had plenty of time to throw and did what he was suppose to do, hit open receivers and not turn it over.

Did he run a lot to sustain drives ? NO, had a couple of good heads up plays here and there.

Win games when it was on the line ? NO, 2 blow out games by getting TO's, return game, etc.

Excellent job AS, you can propel the ST's and D to score TD's!

Just face it, AS is what we need him to be, a good QB, nothing elite and far from bad as many people perceived him to be over the past several years on a bad team.

Mav 12-17-2013 10:01 AM

Royc..... You nailed it. He is whatever the chiefs need him to be. What more can anyone ask of him? See room or Stafford if you don't understand my point.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-17-2013 10:18 AM

He's helped keep us in every game this year. All the blowouts from the Pissoli era are in the rear view mirror.

hometeam 12-17-2013 10:21 AM

How many times have QB's walked away from the team they lead, becuase they played out the contract they had?

Seriously, does anyone know?

I just don't see it happening. Let him play the damn contract out.


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