OU isn't bad, but I think KU is probably 10-15 points better at home than they are on the road.

Really, just win the games you should, beat pesky KSU, Baylor on the road and finish it off.

It's not a deception if you were actually fouled. If you're deceiving, by definition, you're trying to convince someone else of something that isn't true (like being fouled). If you were actually fouled, it can't be a deception.

Also, players sometimes embellish out of frustration of a no-call. I can't blame a guy for getting frustrated. But he shouldn't benefit because of it. It's just far more tolerable and understandable than, say, getting all up on a guy and then pretending you got hit in the jaw by an elbow when you clearly weren't.

4 losses in this conference definitely wins it, I'd say. Maybe even 5. There's a ton of good teams (the only total pushover is TCU).

Ideally, the game of basketball would be one where objective officials were making objective calls. That's what the game aspires to be. But, as we all know from watching years of games at AFH (and reaping the benefits of it), there's a huge element of subjectivity to it at all. And until that goes away (if it ever will), I cannot blame a player for trying to embellish/fake a call to take advantage of that fact. Unfortunate or not, it's just a part of the game (and some players like Smart and the NBA players I named are far better than others at it). I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

dam straight

The refs were going to make a point with Embiid from the first second of the game.

tbh Today Embiid started 'flopping' a little out of self-defense

That would make it two weeks in a row....****ing pussy......
Runs his mouth and after two straight losses...He pulls a Keitzman.

I just don't play sports that way, and I expect others to do the same.

When I played sports competitively, I played them to win. And to me, that's all those guys are really trying to do.

I can't take solace in winning via cheating. It doesn't feel legitimate. And believe me, I've played soccer all my life, so I've won more than a couple of games because one of our strikers took a dive. Still doesn't sit well with me. I don't feel like we really won those games.

I'm gonna go ahead and leave this here...
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And this is why Marcus Smart is a bitch.

I just finished watching the game on dvr.......didnt realize Marcus Smart went to Vlade Divac's flopping camp over the summer!

Holy sh*t what a b*tch!

Yup. I didn't get to start the game on my DVR until it was about 3/4 the way over. Smart is a great player. But I can't stand that flopping bullshit. That makes him a bitch, IMO.

I remember getting a lot of shit from KU fans about calling Smart a bitch in the KU repository thread.

What do you all think now?

Well said, couldn't of said it better. I won't blame him for trying to sell anything.

I didn't get to watch the game, and forgot to DVR it.

Can someone give me a quick summary? Who played well, who didn't, etc.

KU jumped out to a big lead in the first half. OK state came out hot from 3 second half. Embiid and Tharpe played tremendously.

Perry and Wiggins not so much.

Winning while those two had off games speaks volumes about this team.

It's illegal to throw the elbow regardless if it connects or not. Our fans need to learn the rules.

Very true. When everyone is clicking on a given night, they will be damn near impossible to beat. Trying not to let my homer show but I'm excited about the rest of the season.

Phog has a funny thread with pics of Marcus Smart.

http://i.imgur.com/X93x1jF.jpg

I think the fact that CoMo holds this opinion says all you really need to know on this issue.

You're gonna have to show me that rule and exactly what "throwing an elbow" entails.

You can make a basketball move as long as you are not intending to use the elbows to clear space. In other words, he can make that move if the intent of the move is to facilitate another basketball move (i.e., a drive to the left side of the player). Notice how the ball is moving in a circle out away from the player where the elbows are.

What you cannot do is use your elbows to clear space from the defender. So, if he was not intending to make a basketball move (i.e., just stand his spot), then its a foul considered to be "throwing an elbow". The basketball would be closer to the body and the elbows would protrude out.

Of course, if the elbow connects on either situation, its a foul regardless.

Wow, Gotliebb is a real partial whiny bitch. I remember the days in broadcast journalism (real journalism and broadcast journalism are dead now, even the sports variety) when it was bad to show your allegiance if you had any. I know some networks still go by it to a degree (the color analysts not making a prediction on a game that they're calling for example) but it's nuts. I know Gotliebb isn't a real journalist and his job isn't to be one, especially in the TMZ and A.D.H.D. generation of sports viewing, but show a little bit of professionalism. He was the same way in his playing days at OSU (1-4 record against us by the way), just a bitch. I just didn't know how bitchy he was until I went through his tweets damn. He comes off as psycho too because he'll be like KU is good and compliment them in one breath then be like OMG NOT COOLZ REFS ARE PAID BY TEH BILL SELF. I think he tries to be as professional as a former athlete doing this as he can. Most of them are terrible but there are some that are naturals. It baffles my mind that some of these guys who played the game and really know it like the back of their hand but they can't explain it to you or break it down. Gotliebb isn't one of those though.

I've always got angry at the stupid James Harden head snap EVERY SINGLE TIME he goes into the lane. Even when he was on the Thunder, and I'm a Thunder fan. There is a reason why the NBA is trying to fine and thinkg of new ways to combat this bullshit. It's because fans hate it. You are right, it does go on more in the NBA, but I honestly have rarely seen it more prevalent with a player than Marcus Smart.

Here's what I propose. You can't review every play for flopping. Would make the game too long and disrupt the flow of the game. What you can do is have a couple guys in the booth review every single play. Every flop, the player gets a foul. He'll be notified of it after every quarter in the NBA, every 10 minutes in the NCAA. That would stop idiots from doing it. Smart woulda fouled out at the 10minute mark of the 1st half if that type of thing was instituted. At some point you have to have pride for yourself and respect the game.

Not if it's a basketball move. You have to be able to clear the ball across your body, which is what Selden did. We just gonna make guys go around the back to shift the ball now? Can't do it across your body cuz poor Marcus Smart might get some chin music? Don't give me that bullshit.

I didn't see much of the game, and saw none if the second half. I was out to dinner last night, and a friend of mine said ku committed 2 fouls total in the second half. Is that correct?

That crap isn't part of any game. It's called embellishment and results in two minute minors in hockey and fines in the NBA. Once they start holding officials and players accountable the whole subjective\two faced whore flopping aspect of basketball changes.

Selden was clearing space. He made no move. It was a clear violation by Selden. The refs agreed and even checked the monitor. Our fans need to give this one up.

This is why they have monitors to review stuff like this. There is nothing to call here. same thing happened in the Kentucky game in there was no call yesterday. So its basically a dramatic flop.

Then why doesn't the defensive player get right up on the offensive player every time?

Christ, shut the **** up.


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I loved this no call.
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Must learn how to flop

Prison bitch will be here to defend this shortly

They cant overturn the call on the monitor, they can only determine if it was a flagrant 1 or 2, and they called it a 1.

They did in the kentucky game yesterday. Made a call clearly guy flopped. Called it a no call inbound tennessee .

Just stop.

Go watch the Kentucky, Tennessee game.

Punk.

holy shite ... dude really did take a right hook at his face


I saw it and forgot to go back and look at it again late


attempted knock out shot

I'll stop when your dumb ass reads the rules. You cannot swing the elbow regardless of connecting or not. Do you know how to read?

They would love to but it's not effective. See how easy it is to jump up on Wayne Selden and get in his face. He'll jet past you in the blink of an eye. With the contact rules it's even harder this year. This only happened because a) Smart was involved and b) Selden was effectively pinned by the sideline allowing no clearance.

They call the elbow foul all the time and everytime people get confused. They don't allow it, period.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time. Please just read and stop talking. It will do you some good. The rule is all dependent on CONTACT. There is no "He was swinging his elbows around" foul.


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Please stop embarrassing yourself

Ho-hum.

Prison bitch wrong, again.

Is anyone surprised?

So if this is the case then why in the TN KY game did they go to the monitor and reverse the call to a no contact no call? Anxiously awaiting your answer

I was waiting for his next stupid comment to throw that one out there. LMAO

It's because Perry Ellis blows ass and won't ever amount to anything.

4 Personal fouls and 2 technical fouls.....

Vegas now has KU as the favorite to win the national title at 4-1 odds.

Sure wish prison bitch would explain to me why the refs didnt charge the Tennessee player with a.flagrant foul and made it a no contact call upon.review.

I'd say I'm surprised; but this team has shown some serious intensity since conference play began.

Bill Self and the players always talk about their second season (conference play) being the most important; and I fully believe it. Bill knows that winning the B12 always sets up for fantastic tourney opportunities; and I shouldn't be surprised he got a bunch of young kids to buy in so early. But I am.

All hail HCBS.

Watching the Jayhawks turn the ball over...and over and over and over...was really hard to watch. They have to get that shit under control.

Yeah dude. I'd like to be as good as he is at coaching kids at ANYTHING

Yep.

We're incredibly lucky to have the guy, and no matter what he does in his career I have to believe I'll always feel that way. Just an exceptional coach on all levels.

KU always turns the ball over.

Still King.

He made no move because the ref blew the whistle reacting to Smart's reaction. Selden didn't lean towards him or lead with his elbows. I don't care. Its not important to me that Selden be vindicated, its over with. But, your interpretation is incorrect, the ref has lattitude in these situations where he didn't used to.

PB inexplicably chooses players to detest in every sport. We've seen this with Perry Ellis, Billy Butler, and several others over the past year. When this happens, PB will construct every strawman and nonsensical argument he can against these players.

Two weeks ago, PB openly claimed that he wished he could trade Selden for Marcus Foster and implied that Selden was a bust (this was a day before our game against Oklahoma).

His absolute belligerence in this discussion over Selden should come as no surprise.

He'll do what he always does.... make his stupid ass claims, get put in his place by multiple posters, then slink away to the realignment thread & DC thinking everyone will eventually forget.

I wont.... I will continue to ask him.

It's why I continue to bring up his "Perry Ellis is a piece of shit" & that he is the "worst basketball player" he has seen in 20+ years or something like that.

Keep bringing it up. He's a dumbass and if he hadn't been on the board for so long, I'd think this was his first year watching organized basketball.