If the playoff game is any indication, you've got Abdullah and Berry switched up in subsets.

According to Sorter that is.

But we all know how fickle he can be, all with his 3-3-7 sets and a

Seriously man, you're playing semantics. Conservative could easily be construed as cheap. You're trying to straddle the fence and it's obvious.

What was our cash spending this year? I don't remember ever seeing that.

It is embarrassing for a team to give up 35 ppg the 2nd half of the year with 7 pro bowl quality guys on defense.

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

:clap: Rep! Exactly the case... If you choose to "build through the draft," dont take the "win now" approach and trade TWO early draft picks the year before... The contradictory approaches of last season to this one makes it easy to believe that it was all about filling the seats last season. :shake:

To be fair, you could easily get 5 more solid seasons from Alex.

I think the dislike for last year's QB class matches their affinity for Alex.

I'd love to believe that if Luck were available a year ago, he'd be a Chief.

This.

Obviously the Chiefs conservative cap philosophy doesn't work.

Zero playoff wins in 20 years and in the last 15 years they have made the playoffs, on average once every 3-4 years.

The Chiefs conservative philosophy does not equal sustained success because they are in constant rebuilding, building for the future mode.

At some point it has to be the Chiefs time to win now… in the present.

Just imagine if Bowe had a brain and didn't suffer with ADD of the hands on 3rd down ?

Which really tells you what they Andy/Dorsey thought of not only last years QB class but this one as well. If Andy was really excited about this year's QB class he and Dorsey would not have given up 2 2nd round picks for Smith. Andy has always liked Smith from the get go and obviously felt he could fix him and make him that legit 1st rd pick he was meant to play like. So far Andy has been right because Alex continues to improve to the point he should have won that Colts game and looks like he could improve even more IF we get some playmakers around him. But there were many suitors in line for Smith last year(don't kid yourself) and Andy was going to make damn sure nobody was going to get him and why we paid a King's ransom hence the QB is the most important position on the field.

Albert,Jackson,DMC,Asamoah were all overrated for the $$ they wanted IMO. Schwartz was the only one I hated to see go but then 'WE' aren't GMs who don't know what is really going on behind the scenes and why he was really allowed to go and not resigned. Maybe they thought the same of him as well.

We'll see if Andy was right in the long run and so far he has been dead on.

We are a sad team.

Even Rams fans are talking trash about how KC will do next season.

Rams fans.

We have no leadership on this team. NONE.

No, I am not straddling the fence. People are saying Clark won't open up his pocket book. They are directly saying we are sitting still because we won't spend money, and then people then throw in their magical invisible money that other teams are spending than we are not.

That is a different story than saying our philosophy of drafting first won't work. I'll repeat, if we are up against the cap in back to back to back years, it means we are spending a lot of money. Have we spent that money wisely? No. But that is different from saying we are cheap.

about tree fiddy

They're rams fans. They don't know better

Is that even something that's released to the public? I couldn't find it online anywhere

I think St. Louis snaps their losing streak against the Chiefs this year.

They've got a nice defense and good skill position guys. I don't think Bradford ever gets it done though.

I'm sure we gave HUGE guaranteed money to um...who did we sign again? Some guy?

I disagree. I think you will see even better leadership this year. You don't want BIG $$ invested in underachieving overrated players who screw with your cap for years to come especially in players who are entering their middle to latter years(injury prone-see Albert) and why many big name FAs never give you the value of what they signed for in championship play. Very rarely.

And how many of those dollars don't count against the salary cap? Zero. So why are we using anything but our yearly cap hit to measure if we are cheap or not.

I don't buy that Sutton isn't partially to blame and here's why:

1. Andy Reid's only real weakness that costs him games/seasons since Jim Johnson has been his DCs. Bob Sutton fits the same mold as Juan Castillo and Sean McDermott currently

2. Bob Suttons refusal to use more of the 34 base defense and sit in nickel and dime packages 50+ % of the time. There is only two arguments why he does this, 1) He sucks as a DC and doesn't know what he's doing 2) WE STILL DONT HAVE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL/ROSTER TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE 34 Base defense. This is the problem I have, because if it's the latter, then stop signing part time thumpers like Joe Mays and part time 2 down run stuffers like Mike Devito and get ****ing athletic players in the front 7. LBers that can cover the pass and DL that can stop both the run and the pass. SF sits in the 34 base because the DL/MLBers can play two ways, same with Pittsburgh, same with the Saints, same with the Jets, etc. We are the only team that blows our wad and switches out of our base so quickly to compensate for the lack of mismatches that teams can expose Sutton as a one trick pony.

3. Bob Sutton's refusal to rotate the DLine. The Powe defenders favorite excuse. Does it ring true? Maybe Dontari Poe would have had something left in the tank near the end of the season in the games that counted if Bob Sutton knew how to keep d-lineman fresh. Is the Bob Sutton sucking again or yet again, the lack of depth on this roster, they have nobody else competent enough to take even 10-20% snaps away from Poe. The fact that Tyson Jackson was a 3 down player on this defense last year leads me to believe there is still a complete lack of depth. But I thought Mike Catapano was suppose to save this team? Well he can't save the team in 2014 if Bob Sutton refuses to rotate him in. Time will tell. But if it's the middle of the 2014 season and there are threads wondering why Mike Catapano hasn't had a higher snap count, how is it not Bob Suttons incompetency?

4. Bob Sutton and the backend. There is an argument to made here that Brandon Flowers, Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis a core that's been together since 2010, were never as bad as they were in 2014. How did Kendrick Lewis fall off a cliff that fast? He was never good but he wasn't that bad. At one point when you realize you do not have a safety on the roster that's able to play single high cover 1 safety, how do you not switch back to a 2 deep safety system like Romeo had? The fact that Bob Sutton kept trying to fit a square peg in a round hole cost us games. The incompetency to play Eric Berry at anything other than a floating LBer, and the fact that all you had to do was sign a ****ing nickel slot CB for insurance coverage that was not named Dunta Robinson would have also solved many problems.

5. Bob Suttons decision making with a 28 point offensive cushion SHOULD BE CAUSED FOR A CONCERN. When your DC becomes a scared pussy and sits in a prevent defense when he knows he doesn't have a safety on the roster that could cover a turtle, with a whole half left to play, should make you concerned in 2014. You have two pro bowl OLBers and a pro bowl NT and you take your foot off the gas? When we play good teams, no lead will be safe.

There are red flags in 2014 where Chiefs fans could be calling for this guys head on a stick by the end of the season, as he could be the sole reason we lose games, not one ****ing FS position.

You sure love those Chiefs, huh?

The chiefs as a whole went into a shell. The offense played a ridiculously conservative protect the lead strategy I'm the second half. The defense completely cut their first half strategy and played unbelievably conservative.

Sutton is a concern. But a lot of the defensive collapse had Andys fingerprints on it. It sure seems like the team as a whole went over conservative to protect the lead. Which again calls into question if his game management is a major liability we should worry about.

I have been very critical of their 2013 offseason. But nice try.

With what has happened so far, I just don't understand the Alex smith trade.

It's almost like there is no plan at all.

The football equivalent to the Battlestar Galactica finale.

lol perfect

Your logic is sound, but I don't entirely agree.

This idea that you have to do one or the other is bad, and the average 'youth movement' is a stupid garbage philosophy that rarely bears fruit. Look at what Herm did. He got talented players and built entirely with youth and the result was a team that simply could not figure out how to win.

To build a good team, good franchises use all avenues available to them. I don't feel that losing two 2nd round picks is a back breaker moving forward. I cannot look at the guys who were available and think we're be further along with Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.

Alex Smith brought a stabilizing presence to a team that has been in total flux at QB since Trent Green left. Now I'd much prefer to find that guy who can start for us until 2030, but I don't really want to sit through 3-4 more 2-14 seasons waiting for us to get him. I don't like playing for draft position. That's what perpetually shitty teams do (except the Colts, who tanked in the right season). Mediocrity is better than being a gutter team, like the Lions or modern Raiders. The chances of making a leap are much better.

It doesn't take a decade to improve.

Why do so many people act like the team has been gutted?

Because of the blood everywhere?

It was a thin roster on Jan 4, 2014.

It is much more so now.

KC has not lost anything I find particularly vital. The only guy I'd have like to have kept is Schwartz, and it's not like that's a game changer.

Yeah a top 10 LT is no big deal. LMAO

How did our offense perform in the games Albert missed as opposed to the games he played in?

When a guy doesn't play and the offense performs at the same level, that's a sign he's not too vital. LT is not as important as it used to be.

:facepalm:

You forgot to flail your wrists and cut yourself.

Drama queens bein' dramatic.

ROFL That you think B.A. was a top 10 LT.

Then why was that the position that was selected at 1.1 and 1.2 in 2013...

Because it was a garbage draft class and some coaches (like Andy Reid) have not yet noticed what teams like the Saints, Pats, and Colts have figured out.

Keep telling yourself that. In case you missed it, the emperor has no clothes. Fool.

Because the OL has...

What the **** are you even talking about? You're just flailing your arms and lashing out at anyone who doesn't agree with you like a petulant child

I can't argue much, we lost more this offseason than we've gained. One of our biggest holes (WR) remains unanswered. I am hopeful but not that optimistic for next year's O-line. Not sure what they could have really done different, except maybe throw an even bigger contract at Sanders.

If we're lucky some of the guys we have on roster now will prove good starters and we get good value out of the draft. Still, with next years schedule I would not be surprised to see a 7-9 season coming up.

ROFL Never mind. I looked at who posted this as I was laughing. When I saw that it was you, it made perfect sense...:rolleyes:

What do you mean?

They needed a QB.

They got a QB.

The plan is like always - to build the best team possible in order to compete for a Super Bowl.

What type of "plan" were you expecting?

2013 was the first season under Reid and Dorsey, they brought in a proven 29 year old QB to go with five Pro Bowlers on defense, drafted the future cornerstone blind side protector and got the best available press cover corner on the market in Sean Smith.

The team went 10-6 and made the playoffs after the worst season in franchise history.

The primary building blocks are in place and it looks like they will continue to build the team through the draft as most good teams do.

Because they let a guard walk who is on his fourth team in four years and a punt returner/utility guy go, everyone thinks this team all of a sudden has no direction?

Jesus Christ...get a ****ing grip people.

Still flailing those arms and insulting people. Someone needs nap-time and a warm bottle of milk.

No no no... Ur stupid. Fool. Dummy head!

Seriously I've never seen such a collective hissy fit over losing so many marginal players.

If you say the stupid stuff that you have, people usually "flail" regardless of what time it is....

But they ****ed themselves hardcore on acquiring Smith.

1) They gave up way too much in draft picks because Baalke knew they had Reid over the barrel on interest in him. So now they're potentially short one starter that could've been acquired last year in the second round and most likely in this year's second round.

2) Smith's next contract will be expensive, so they'll be less likely and able to sign FAs that can fill in holes or from re-signing other key guys on the roster.

Still nothing of substance. Just vague general insults.

Go to bed.

We don't need Charles, either. Or Bowe. **** them.

If you think charles missing that game didn't contribute to KC blowing that lead against the Colts you are a five star moron.

It's not so much what the Chiefs have lost, though there are some not insignificant losses (Albert, Schwartz).

It's that the Chiefs roster clearly had some holes throughout the season and at the end of the year.

FS
WR
TE
OL
DL (pass rush ability)

All needed obvious improvements in the starting lineup.

The Chiefs have added one player (Walker) to those position groups, and it is at the least important/least critical spot.

Meanwhile, they've lost players on the OL and have done nothing but sign depth players in FA.

They're clearly counting on internal improvement and getting some impact guys out of the draft, but it's highly unlikely the Chiefs find all the answers they need and make all the roster improvements they need to build on last year's (flimsy and unlikely replicated) success.

Notable Additions
CB Chris Owens
DT Vance Walker
OG Jeff Linkenbach
ILB Joe Mays
S Husain Abdullah
OLB Frank Zombo

Notable Losses
S Kendrick Lewis
ILB Akeem Jordan
S Quintin Demps
WR Dexter McCluster
OG Jon Asamoah
OG Geoff Schwartz
OT Branden Albert
DE Tysyn Jackson
CB Dunta Robinson
Net Gain/Loss Perception
DE Vance Walker vs. DE Tysyn Jackson = Likely a push at worst and possibly a net gain in pass rush from the DE position
CB Chris Owens v. CB Dunta Robinson = Owens has shown to be a servicable nickle corner and at least has some years left in the tank while Robinson rarely saw the field and was terrible when he did. Likely net gain.
ILB Joe Mays v. ILB Akeem Jordan = Mays is an adept run defender and Jordan wasn't bad either. Advantage there may be to Mays. The advantage to Jordan may be he was better in coverage. No net gain/loss.
OG Jeff Linkenbach v. OG Jon Asamoah v. OG Geoff Scwhartz = Linkebach v. Asamoah to me is no net gain/loss. If you think about the loss of Schwartz, he really started to look like his former self towards the end of the season. I consider Schwartz a loss. I don't trust Rishaw Johnson yet either. The Chiefs have a hole no matter how you slice it.
S Husain Abdullah v. S Kendrick Lewis v. S Quintin Demps = Here the Chiefs kept what I consider to be the best of the bunch. Demps was a nice special teams contributor. Lewis was aweful. I don't really consider there to be a loss here except for warm bodies. If Comings can come back and be decent, he refills the warm body issue to some extent.
OLB Frank Zombo = Smart to bring him back for depth and special teams. Sure, we could use an upgrade, but that needs to come through the draft and not free agency.
OT Branden Albert = Sure, he's a loss, but everyone knew this was coming last year when KC drafted Fisher #1 overall. To consider it as a bad move, or downgrade the Chiefs for it this season would be silly. Fisher and Stephenson should be a fine set of tackles for KC, so all they really need to do is address quality depth.
WR Dexter McCluster v. some CFL guy = Loss. I'm no fan of Dexter McCluster on the field, but he was the Chiefs 2nd best receiver last year. While that isn't saying much, it is a notable loss unles KC can find a way to replace that production or at least build upon it. I wouldn't count on a CFL guy to make the team, but you never know. KC needs to address receiver in the draft. I'm not counting on it in round 1 but it could happen.
My Grade: D+
A C, in my book, would be no overall net gain or loss. The loss of Albert was expected, so I'm not really going to knock KC for it. The failure to address offensive guard, free safety, nor wide receiver in free agency is alarming given that the Chiefs don't own a 2nd round pick. I drop them a partial grade each for those non-moves. I'd give a slight bump up for the projected upgrades that Walker and Owens present with a partial grade in total.
My perception of the Chiefs and how they will approach the draft.
If last season is any indication of the direction KC could go, prepare for CB or OLB early. Flowers and Hali will be huge cap hits next season and Houston and Smith need to be re-signed. There is a good chance one or both could be cut in 2015. Given the lack of pass rushing depth and the poor performance of the secondary in 2013, both are well within play. I don't expect KC to address WR or FS with their 1st round pick unless a gem falls in their laps. WR is a deep position and safeties can be found all over the draft. The only safeties I have first round grades on are Pryor and Ward, and Pryor I don't expect to be there. Ward is not as good as a corner like Kyle Fuller nor most of the WRs that could fall to KC in round 1.

Why is it so highly unlikely?

I think KC may be banking too much on the improvement of guys they drafted who did not play last season like Kelce and Commings. If they bomb or get injured, we're in the exact same position. Those two positions honestly can't be played much WORSE than they were in 2013.

I'm really not particularly concerned with the offense. The interior OL did not play well last year, so turnover there does not alarm me. I'm concerned with the defense and our overall lack of a pass rush. KC was a good team until the defense went from being good to being 2008 over the course of a bye-week.

I understand the concerns, but not the tantrums being thrown.

People keep saying they missed out on two starters, when in actuality, it's 1.

They missed out on 1 potential stater, 2nd round pick, in exchange for a franchise qb.

Because of the number of needs.

The Chiefs need to improve at 6 spots to be a better team in 2014 than they were in 2013.

FS
WR2
TE
LG
RG
DE

They have perhaps upgraded at the DE spot with Walker over Jackson, but that still leaves 5 spots to fill with:

The 23rd pick
A 3rd rounder
A 4th rounder
A 5th rounder
2 6th rounders

and bottom barrel free agents. Or holdover players like Kelce and Commings who have shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

What good does it do to have QB that has no OL to protect him.

If you want to throw the ball down the field you need time for the receivers to get down the field. How long did it take for the 3 OL players we lost to sign with other teams, like maybe 30 seconds.

It all starts with the line both Offense and defense. If you can get pressure with 3 or 4 players it changes you D completely.

Bottom line Brandon Albert was a very good player and we let him walk, doesn't seem like a good move. Pro-Bowl Lineman don't grow on trees.

How much are you expecting to fill each spot with, in terms of production and ability?

I guess if you're looking for pro bowl players in each spot, or all pros, yeah,mid say it's pretty highly unlikely.

But to put adequate players in those 5 spots, adequate enought that it allows the actual playmakers to focus on making plays? I don't think that's necessarily something that's "highly unlikely"

You can also look at other potential ways of improving over last year, ie, players like Houston, flowers, Alex smith having better years.

Improving FS should not be too hard. They could sign you. You could probably outperform Lewis. :D If Kelce can't improve the TE position over the cast of journeymen and undrafted scrubs trotted out last season we need to cut him now. Those positions should improve without any major moves (though not likely to be dramatic improvement) as long as the two guys aren't TERRIBAD like those they'll replace.

I definitely agree about WR and DE. Quality interior OL can be found anywhere in the draft (and after the draft) provided the team can scout them properly. I'd have liked to have nabbed Sanders.

I feel the key to improving the team is improving a pass rush that completely vanished last season at the midway mark. We haven't done anything that solves that issue at all. It was the defense that really let KC down late last season.

It's hard to imagine FS being worse, yes, but they DO still need QUALITY play from that spot. I just don't trust a second-year player with a history of injury problems who's never shown ANYTHING in the NFL to be that guy. Nor do I trust the guys who couldn't beat out the terrible starter last year (Abdullah, etc).

Kelce is a raw guy who played in a spread offense and is coming off of microfracture surgery. I'll believe he can make an impact when I see it.

Just too many holes for me to whistle along and believe everything is going to work out swimmingly.

I understand that, I'm not saying things will work out swimmingly... I just don't see it as a reason to flip the **** out and throw a tantrum as many are doing.

KC, like pretty much every team in the NFL, will enter the season with holes.

2 second round picks for a franchise QB is NOT giving up too much.

No they didn't. Quit being foolish.

We're replacing two spots.

Lewis is gone. That's an improvement.

The low part of the draft and bottom of the barrel is where I want to be finding guards and tight end depth. So the fact that we chose not to pay Schwartz and asamoah is hopefully a sign we are taking that approach. It also means I could really care less if we aren't great at guard.

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

So many wrist cutters on here

But the problem is that the Chiefs don't need TE depth. They need a starter. Fasano and McGrath are depth. Kelce is a lottery ticket at this point.

They also need at least one, probably two starting guards. If they fill those spots with lower-round guys and roster depth and etc, that's fine. If they fill one of those spots by using the first round pick on it? Ouch.

The Chiefs need to add at least one playmaker, and really two, in the passing game.

They could try to grab one of those in the first round of the draft or even the third, but the odds are against a rookie WR making a quick impact.

There are just so many holes to fill on a roster that was not talented enough to begin with.

The Patriots drafted Solder in the first round.

I guess I just don't agree that it's not talented enough as is.

I don't really see TE as that big of a hole, Reid's offense hasn't ever been huge in regards to the te so while I'd like them to look at Ebron if he's there, I don't think it's dire.

You're mistaken.

And it's especially important when Alex Smith is the QB.

He's always been more favored to the wrs and backs. He's had some solid tes in there, but it's not anything like the 9ers etc.