People are acting like Flowers is a difference maker and a shut down corner in this league. He is far from being that at this point in his career and he was never that shut down corner to begin with. The FO did the smart thing in saving money by cutting Flowers before he could become even worse than what he was last year. It's a simple matter of his cap hit, $10+ mil vastly outweighing his production on the field.

I'm surprised to find out there are CPers who expected Flowers to be an impact player this year. He wasn't last year. When you lose your job to Marcus Cooper, your time is over.

At least we know we'd get a few picks against Peyton every game.

I remember the Tampa WR's 2 years ago just abusing our corners

You guys realize that Flowers had only 7 passes defended last season with 1 INT but had 68 total tackles with 63 of them being solo. What does that mean? He allowed a crap ton of receptions. Brandon Flowers gave up sixty-four receptions in the 2013 regular season on ninety-six targets, a 66.7 completion percentage. And CP has its panties up in bunches because we released him to free up $7.5 mil on the cap. Phenomenal. :facepalm:

Trades are going to be a thing of the past in the NFL. (just like RB's in the 1st rd) The only players teams wanna move are ones that are older, expensive or troubled. For 2/3 of that scenario teams will just wait for the inevitable release.

It takes two to tango.

Opposing QBs averaged a 103 passer rating against Flowers. Flowers gave up, by himself, 846 receiving yards and 4 TDs last season on those 64 receptions. You seriously think that's worth a $10+ mil cap hit in 2014?

It's not about the comp. It's his contract.

And Dorsey addressed that.

How did he fix the safety position?

Lets be honest. I loved BFLOW as much as anyone but he's had his best years. He was great and very aggressive early in his career but now a days the receivers are getting bigger and faster and he's not growing and his body is breaking down. His kness are pretty much shot, he's lost a step and isn't as aggressive as he once was. And on top of that the money was ridiculous. Father time is catching up with him at an alarming pace and the game is leaving him behind unfortunately. I would have loved if they could have reworked his deal but I doubt that he would, and doubt that we even wanted to.

:thumb:

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think you get credit for or against for Post June 1, transactions as far as comp picks go.

He's a good player and guy but didn't fit in with Sutton's scheme and didn't play well at all last season while making a pretty outrageous wage for a demoted undersized Nickel corner. Good luck to him with his next team.

Addition by subtraction to start. Not bringing back Lewis and Demps.
Extending Abdullah and Commings coming back from injury. The FA rookie Sorensen.

Tried to.

The jury is most certainly still out on whether or not Walker, Bailey, Catapano and Ford can be effective rushers on a consistent basis.

to rebuild, you would have had to have built.


Oh wait, thats right, they got a wild card spot, its all good

We released a corner who gave up a 66.7 completion percentage when thrown at, QB rating of 103, over 800 yards, and 4 TDs.

Ohhhh nooooo, the sky is falling. The team is lost! We are rebuilding! ROFL

Exactly. Peyton will shred regardless of the presence of Flowers.

I am so confused by this "Flowers was too small" and "Dorsey likes bigger CB's"....Flowers 5'11'' ....Owens 5'9''

Meh. He was good for years 2 and 3 and fell off pretty quickly, when we let Carr go to Dallas and resigned him I thought we made a mistake. At the time I thought it was letting Carr go, but they both are past their best years, so meh. Overpriced player on a non- guaranteed contract, someone will overpay for his game tape.

Dorsey sucked balls in KC and really hasn't done squat at all to justify his draft position. He was a total bust. I get tired of people still acting like he was worth a shit.

5'11"? In what universe? Flowers is 5'9" with 4.55 speed and a 30" vertical.

I understand why people are gushing from their vagina over losing players that have been a part of so many championship teams.....


Wait, what?


Get a grip, gentlemen.

Hard to get a grip around NOTHING and that's what we got for him. IF the Chiefs were going to release him WHY did they wait till now and not use his $$$$ to re-sign / sign players? This off season has been one of the all time most pathetic in Chiefs history, and that says a lot. This is just par for the course.

Yes. Time to fall off the face of the earth again for a few years. Same old sorry as Lions, Browns, CHIEFS...

Owens is the only corner we have now under 6'. Dorsey and the defensive staff obviously prefer bigger, taller, and faster corners.

:spock:

Hali will be the next to go, then DJ, then Bowe, then Charles. No rings for any of them.

Sure was fun to watch them play for shit quarterbacks, shit coaches and shit GMs though.

The cupboard will soon be bare.

Bring in the next batch. More meat for the grinder.

Did what needed to be done. The chiefs have way too many guys under performing and overpaid. We need our young guys to really step up to get rid of even more overpaid players next next season. Pretty damn hard to have a complete team when you're forced to overpay guys like devito, smith, etc. Because none of the guys on rookie contracts are worth a damn.

You think this off season has been good or something?

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Well put. For ONCE we agree...

That made literally no sense. Flowers had to be cut in order for them to use his money to re-sign a player. You're trying to say they should have re-signed a player before cutting him.

Should have been done earlier if they were going to do it. Was waiting till after June 1 worth the opportunity cost?

This is what the Pats have done for years. It's better to let go of these guys a year too early than a year too late.
Clay, once again your agenda is showing. Sometimes tough football decisions have to be made. That's what this was. You want to blame someone, blame Peehole E for letting Carr walk.

It made perfect sense...cut him EARLY & USE THE $$$$. You constantly try to put words in my mouth instead of trying to improve your own comprehension.

You might want to read around and see why they couldn't cut him early first...

:facepalm: Yes. It was the only way to save the 7.5 mil this year. That money can go to Houston or Smith now. If they cut him early, they wouldn't have had that money.

The Pats can justify it with rings, though not recently...FWIW, I always felt Carr was better. Flowers was always getting dinged up.

I happen to agree with this.

I'm hoping that Dorsey/Reid are able to replicate that type of talent evaluation, acquisition an management.

Don't blame Pioli for that. Paying Carr 50mil was INSANE.

Are people here really still trying to blame Pioli for not signing Carr to that deal? Hasn't watching Carr for the past 2 years been enough to stop with that nonsense?

Should have tagged Carr and traded Flowers when he had some worth.

Exactly.

So looks like I was correct and Jason was wrong after all... LMAO

You took his side, remember?

No. It was a bad deal. Pioli should have extended him and it would not have come to that. Instead, he chose to wait.

The timing is wierd.

They either have agreed to something with Smith or Houston, or Flowers was asking to be cut and they granted his wish.

Flowers didn't like being relegated to the slot but he couldn't cover the perimeter effectively either. Played poorly last year and now decided not to show up for OTAs. He was asking to be cut.

If he was asking to be cut, it didn't happen until they shopped the shit out of him.

No one else wanted to take on the salary either.

Yup, and he was due a $2 mil bonus if he reported to TC. No way that he was going to remain on the roster for much longer. He's going to go be the #3 CB for someone.

I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I think they're close with Houston. Hence the timing.
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Why is it assumed Owens will win the nickel job? There is a competition with no real big names. I like it that way because there is a job to win, no incumbent.

I like both DeMarcus Van Dyke and Gaines over Owens.. I'm not a Cooper fan, and I dont know anything about the other guy other than Seattle liked him a lot(grabbing secondary players Seattle likes but didnt have enough room for is not a bad idea)

lol


complete bullshit

grasping for straws


If Abdullah was so great then why did Lewis start ahead of him all season.


We have no idea if Commings or Sorensen can even play in the NFL.


That's not addressing shit.

And just like that, the 2008 draft class is down to just Jamaal Charles.

Hard to believe

heres how you win in the NFL

you have a good draft class like the 2008 Chiefs did

and then you DONT PISS IT AWAY and start over

8 year rebuild plan since Herm Edwards is kind of a joke

We had the pieces, but no QB to put it all together.

Kind of amazing how much a QB truly matters in the NFL, huh?

He's been an exemplary Chief... and he will certainly go on to success with someone, but this honestly doesn't surprise me.

Thanks for being a Chief, Brandon... it was all well played

OTA's must've opened some eyes.

Call me a homer, but supposedly the half-life of an NFL player is three years.. So it's remarkable *any* player is still healthy enough to contribute.

Stack of 1's

:facepalm:

Imitation balla ROFL

The entire draft is a grasp. Any one of the 256 can bust.

Gotta remember it was a first year regime, they were giving guys a chance to prove themselves and when they didn't they were gone. At least that's better than what has been done in the past.

It has been stated by many they thought Abdullah had the best game of anyone in the secondary in the playoff game.

Yeah, Commings and Sorensen have no NFL experience but hell we've brought guys in here with plenty of that (Routt and Robinson to name a couple) and all they did was take the money and get really bad nicknames for getting burnt so often.

You can't fill every position of need all at once, especially with their cap situation.
You do what you can, make decisions in the draft (Pass rusher over safety) and if you're wrong, it'll show.

Nah, he's just goin' to the strip club.

That's why he has so many "1s" with an apostrophe.

I'm so tired of the optimism for Abdullah
Dude sucks
he sucked in Minnesota
he sucked last year
he'll suck this year

While I will miss Flowers and appreciated all he did for the Chiefs, he was NO Pro Bowler last year and only got in because he was "due". He played horribly last year and looks like he is in decline and too small for today's big and strong receiving corp. He got destroyed by all the tight ends and was slow as shit most of the time just like the rest of our coverage team and wide receivers. We have to have the slowest bunch of black dudes on the face of the earth.

We should be able to use some of the money to improve our roster.

You do realize he had one of the best statistical years of his career in 2012, so between 12 and 13 he became under-sized for today's NFL?

He took a year off from football. It took him 3/4 of the season to get back to game speed and once he did he produced. He will be a player this year for us.
"Silence, he KILL you!"

I expect people to start saying how awesome Tyson Jackson was soon

And now that we have one the rest of this team is falling apart quicker than a hud house...

Umm what? Because we released Brandon Flowers?

This shit had to happen. I'm not happy that we let so many guys walk in free agency and we didn't do shit, but it was past time to move on from the big contracts and aging players.

I'm not happy with last years draft class now but there is no denying it was devastated by injuries. Let's give these guys time to play and show what they have before we just decide the team is falling apart. This is how good teams work, they build and develop players through the draft. We just have to hope Dorsey can draft and Reid & co. can develop them.

It's WAY too early to say they can't.

I remember people saying the Pats were done after cutting Lawyer Milloy ROFL Fans are dumb as ****.

Might be a lesson in there somewhere...

He did play in otas was told to not report

He just isnt a good fit for Sutton's scheme. You could see that early on as Dez torched him. I bet he plays better elsewhere in a scheme that fits his talents, especially if its with Crennel in Houston. Regardless, he's always getting dinged up and thats usually when CB's start to decline...Best of luck to him whetever he ends up.

The only players we have who are old/getting old are DJ, Tamba, and Charles (in RB years) and we have good backups for two of the three if they were to get hurt. We are hardly falling apart

Oh, great. Another question mark for the roster.

Don't worry, we'll fill it with some internal candidate who will be BETTER than Flowers despite not being able to play over him while on the roster last year.

(that's how this hopeful optimism thing works, right?)

Just too many question marks for KC and not enough proven commodities to answer them to really expect ALL the problem spots to be addressed.

This is how successful teams operate. They cut good players when they start to decline.