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pugsnotdrugs19 07-15-2015 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 11601122)
Von Miller's cumulative PFF grade over his career (4 years)... 277.6

Justin Houston's cumulative PFF grade over his career (4 years)... 104.2
Enough about PFF. That sh*t is so subjective. I'm guilty of trying to justify things with it in the past but it's so ignorant.

Countless NFL coaches have came out an discredited what they do. It's easy to see they're both game changers, just as it's easy to see Mike McGlynn is a game changer in a negative way, but anyone can look at last season and see Houston > Miller.

RealSNR 07-15-2015 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11601311)
You are one ****ing dense mother****er.

You never had one inkling of my argument.

I don't have an irrational hatred of any of the the candidates at OG, nor did I ever say that there were zero legitimate candidates.

My only argument was that the assumption that the line WOULD be better lacked any supporting evidence.

The chance that this line would not be better were about equal to the chance that they would.

Until these guys step up and actually play to the level of their potential, the line remains a question mark.

The fact is, they do have potential, and I have no interest in Mathis either because of that.

I also have no interest in OT because there is potential there also.

But you keep being a dense mother****er.
We've been over this before.

Dorsey drafted two guards in 2014. He drafted one this year. He signed a vet with starting experience from another team. And he's got a dude who's been here since 2012.

ALL OF THOSE GUYS are competing at the same RG spot. Not both spots. Just one. You pounded the table early in the offseason for competition at the offensive line.

Well there it ****ing is. And all you have to say for yourself is, "There's no guarantee that we'll be better at that position" even though the guy who manned it all of last season was a 6th round rookie and is back in the same competition group.

So how can it get ****ing worse? THE SAME ASSHOLE WHO PLAYED LAST YEAR IS BACK.

Discuss Thrower 07-15-2015 05:38 PM
The line can get worse if whoever plays center turns out to suck flaming ass.

KCTitus 07-15-2015 05:47 PM
Im glad they signed Houston...he deserves the pay day. I just hope the production continues and would love to see him break the sack record for a season. He can do it, even after signing this deal.

milkman 07-15-2015 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11601331)
We've been over this before.

Dorsey drafted two guards in 2014. He drafted one this year. He signed a vet with starting experience from another team. And he's got a dude who's been here since 2012.

ALL OF THOSE GUYS are competing at the same RG spot. Not both spots. Just one. You pounded the table early in the offseason for competition at the offensive line.

Well there it ****ing is. And all you have to say for yourself is, "There's no guarantee that we'll be better at that position" even though the guy who manned it all of last season was a 6th round rookie and is back in the same competition group.

So how can it get ****ing worse? THE SAME ASSHOLE WHO PLAYED LAST YEAR IS BACK.
I never said it could be worse, you ****ing moron.

RealSNR 07-15-2015 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11601356)
I never said it could be worse, you ****ing moron.
LMAO LMAO

Yeah, you've only been saying it all ****ing offseason.

How old are you again? You should probably get checked for Alzheimer's.

Anyong Bluth 07-15-2015 06:00 PM
Best part is Denver fans are pissed because it up the price Von will want and the Donkeys may not be able to afford it without some painful cuts to other players.

milkman 07-15-2015 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11601362)
LMAO LMAO

Yeah, you've only been saying it all ****ing offseason.

How old are you again? You should probably get checked for Alzheimer's.
No, you're right.

I did say it could be worse when you pissed me off because you are a ****ing moron that can not grasp simple ****ing English.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-15-2015 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11601367)
Best part is Denver fans are pissed because it up the price Von will want and the Donkeys may not be able to afford it without some painful cuts to other players.
This is good.

Very good.

MAG 07-15-2015 06:02 PM
go chiefs guys

pugsnotdrugs19 07-15-2015 06:03 PM
Even funnier than Denver fans thinking Miller is better than Houston right now is fans on the Chargers forum saying they are certainly better than us.

A guy seriously said in a matchup between their offense and our defense, they have the edge. I guess he missed both games last year when the man of the hour ate Phillip's ballbag 4 times in one match?... It's truly laughable.

Anyong Bluth 07-15-2015 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11600488)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lesson to be remembered from Justin Houston situation: It costs more to sign a star the longer a team waits provided player stays healthy.</p>— Joel Corry (@corryjoel) <a href="https://twitter.com/corryjoel/status/621356786969243648">July 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Translation :

Farts can sometimes smell funny, but almost always stink.

KCTitus 07-15-2015 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11601367)
Best part is Denver fans are pissed because it up the price Von will want and the Donkeys may not be able to afford it without some painful cuts to other players.
Pissed...maybe...but Denver has cheated the cap before, I'm sure they'll find another way of cheating the cap for Miller. The redheaded spokes ape wont do anything but fine them a couple million.

Urc Burry 07-15-2015 06:08 PM
Can't say we didn't try

@RapSheet: Justin Houston is a case study on betting on himself. Turned down a solid deal in October. Nearly set the sack record, made himself millions

Perineum Ripper 07-15-2015 06:12 PM
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/50yuyu29839.gif

Halfcan 07-15-2015 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11601240)
This post is making me horny.

Evan Mathis, come on down...
Andy is on record saying they are not interested in Mathis.

SAUTO 07-15-2015 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11601387)
Andy is on record saying they are not interested in Mathis.
Link?

jjchieffan 07-15-2015 06:30 PM
Awesome thread title. ROFL

DaneMcCloud 07-15-2015 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11601389)
Link?
It was a couple of months ago but he definitely said it

Anyong Bluth 07-15-2015 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600623)
It just doesn't make sense to me.

The Chiefs don't need 8 mil to sign Evan Mathis if that's what they want to pursue, or to trade for Kendricks, or hell to even do both.
They don't have to sit on cap space, if they have space once the roster is finalized they can apportion it to his contract as an accelerated payment.

As it stands now, it just gives them options for signing additional talent if someone catches their eye and can be acquired.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11600629)
Honestly....who knows. We won't know shit until the full details are released. My guess would be that they're at least going after one more player. Like you said....no point in carrying that cap space if you're just going to sit on it.

Halfcan 07-15-2015 06:53 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...nt-evan-mathis

There was a report that the Kansas City Chiefs could have interest in free agent G Evan Mathis, who was cut earlier this week by the Philadelphia Eagles.

That's not the case, Andy Reid says.

The Chiefs coach told the media on Thursday that the Chiefs are not looking at Mathis. He couldn't have been more clear.

Mathis has ties to Andy Reid so it's no surprise folks were talking about him as an option for the Chiefs. But he won't be coming to Kansas City, according to Reid.

Anyong Bluth 07-15-2015 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 11600643)
Me too. 22 sacks last year and an all around complete player sealed him as a Chief. He's going nowhere and I've been saying it for months. Not hard to see either.
I've felt the same way. I couldn't have been more disinterested than talk about what ifs & signing Houston.

There was zero chance he was going anywhere else unless he all of a sudden had legal trouble or a health problem.

This is great but expected news. I'm now interested in the details and how it shapes up for being able to sign other guys.

TinyEvel 07-15-2015 07:06 PM
Rumor is Houston said he wants "Whole Foods money"

philfree 07-15-2015 07:06 PM
Time to get a new jersey. #50s will flying off the shelf.

DaNewGuy 07-15-2015 07:17 PM
Hell yea!!! Just got home and finally saw this going full homer mode http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...LK%201630F.JPG

Chiefs Pantalones 07-15-2015 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by philfree (Post 11601466)
Time to get a new jersey. #50s will flying off the shelf.
I'm about to buy an authentic Nike Elite Justin Houston jersey as we speak. I was waiting on how his contract situation was gonna go down. Awesome.

Hoover 07-15-2015 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11601371)
This is good.

Very good.
AND they will have to pay Von more that 101mm because he's the better player according to PFF.... :)

beach tribe 07-15-2015 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11601367)
Best part is Denver fans are pissed because it up the price Von will want and the Donkeys may not be able to afford it without some painful cuts to other players.
Guess the Chiefs weren't willing to collude with them.

beach tribe 07-15-2015 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11601454)
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...nt-evan-mathis

There was a report that the Kansas City Chiefs could have interest in free agent G Evan Mathis, who was cut earlier this week by the Philadelphia Eagles.

That's not the case, Andy Reid says.

The Chiefs coach told the media on Thursday that the Chiefs are not looking at Mathis. He couldn't have been more clear.

Mathis has ties to Andy Reid so it's no surprise folks were talking about him as an option for the Chiefs. But he won't be coming to Kansas City, according to Reid.
They hadn't come to terms with Houston at the time. They might be looking at him now....just sayin. Anything is possible. Especially this off-season.

DaneMcCloud 07-15-2015 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 11601520)
They hadn't come to terms with Houston at the time. They might be looking at him now....just sayin. Anything is possible. Especially this off-season.
The last place the Chiefs should spend their new found cap space on is a 34 year old broke dick that played in only nine games last season.

Hootie 07-15-2015 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 11601322)
Yeah dude you're one ban behind me with Black Bob's reincarnations. I have a hat trick you only have two. :evil: Ba-na-na-na-na.....Another one bites the dust.
Kudos to you sir!

jspchief 07-15-2015 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11600824)
"Clark doesn't care about winning"
The entire "Hunts are cheap" rhetoric needs to be put to bed. They may not be as aggressive bringing in FAs as the fans would like, but I don't think money is what drives that.

Fact is, the Chiefs don't let their stars get away. The two biggest names to leave KC are Jared Allen and Neil Smith. I don't believe the Chiefs wanted to keep Allen, Smith took less money to play elsewhere because he has shit for brains.

eDave 07-15-2015 08:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11601567)
I don't believe the Chiefs wanted to keep Allen, Smith took less money to play elsewhere because he has shit for brains.
Spot on.

chiefzilla1501 07-15-2015 08:54 PM
What about chris Myers for a 1 yr contract? Morse probably needs time. Chiefs don't seem very confident in kush. That seems like a much better option than Mathis. Worst case scenario you have extra line depth for a year.

BossChief 07-15-2015 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11601273)
Never again. Out him and I'll ban his ass.
i will always love youuuuuu /in my best Whitney HOUSTON voice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11601567)
The entire "Hunts are cheap" rhetoric needs to be put to bed. They may not be as aggressive bringing in FAs as the fans would like, but I don't think money is what drives that.

Fact is, the Chiefs don't let their stars get away. The two biggest names to leave KC are Jared Allen and Neil Smith. I don't believe the Chiefs wanted to keep Allen, Smith took less money to play elsewhere because he has shit for brains.
Neil smith got ****ed by his agent in that deal.

Did you ever watch the interview where Neil was told that KC offered him more? He was visably pissed and had to look of a guy that got screwed.

Discuss Thrower 07-15-2015 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601610)
i will always love youuuuuu /in my best Whitney HOUSTON voice.



Neil smith got ****ed by his agent in that deal.

Did you ever watch the interview where Neil was told that KC offered him more? He was visably pissed and had to look of a guy that got screwed.
Link. Link or be dealt with by an angry Ari Gold gif.

Brock 07-15-2015 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601610)
i will always love youuuuuu /in my best Whitney HOUSTON voice.



Neil smith got ****ed by his agent in that deal.

Did you ever watch the interview where Neil was told that KC offered him more? He was visably pissed and had to look of a guy that got screwed.
Neil was and is a stupid person. He didn't get ****ed, he was too stupid to understand what he was told.

Demonpenz 07-15-2015 09:27 PM
He will get hurt.

xztop123 07-15-2015 09:27 PM
Wait so Charlie Weis shops at best buy?

BossChief 07-15-2015 09:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11601613)
Neil was and is a stupid person. He didn't get ****ed, he was too stupid to understand what he was told.
I read a story once that he can't even read. Went to do a commercial and couldn't read the cue cards and just left. Iirc.

RealSNR 07-15-2015 10:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11601369)
No, you're right.

I did say it could be worse when you pissed me off because you are a ****ing moron that can not grasp simple ****ing English.
Dude, YOU'RE the one that doesn't understand English.

Sorry, asshole. This time YOU'RE the dumbass. You've been the dumbass on this topic all offseason.

And I see it's still not registering.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2015 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 11601617)
He will get hurt.
Everybody hurts.

We are the Chiefs.

We are Chiefs fans.

We only want the hurt to stop.

Stop, Chiefs.

saphojunkie 07-15-2015 10:24 PM
So, why exactly is this thread title so funny? I clearly missed something.

DaFace 07-15-2015 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 11601648)
So, why exactly is this thread title so funny? I clearly missed something.
That was the original title of this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...php?p=11408141

Hootie 07-15-2015 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601621)
I read a story once that he can't even read. Went to do a commercial and couldn't read the cue cards and just left. Iirc.
Your source?

BossChief 07-15-2015 11:00 PM
Straight up obsessed.

Do you ever stop thinking about me, hootie?

Hootie 07-15-2015 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601665)
Straight up obsessed.

Do you ever stop thinking about me, hootie?
Never. Not till you give up your secret source

Tombstone RJ 07-15-2015 11:23 PM
Congrats to kc for holding on to a great LBer. Home grown talent is the best talent to have.

Tribal Warfare 07-15-2015 11:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13261210

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13261940

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2015 11:33 PM
Best defensive player by far in this division

Tombstone RJ 07-15-2015 11:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11601677)
Best defensive player by far in this division
yes, quite right. Not sure how the Broncos can compete against kc because they have an all star team and it's July.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2015 11:43 PM
Denver has Manning and that's a huge regular season trump card. Covers a flawed team. When his corpse finally rots...they done

Tombstone RJ 07-15-2015 11:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11601684)
Denver has Manning and that's a huge regular season trump card. Covers a flawed team. When his corpse finally rots...they done
you mean like when this team won a playoff game with TT?

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2015 11:57 PM
JFC ROFL

Tombstone RJ 07-16-2015 12:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11601696)
JFC ROFL
yah, this Broncos team is better than that Broncos team so you can curse, cuss and live in the fairy land of kc denial but it still doesn't change the fact that the Broncos are the Broncos and the chiefs are well... because chiefs.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-16-2015 12:09 AM
Denver has a quickly declining Manning and Vonroids....whoopee

aturnis 07-16-2015 01:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11600640)
Hmmm. On the surface, I don't like that. I'd prefer to eat more cap this season while we appear to be pretty loaded and ready to make a run.

If his cap hit is minimal this year, it's just going to jack it up in future years and I'd prefer not to see multiple $20+ million cap hits like the Suh deal.

Whatever. Dorsey has earned the benefit of the doubt for the most part. If true, though, we're certainly going to make a run for someone/several someones. If we structured it like that to just sit on the cap space I'll break some shit.
Is everyone forgetting about "cap carryover" from the new cba?

threebag 07-16-2015 02:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601665)
Straight up obsessed.

Do you ever stop thinking about me, hootie?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11601667)
Never. Not till you give up your secret SAUCE

LMAO

Coochie liquor 07-16-2015 07:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 11601682)
yes, quite right. Not sure how the Broncos can compete against kc because they have an all star team and it's July.
Sounds familiar, right? Like when they practically gave Dungver the championship in July the last 2 years, only to realize that Fivehead gonna Fivehead, no matter how much of a "dream team" you put around him. Those poor Dung-key fans and their short memories, and short dicks... I heard from a friend!!

O.city 07-16-2015 07:09 AM
Joel Corry

Justin Houston's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 & 2020 salary cap numbers are $5.1M, $19.1M, $20.6M, $19.1M, $19.6M & $17.5M.

BossChief 07-16-2015 07:13 AM
Ok, if true...I HATE that structure.

Sassy Squatch 07-16-2015 07:20 AM
There had better be a player they want really damn badly to not max out the cap hit this year and shave some of that money off later. That's a ****ton of money from 2016 and onwards for 1 player. Worth it, but still.

O.city 07-16-2015 07:22 AM
53 mil thru first 3 years. Looks like a 3 year and we'll see what happens

O.city 07-16-2015 07:26 AM
Joel Corry

Chiefs have $8.63M of salary cap room after Justin Houston's deal. There should be right around $27.5M of '16 cap space (assumes $150M cap).

Either roll it over or sign someone else?

RealSNR 07-16-2015 07:27 AM
We were on the books for 13 in the first year due to the tag and we're only giving him 5 million?

I know we wanted to save some extra for a rainy day, but ****. That's stupid.

chiefzilla1501 07-16-2015 07:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11601773)
We were on the books for 13 in the first year due to the tag and we're only giving him 5 million?

I know we wanted to save some extra for a rainy day, but ****. That's stupid.
Dorsey said it gives them flexibility to spend. It sounds like they aren't don't spending yet.

RunKC 07-16-2015 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601757)
Ok, if true...I HATE that structure.
Why? The Chiefs don't have a big contract on their team until now. You can afford to pay more when you don't have a top 10 QB contract.

I really do think that Dorsey is counting on his draft picks to come through this year moving forward.

We'll have 3 players taking a double-digit cap hit in 2016. Packers will have four. Hell the Packers have Rodgers (19.25), Mathews (13.25), Shields (12.12) and Peppers (10.5) and they're scheduled to have $20.1 million in cap space in 2016.

If we draft to replace we will be fine.

BossChief 07-16-2015 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11601773)
We were on the books for 13 in the first year due to the tag and we're only giving him 5 million?

I know we wanted to save some extra for a rainy day, but ****. That's stupid.
Not sure why, either.

They obviously structured the deal in such a way that it would open up cap space this year for somebody.

O.city 07-16-2015 07:48 AM
Trade for kendricks?

Maybe a WR?

RunKC 07-16-2015 07:49 AM
And for anyone thinking we will keep Sean Smith next season..

Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel
Chiefs have $8.63M of salary cap room after Justin Houston's deal. There should be right around $27.5M of '16 cap space (assumes $150M cap).

Writing is on the wall. We will pay him just under $12 million if we franchise him.

I think we will be more proactive and keep that money for DJ, Howard, Abdullah, Tamba if he's still productive and hopefully one of Allen/Stephenson if they play well this year.

BossChief 07-16-2015 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11601790)
Trade for kendricks?

Maybe a WR?
Maybe getting a new deal for Howard and/or Sean Smith....my preference is obviously to move a third to Philly for Kendrick's.

ChiefGator 07-16-2015 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11601755)
Joel Corry

Justin Houston's 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 & 2020 salary cap numbers are $5.1M, $19.1M, $20.6M, $19.1M, $19.6M & $17.5M.
I am a little surprised by that structure. But, I guess we can roll over cap from this year to next if necessary.

And I don't know why people keep saying this is a three year deal. Once you get by the third year, the cap hit actually goes DOWN. Seems like a six year deal that is likely to play all the way out to me.

ChiefGator 07-16-2015 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11601800)
Maybe getting a new deal for Howard and/or Sean Smith....my preference is obviously to move a third to Philly for Kendrick's.
Smith is making quite a bit this year ( 7+ million if I remember correctly). I would expect any new contract for him to REDUCE the cap hit this year.

Makes more sense to give a player like Howard or DeVito an extension/raise. But honestly, most of the players that are entering UFA are playing this year on a 'prove-it' type of situation.

Sign Stephenson to an extension? Why would we and why would he?

O.city 07-16-2015 08:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 11601813)
I am a little surprised by that structure. But, I guess we can roll over cap from this year to next if necessary.

And I don't know why people keep saying this is a three year deal. Once you get by the third year, the cap hit actually goes DOWN. Seems like a six year deal that is likely to play all the way out to me.
After 3 years the guaranteed money runs out and he'll be 30 (iirc). Could approach a restructure I suppose

O.city 07-16-2015 08:27 AM
Dj and Tamba won't cost much if they wanna stay next year.

chiefzilla1501 07-16-2015 08:36 AM
I would have preferred a backload. But the benefit is exactly as you say. Get the contract off the books quickly so you have leverage in the later years of the contract. If his contract ever becomes inflexible you can convert his base salary to bonus so any one of those years of 20m could easily be reduced to 10.

Eleazar 07-16-2015 08:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11601791)
And for anyone thinking we will keep Sean Smith next season..

Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel
Chiefs have $8.63M of salary cap room after Justin Houston's deal. There should be right around $27.5M of '16 cap space (assumes $150M cap).

Writing is on the wall. We will pay him just under $12 million if we franchise him.

I think we will be more proactive and keep that money for DJ, Howard, Abdullah, Tamba if he's still productive and hopefully one of Allen/Stephenson if they play well this year.
Dumping Smith for those players is not a wise move and I think Smith is overrated. But maybe if Peters blooms...

RunKC 07-16-2015 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11601823)
Dj and Tamba won't cost much if they wanna stay next year.
I agree, and I don't think Abdullah will either, especially at his age.

I'd like to see us keep Jaye Howard. He was the most underrated player on the team last year IMO.

DeVito is surely gone though. And I think Colquitt will need to restructure. No justifying paying a punter $4.45 million.

Packfan12 07-16-2015 08:53 AM
I fear our O line trying to shut him down week 3.

Eleazar 07-16-2015 08:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11601567)
The entire "Hunts are cheap" rhetoric needs to be put to bed. They may not be as aggressive bringing in FAs as the fans would like, but I don't think money is what drives that.

Fact is, the Chiefs don't let their stars get away.
The latest argument I heard here about Hunt cheapness being the source of all our ills is that Clark is keeping the team from drafting a first round QB because he doesn't want to pay what it would cost for a contract extension if said QB was deserving of one.


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