You're throwing shots at some serious CP heavyweights, Dane.

Why you calling people fat?

The Hawks signed Bobby Wagner to a 4 year deal as well.

I'm not sure what their cap guys have got in mind but that puts pretty much all of their big name guys on 4 year extensions.

Michael Bennett and Kam Chancellor still want a raise. Wonder what they will do there?

Tell them to **** off.

Bennett signed a year ago and Kam signed 2 years ago.

Play on your deals or pay the fines to sit at home and not play.

LMAO

Which "heavyweight"?

LMAO

Hootie is a drunken ****tard that needs to live with five guys in order to have a place to live. He's a ****ing pizza boy in Illinois.

"Saul Good" is a loudmouth twerp that lost his business. He's a tiny chump spews shit because his life sucks. He wouldn't say shit to anyone in person.

Milkman is a long time, angry bastard who argues with anyone and everyone. That's all well and good but he's not adding anything to any conversation these days.

His act is old.

I call this as BS. He would have made money next year WITHOUT EXTENSION from a slotted contract. Paid that regardless mainly. Bird in hand.

It's nowhere near this deep man. You need a break.

I've said it for years. Dane has serious issues. It's entertaining though

He'll lose his shit and leave for forever again here in a few months.

Bookmarking this thread as a reminder to go outside.

He'll definitely sign the biggest contract ever. No shit. This $31.7M guaranteed you're tossing around is hilarious, though. He makes that THIS YEAR, alone. So it's a 1 year, brand new deal if that's really how you're looking at it. You do realize that, right?

Yeah. Only 31.7M guaranteed. Lmao

I've said it for years: You're a drunken ****tard.

It's entertaining, sometimes.

So Hootie isn't a drunk? Milkman isn't constantly a dick and calling everyone out? Saul isn't a bandwagon douche with no opinion of his own?

We must be reading a different forums.

LMAO

I might leave if two family members are diagnosed with cancer again. Or if I start another business, as I did in 2011. Or if I just become plain ass bored because the forum is overrun with dipshits.

Otherwise, probably not.

But I seriously doubt that anyone would shed any tears if you left. I'd be shocked if anyone notices that you even post, especially after your third name change.

Actually, no. He receives $20 million as a signing bonus this year and a $11.7 million next year. Awesome dough for him and he's set for life, but no.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13...attle-seahawks

He's also been a bargain for Seattle. The 2015 season was the first time Wilson was scheduled to make more than $1 million. That's now just $700,000 in base salary for 2015 with a $31 million signing bonus -- $20 million now and the other $11 million next April.

Hootie, in what world does $20 million equal $31 million?

I'm asking because I "need help".

Thanks in advance.

You're losing it again. :thumb:

Looking forward to apology thread 2.0

It's very simple. The only way he only makes $31.7M is if he plays this season, doesn't get injured, and is waived before the 2016 season for anything other than an injury (if injured, he'll get another $29M on top of that $31.7).

So, once again, and I'll slow this down for you ...

THE ONLY WAY RUSSELL WILSON ONLY MAKES $31.7M IS IF HE IS RELEASED FROM THE TEAM PRIOR TO THE 2016 LEAGUE YEAR OFFICIALLY BEGINNING (due to performance only ... he has another $29+M in guarantees because of injury).

So, what do you put the odds of Russell being released after this season due to on field play? Do you think it's a negative percentage? I'd say there might be a -25% chance of him being released after this season.

He'd literally have to go all DaneMcCloud and get caught with some underage kids somewhere he shouldn't be

Dude, you're living in your own world.

Read the contract terms and get back to us, okay?

And once again, $20 million paid in 2015 is not $31 million in 2015.

For instance, Colin Kaepernick basically signed a contract with 6 1 year deals ...

http://www.businessinsider.com/colin...ntract-2014-12

Clearly, he has not lived up to that contract thus far. Have the 49ers released him yet? Would they even release him after this season if his play remained underwhelming? Possible, but highly unlikely.

...yet you guys are trying to say Russell only has $31.7M guaranteed LMAO

Yep. Russell signed a 1 year, $31.7M deal. The Hawks are planning to pay him that much money so they can cut him in the offseason.

Dane. If they cut him after the season, he gets that $11M that is due to him in April. No matter what. It's a 1 year, $31.7M contract NO MATTER WHAT.

Please tell me how it isn't.

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL HE MAKE IF HE PLAYS THIS SEASON AND GETS CUT BY THE TEAM BEFORE 2016?

Just answer that for me. Don't bullshit around it ... answer me THIS very simple question.

If Russell Wilson is cut after the 2015 season. The day after. Literally, THE DAY AFTER. How much money will the Seahawks have paid him for the 2015 season?

...?

I haven't read the K but it sounds from what you say here that the $31 is guaranteed. If they cut him is there guaranteed $ for that as well?

Minutiae again.

You both have a technical claim to being "right" so I predict another drawn out pissing match in which we all lose.

Point made.

You do understand that "guaranteed" can be restructured, right?...

He gets $31 million 100% guaranteed as a signing bonus. He'll get $20 mil of that this year and the additional $11 mil next April.

His contract contains some more guaranteed money if he stays on the roster at certain points over the life of the contract. For example, if he's still on the roster by the fifth league day of the 2016 and 2017 seasons, he'll be guaranteed another portion of his contract. Technically, those numbers aren't guaranteed now because they could cut him prior to the dates and keep the money, however unlikely.

Another thing to note: his contract contains $60 mil in guarantees to injuries. So, as I mentioned, if they decide to cut him, say, after the 2015 season, he'll only see the $31 signing bonus and $700,000 salary (that's the $31.7 number being thrown around) for the season, but if he gets injured at any time throughout his contract and can't play, he'll receive an additional $29 mil to make the total of guaranteed money $60 mil.

(I think that about covers it)

?

I have no idea where you are getting at.

All I know are the following things:

1) Russell Wilson will make $31.7M, no matter what, for 1 year of playing time in 2015. If they cut him after this season, he makes $31.7M. That's guaranteed. Thus, the way they are interpreting the contract, it's a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

2) If Russell Wilson is on the Seahawks on the 1st day of the new league year in 2016, he'll make another $12.34M GUARANTEED, no matter what. So when people are wording this as a 5 year, $89.5M deal with $31.7M guaranteed they are 100% incorrect. They are manipulating the contract to a ridiculous extent.

3) ***AND THIS IS THE MAJOR ONE***

THERE IS LITERALLY NO ****ING WAY IN THIS WORLD THAT RUSSELL WILSON WILL BE CUT BY THE SEAHAWKS FOLLOWING THIS SEASON. NO WAY. IT ISN'T POSSIBLE. HE COULD LITERALLY RAY RICE TWO BITCHES IN AN ELEVATOR AND THE HAWKS STILL WOULDN'T CUT HIM.

So, you know, instead of Dane just admitting, "meh. I got this one wrong."

It turned into this. Because, you know, Dane.

I eagerly await your reply.

Thanks. So if they cut him within the allotted time frame provided he wasn't injured they wouldn't have to pay him anything beyond the $31M?

No one is disputing that fact.

What I AM disputing is your claim that he's guaranteed to earn $31 million this year, which is clearly not the case.

Actually, no. He receives $20 million as a signing bonus this year and a $11.7 million next year. Awesome dough for him and he's set for life, but no.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13...attle-seahawks

He's also been a bargain for Seattle. The 2015 season was the first time Wilson was scheduled to make more than $1 million. That's now just $700,000 in base salary for 2015 with a $31 million signing bonus -- $20 million now and the other $11 million next April.

Once again, $20.7 million is awesome dough, but it's not $31 million.

If he were to agree to a new contract in the future (extension) they could augment that guaranteed money...

LMAO

Dane. He gets $31.7M no matter what. For 1 year of play. If they cut him, he played on a 1 year deal for $31.7M.

How are you not getting this? You really can't be this dumb, can you?

He's only paid that if the worst happens.

This is the funniest thing I've ever argued in my life.

Russell Wilson is guaranteed $31.7M to play for the Seahawks in 2015. It's simply not debatable.

He is guaranteed nothing beyond that. However, if he's on the Hawks on the 5th day of the new league year in 2016, he is guaranteed another $12.5M.

So, if you want to say that Russell Wilson signed a contract for $31.7M, you have to say that he agreed to a brand new deal that was a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

Because the only way he ONLY makes $31.7M is if he is cut before the 2016 season.

This isn't debatable. This is fact.

You specifically said "This year".

You're the guy that's always arguing semantics to "win" a conversation and in no world is Russell Wilson receiving $31.7 million dollars to play for the Seattle Seahawks in 2015, in 2015.

I'm pretty sure we all get that.

For a franchise QB that's a pittance...

That is correct.

They'd be absolutely wrecking their cap in the process of losing a Super Bowl champion QB with no heir apparent on the roster, though, so there's approximately .00000000000000001% chance of that happening.

I think everyone gets that he gets his full 31.7 guarantee if he's cut. Just like Justin Houston would get his full 32.5 million if he's cut.

Thanks for doing the leg work to summarize the points of the K. :thumb:

So, when you say that he makes $31.7M guaranteed ... you realize that is for 1 year. If he makes the team (!!!!!) in year 2 (on the 5th day of the new league year), he gets another $12.5M GUARANTEED.

So painting his contract as a 5 year deal with $31.7M guaranteed is an incredibly ridiculous manipulation.

What?

He'll receive $20 million in 2015 as guaranteed money.

He'll receive another $11.7 million in guarantees in 2016.

You are 100% incorrect. He received a $31M signing bonus. He isn't being paid that up front. How ****ing dumb are you?

I mean, seriously. How much more do I have to break this down. This is hilarious

....this is important stuff!!

Is it legally possible for Seattle to not pay him more than the $31M? If so that is the total amount currently guaranteed.
Is that splitting hairs? Yep.
But as I think our resident contract attorneys may aver, fine tooth combs are required when looking at a K like this...

Hootie, you stated that he's receiving the entire $31 million this year.

He is NOT receiving $31.7 million in 2015.

And you're calling me dumb?

It's ridiculously silly

He's receiving $20 million this year and the additional $11 million in the year 2016, but it's all a part of the guaranteed money for the 2015 season.

MINUTIAE!

It's only minutiae if you disregard his bank account balance

From my understanding, which is based on conversations I've had with sports agents, the main reason for splitting the signing bonus is not only to alleviate a cash payout by the club owner but for taxation purposes as well.

I have no idea if either scenario was a consideration in this case.

You're keying on the fact that Hootie said he'd receive $31 million "this year". He'll receive the latter $11 million technically in the calendar year of 2016 but it is still a chunk of the payment due to him for the 2015 year.

This is the most trivial of arguments.

I'll make this really, really, stunningly simple:

When Russell Wilson files an income tax return for 2015, will he indicate that his earnings from the Seattle Seahawks are $20.7 million dollars or $31.7 million dollars?

How many more ****ing times do I have to break this down LMAO

Are you ****ing kidding me? You're really going to play the 'fiscal year' card when referring to an NFL contract? So when people talk about what a Chiefs player made in 2014, you interpret that to mean calendar year earnings? Playoff games and such that take place after December 31st count towards the next year as far as the discussion is concerned?

Dane is having a breakdown all by himself.

When I get back on a computer, I'll dumb this down even further for Dane. Apparently he needs his hand held at all times.

I'd tell him to go back to grade school, but I don't think he's allowed within 500 yards of them.

I've forgotten what this argument is even about.

4yrs? 5yrs? 31m? 60m?

It would be over but Dane refuses to just acknowledge that he might have been wrong about how the Hawks viewed Russell Wilson

Answer the question.

They will be on the 2016 return...because the money is for being on the team during the full 2015 season...which ends in 2016. You keep arguing the most ridiculous semantics as if it proves something. It just proves that you're incapable of having a normal conversation and understanding context.

What?

So you're claiming that Russell Wilson won't be required to pay taxes on $20.7 million dollars he'll earn in 2015 on his 2015 tax return?

This is silly.

The last game of the season is January 3rd. Players are paid weekly during the season, so as I understand it, Russell Wilson will receive $43,750 dollars for 15 games played in 2015, which equals $656,250.00 in salary.

His guaranteed figure of $20 million, in the form was a signing bonus, has already been paid, making Wilson's total earnings from the Seattle Seahawks in 2015 at $20,656.250.00 dollars.

He'll be responsible for reporting those earnings on his 2015 tax return, not the 2016 tax return.

This is the dumbest discussion ever. Taxes aren't paid based on when the money is earned. They're paid on when the income is realized. He likely won't pay taxes on a good chunk of it for another 30+ years. Hell, he won't ever pay taxes on some of it. That has nothing to do with the point of the discussion, though.

He is guaranteed to earn $31 million or whatever it is if he plays the full 2015 season. Period

Now we're talking about taxes LMAO

Guaranteed money, no matter what:

1 year, 31.7

If he is still on the Seattle roster on the 5th day of the new league year in 2016 (it's like early May I believe), he's then guaranteed another 12.5M.

So it's a 1 year, 31.7 million dollar deal. Or a 2 year, 44 million dollar deal fully guaranteed if he's still on the roster in May 2016. Or a 3 year, fully guaranteed 57 million dollar deal if he's still on the roster in May 2017.

Can I ask what you believe the odds are Russell Wilson is cut before May 2016 for performance related issues?

I say I have a better chance, legitimately, of knocking up Anna Kendrick than Russell not making the 2016 Seahawks. Do you agree?

The team has given him $20 million as a signing bonus. They'll pay him another $700k for the 16 game season. He'll earn another $11+ in March 2016. That's all that matters.

This has been a ridiculously stupid discussion with zero end game.

Dane is a moron

They actually gave him a $31M signing bonus. This is another non debatable fact

When does he actually get that money?

Can you explain to me why the **** that matters? He got 31 million dollars to sign the contract. The only possible way he'll only make 31 million dollars is if he's cut after 2015 for any reason sans injury. How does this not compute to you ****ing dipshits?

Yeah, I don't give a shit about that. Admittedly, I don't know much about contract language.

I'm asking because if he get's that money this year, then wouldn't that make this a 5 yr deal, if he's getting new money during the supposed final year of his current contract? Am I understanding this correctly? I understand it's bonus money, not salary, but the signing bonus would be in the contract.

This is all in guarantees:

If Wilson gets cut after this year, he makes 31.7M.

If Wilson is on the team on May 10th in 2016, he makes 44M.

If Wilson is on the team on May 10th in 2017, he makes 57M

After that, they probably renegotiate.

It's really THAT simple.

Even if he's not on the team, he'll still get it because it will mean he got injured.

I'm to lazy to go back and look, but I recall this silly argument started with it being either a 4 yr extension or a 5 yr deal.

So, if he's getting the signing bonus this year, then it's a new 5 yr deal. Correct? Which all that does is bring down the yearly average of the deal. And of course, has nothing to do with his guaranteed money.

I'm just trying to understand contract language.

The argument is ... Dane can't be wrong, so he tried to manipulate statements and now he's talking about yearly tax returns rather than admit he's wrong about anything. It's God damn embarrassing

Russel Wilson is under contract for 5 more years and over those 5 years he will make 89.something million dollars