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He was never anything than a sweet gentleman. While it's true that he had his flaws in terms of a Will, procreation and wearing s seatbelt, IME, there wasn't angry bone in his body. Was there sadness? Yes. He never got over his father's death. But anger or abuse? No. |
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Three different semen samples were found in her underwear. Kobe didn't "rape" her, it was consensual sex and she tried to cash in. I don't normally play the "Gold Digger" card but when it's a fact: The accuser was unwilling to testify. |
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The biggest problem is people often let talent overshadow problems that never really go away. Has the guy changed? Sure I think everyone deserves a second chance. But you can come up with a million examples... Manziel, Larry Johnson, Burfict, where people talk themselves into trying to fix a person that they know will never really be fixed, and it ends up being a huge distraction and waste of time. I hope that's not what Dorsey has done here.
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Also, he plead guilty and admitted what he did. Let me know when you read the facts. There's a reason Kobe's "victim" wouldn't testify. There was no evidence. |
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Plus, CPers 12+ inch cocks don't leave a lot of breathing room. I'm sure Kobe is hung like a horse. |
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Immaculate beating then? |
Even Kobe himself admitted it wasn't consensual in his press statement after the charges were dropped.
Kobe Bryant's Rape Case Reexamined - http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...xamined-041116 |
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ben rothlesswhatever is most likely a serial assaulter, if not outright rapist...and the league, tv, fans just pretend it isn't common knowledge
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So in your mind, what this guy did was ok? Please turn your caps off and go to bed. Your argument is weak and stupid. |
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And I hate Kobe as much as anyone. But this isn't about him. This is about the NFL's terrible actions on many issues and shit poor integrity of the game that Goodell continues to sweep under the rug. If they can make money and sell tickets, Goodell doesn't give a ****. He's the biggest poser in all of sports. It's a corrupt league that continues to get uglier as teams and owners continue to follow suit of the commish. |
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These days, it's hard to root for any team that hasn't backed some sort of waste of a human being just because he can ball at one point in time or another. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look at the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs">@Chiefs</a> throwing away principle when it's inconvenient & drafting a guy who beat up a pregnant woman <a href="https://t.co/WWgSQXUKWa">https://t.co/WWgSQXUKWa</a></p>— keithlaw (@keithlaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/726772653017731072">May 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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i understand this pick controversial, but can we dispel with myth that the chiefs are paragon of moral authority? We have a laundry list of felons and dirtbags on our rosters over the years...
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I'll bet every fan in Arrowhead Stadium boos the first time he scores a touchdown.
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If you don't have $$ for a proper defense prepare to be steamrolled in our judicial system even for minor crap. Enough $$$ and you can get off or off easy for murder.
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So whatever your career path is and you get fired from your job for domestic abuse you wouldn't apply anywhere else in your chosen field? The way people around here sound like he should not ever get hired for a job! His job is playing football and he is good at it and will get paid a lot of money and I believe that is what pisses people off more almost as much as what he did!!!
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I have been reading many of the post on this subject in several different threads and have some thoughts. I first want to clarify that I am a white professional conservative who grew up in a stable home with two parents. If I looked at this scenario through those lenses, it makes it black and white. However, over the years, I have learned to look at any situation in detail, the circumstances and make a fair judgment. Here is my take on the situation: It is apparent that Tyreek lost it at some point during this confrontation. I have been married 25 years to a strong women. There have been heated confrontations over the years where some way some how I restrained myself from a "heat of the moment" reaction. Why? Because when I was 7, I hit a pushed my slightly younger sister over a toy. I had a strong father in my house who made it very clear that hitting my sister, or any other girl, was very wrong and I was punished severely for it. My father also shared with me, as I have shared with my son, through my teen years that violence against women would not be tolerated. To many of us with strong fathers, mothers and our socio-economic conditions this is apparent and nothing but common sense. However, I realize that those without a strong role model raised in a different culture, this is not always apparent. Does this make it right? Absolutely not, just looking at it from another angle.
As far as the charge, the plea, and the consequences: It appears Tyreek had no previous criminal record. He did call authorities about a month before the incident to have her removed from his apartment. There is no record of any other arrests, or incidents, for any other issue(s). I have read the report from the victim, it is horrific. However, though Tyreek was wrong having any physical altercation, it wasn't as bad as the report. Why? A prosecutor would not have a agreed to the plea if it were completely true. If the photos of the victim showed horrific injuries, if there was proof the baby was potentially in danger, etc. a conviction would have been easy. However the prosecutor offered a plea of no jail time, a 52 week domestic violence program, 3 years probation, and if he stays out of trouble it would be expunged from his record. I don't believe a prosecutor would offer that deal, especially expunging it from his record, if the evidence matched the testimony of the victim or if they thought this had happened before. Is it more realistic that Tyreek lost it when she came back in the apartment confrontational, shoved then grabbed her from behind and physically held her during this altercation? Yes and he should have not kicked her out with no pants, and he should have called police as he did previously, instead of the physical altercation. This was wrong and as a black man, with a white women, even though not as bad as the testimony, you plea. Where is he now... This happened over 18 months ago, and from every account he has been a good citizen. Besides his punishment, what else has he paid? He lost a free education from OSU, could have been a 2nd round draft choice which is a lot bigger contract, and he lost the support of a lot of folks. He should have, but how much more should he pay? I listen to 810 on Sat. and read a lot of the post on here about how he should never play in the NFL, he should make amends by speaking at schools and advocating against violence. This are mostly liberal minded folks. They don't care that he was never in trouble before or after. They don't understand that he may never had a strong role model or socioeconomic structure that they had, even though they think they are way more compassionate than conservatives. The 810 host conjecturing thoughts on his interview of blaming the victim that I don't believe was his intent. They don't seem to realize that he would have no, zero, nada, platform for anyone to listen to his story of what domestic violence can do and how he can help other kids hear his story and learn if he weren't an NFL player. Where do I stand now: If another team would have drafted this kid, I would have had a reaction to it that would have been negative. However, another team didn't draft this kid, my team since I was age 4 did. I was immediately concerned, and looked at the situation as detailed in this post. I believe in second chance and believe this kid made a one time mistake and has learned from it. I believe he has the potential to make a difference on the field and off the field by having a platform he wouldn't have if not an NFL player? I also believe he should have a very short leash. He needs to realize his second chance, embrace it and ensure he does everything possible to prove the Chiefs made the right choice. I am confident that if he doesn't, he will be cut rather quickly, and rightly so. |
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First post... Dare I say, you are a member of the Chiefs org? More specifically, are you Ryne Nutt, the lead Chiefs' scout for this player? |
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Very well thought out and makes A LOT of sense. I too was thinking that there was no way the prosecution would have done that plea deal if it was truly as bad as it sounds. I do trust that Dorsey and his team did overturn every rock when it came to this kid and I do trust that Clark Hunt wouldn't have allowed it either unless the information they collected wasn't overwhelmingly clear that this wasn't as bad as it sounds and wouldn't happen again Like said above, he's on a short lease. Let's move on and start talking about football again |
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STEALING BEER? What the ****? |
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Well, if he is the father of a child born to the girlfriend. The child and the girlfriend will be better off financially if he makes an NFL roster and earns good money.
The fans and the media that ask the NFL to be more severe than the criminal justice system are not that much different than Donald Trump saying he would kill the children of terrorists. Have all of the people complaining about this draft pick started raising money for the girlfriend and the baby. This kid is eligible to be drafted, he could go to prison if he violates his probation. I am glad that Dorsey and Reid are willing to give him a chance. I don't understand people that think Tyreek Hill is eligible for every other job in the world he could get, but not the one job in the world that has the highest earning potential. That really is nonsense. |
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I doubt, as a casual fan, that he went back 18 months on twitter to research the incident or previous relationships (specifically, the race of his gf) for shits and grins. It's odd that his very first post would be a passionate, super well-thought out breakdown of the scenario, including such specific details. Also, it's more fun imagining that he has a vested interest in the situation and took to an anonymous message board to vent. |
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As I have aged, I have learned to look at all situations from all angles before jumping to conclusions. I look forward to being a bigger part of the community going forward. |
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No...Crystal Espinal was his gf at the time. It's all over the articles and the police reports. Here is her Twitter. Says right at the top that she's Dominican. Like I said, it doesn't really matter but she's not white https://mobile.twitter.com/crysespinal |
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Has anyone in the media bashing the Chiefs offered any persuasive explanation why that kid should not get the amount of child support he would get if his father could make an nfl team? |
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Yup, both her and his son are going to have a much better life if he's in the NFL. Not saying that makes anything ok, but that's potentially life changing for both of them if he does make it |
This thread is funny. 80% of the guys in the league would be in jail if they weren't playing football. They made it through college only with the help of tutors and teachers looking the other way. Even the wunderlic scores are moot now.
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So did you guys get this all figured out yet?
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I don't get what's so hard to understand about pleading guilty. I think it's clear he did something wrong, but it doesn't mean it was nearly as severe or indefensible as she said. Given the choice of rolling the dice or getting a guaranteed lenient sentence, I totally understand taking the plea.
That said, maybe he is guilty of everything she said and worse. I just don't know and people hopping on their high horse as if they do is every bit as bad as any victim blaming or any other convenient point of view in this thread. Am I giving this guy special consideration because he was drafted by my team? OF COURSE. But only because I wouldn't take the time to read whole articles about the Browns' 5th round selection. Dismissing anyone willing to entertain the possibility that Hill is anything but a total piece of shit is an overly emotional and unfair response. |
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I hate the pick. It's not like the Chiefs haven't struggled with domestic violence between LJ and Belcher.
I cheered for the team and still will. I'd be OK with it when long Clark comes out in cheesy sunglasses and says "just win, baby" |
I do like that he seems to move straight ahead after catching the ball on returns. It was tiresome watching a certain return guy run sideways and backwards 10 to 20 yards last year-lol
We needed a Big upgrade on Special teams-and it looks like we got it. |
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Ryne Nutt is the southeast scout. Somewhere on the team site is a transcript of him also a video of him responding to the legal questions on this matter. His work was most likely talking to teammates coaches and all folks tied to both football programs Hill attended. Nutt mentions Dorsey and Dirk handled the legal part of their investigation. If you google Dirk Taitt he is a private investigator for the NFL and handles these matters for the Chiefs. Just wanted to throw that out there.
When I saw the name on the ticker and thought wtf? Who? Then reading on here about this I was like wtf are they thinking. Watched the rest of the draft in a daze just thinking why risk this. While still disgusted I am glad they had a NFL security/PI dig into this and I would hope after their findings on the matter they would discuss it with the commissioner/proper league employees who handle these matters and get some feedback on whether to pursue based on the investigation findings. I'm just going to give it time and see how it plays out. I would think having a presser with this Dirk Taitt would be something that maybe could be helpful. Maybe not. Just going to focus on the other picks and UDFA's as this shit still stinks to me. |
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I was waiting for that. Didn't wanna be the one to do it, but figured it was coming.
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The holier than thouness over this pick is off putting
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Being a PR flunkee for a team that's abandoned all scruples isn't something one should aspire to in life. But your mileage may vary. |
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But that's alright, if you can root for human detritus, good on ya. Because any person that would beat a pregnant woman into an ER didn't just dive into the deep end of the pool there. That person's been physical with women before. And frankly I hope this is based on your chosen football team because anybody that would simply defend a person that would do that 'because people make mistakes' somewhere in his heart of hearts absolutely believes there's a reason to hit a woman and is also a piece of shit. In closing - I couldn't give one **** less what you find off-putting. |
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Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Rice lost that privilege, and it looks like Greg Hardy did as well. I see no reason why Hill should retain that privilege when there are hundreds of other players out there that didn't choke their pregnant girlfriend. |
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How many people do you know that choked out their wives and/or girlfriends while punching their face and stomach repeatedly? What kind of ****ed up environment do you live? And MVP? MVP of the Illinois correction facility? |
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e75250462.html
Someone can post the article. Not smart enough to do it on my phone |
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He's a D1 talent we'd never get on our team any other way. |
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DenverChief told me that Innocent People plead guilty ALL THE TIME. The AUDACITY of Hill saying "I DID IT. I NEED HELP" means that he was goaded into saying that because his PUBLIC DEFENDER told him to do it. :rolleyes: I'm not gay (NTTATTWT) but I ****ED YOU IN THE ASS WITH MY OVERSIZED COCK, DenverChief. |
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The reason Hill is being given a chance is because there is no definitive proof that this incident happened exactly the way the woman claims and he hasn't been in any kind of trouble since. It also sounds like part of the Chiefs vetting process was to talk to the prosecutors of this case. They must have came away from those interviews feeling pretty confident that there were circumstances involved in this case that haven't been reported. |
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