Except now we've got defensive line talent to replace him if it comes down to a bloated contract. We didn't have that before.

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Someone who had a lot of confidence in their abilities.

My main hope from camp is they clearly identify their starting oline so they don't have to play musical chairs like the last how many seasons.

Is that true. For some reason I remember him on the other side. I could be wrong, though. Someone have film?

I'm pretty sure that barring injury, the OL will stay the same.

Fisher, Ehinger, Morse, LDT, Schwartz

That's silly.

Management: "Here's $15 million guaranteed. You're set until age 31".

Player: "No thanks. I'll take a 2 year, 12 million dollar deal because I'll be worth more when I'm 29".

LMAO

Also, keep in mind, he was a free agent. No one offered him a better deal or he'd be gone right now.

I didn't say it was smart.

A guy with a lot of confidence and ambition could think he'd be worth more in a couple years. Howard is on the up-swing.

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Just skip to 39:10

Your assumption also relies on the fact that an agent doesn't sit the dude in question down and say "Listen, dipshit..."

Good ****ing grief.

What person that's offered $15 million guaranteed turns it down for $12 million over two years because they believe a better offer will come two years later at age 29?


A bird in the hand, man.

Just watched the red n gold recap of that game last night. believe 2 of those 3 sacks came from the left side.

edit: should have said 2 of 3 over the LT

I don't remember who this Tackle was...was he Barry Richardson bad??? That guy was terrible.

I'm not really sure, but the Chargers gave him an extension, so he can't be THAT bad.

Just hyperbole.

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What exactly is Cleveland Browns money? The Browns have become frugal. Hence why the Chiefs have Schwartz and the Falcons have Mack.

I'm guessing this was because of the Bowe situation. These Browns are much smarter I believe.


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I see...yeah I can see that being the situation.

Players sign franchise tags all the time. They're risking everything doing it, but they do it anyway. I don't see why a guy like Howard couldn't think he'd be able to further establish himself as worthy of a larger contract in his semi-prime years.

Btw, when you were on a posting hiatus, what was the reasoning? Was the Cassel era an era that made you become apathetic? Man...that era...I'll never forget it. But you did take a break from posting for a couple years, then came back, right??

Lol. Rico the interrogator.


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What? What is someone "risking" by signing a franchise tag? What is Kirk Cousins "risking" by being paid $19 million this year?

There are any number of things that could happen to an NFL player's body during two seasons of play. Age 29 has recently become a time when players are retiring, not receiving huge third contracts.

I never really went on a hiatus because I wasn't a frequent poster till this regime came along. When Reid and Dorsey were brought in I immediately bought in (although I almost went right back to being apathetic after the Smith trade).

Players bet on themselves all the time to get a bigger deal, but it's normally done instead of signing an extension and playing out the deal their currently on (HOuston and Hudson come to mind quickly).

Career-ending injury.

Yet you think that Howard was "smart" by betting on himself at age 29?

Pretzel logic.

I could see him taking a shorter deal with the chiefs for similar money, playing 2 more years in a system he knows and attempt to put up big numbers in order to leverage that to a bigger payday.

Guys are retiring earlier these days, but some are also playing longer.

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The key to the Chiefs decisions that loom next offseason is really Chris Jones, IMO.

If Jones shows that he can be a big time player and difference maker, let Poe go elsewhere and lock up Berry. If Jones is a letdown, may have to go the opposite.

Either way, I think one of them remains a Chief while the other does not.

Berry is gone.

Which is exactly why signing a 4 year deal, at age 27, worth $15 million guaranteed is a much more favorable deal than 2 years, $12 million with $8 million guaranteed.

No one is turning down $15 million versus $8 million to "bet on himself" in two years at age 29.

And hell, while the KC Star reported it as a 2 year, $12 million dollar deal, Spotrac and Over The Cap have it as a 2 year, $10 million dollar deal.

That sucks.

Why?

He's doing exactly what Bowe did before the 2012 season, right before we locked him up to a terrible contract in hindsight.

Jones isn't an NT, so if Poe walks, they've got Howard for a year and no one else.

That doesn't seem like a good plan.

Why? Because the Chiefs are smart enough not to pay a soon to be 29 year old safety, with more health risks than any other safety in the NFL, $12 million per year.

If a new regime comes in next year, maybe Berry is back.

There won't be and the current one just made the decision to not lock him up longterm. He's gone.

Guys are playing well into their 30's these days. I don't think the age is a big factor there.

We forget too how easily we could gain large amounts of cap space from extending Fisher, which I fully expect to happen sooner than later.

Idk man, Berry just now is hitting his prime from what we saw last year. I don't mind paying him into his low 30s.

As for the Poe/Jones thing, that's what I meant in saying that Jones would fill in at end while Howard replaced Poe. They could get something done with Howard again if need be or a replacement in the next two years.

And guys that have been paid top dollar are retiring in their late 20's.

We're going to see this more and more as concussion data is released to the public.

This year alone Megatron (30), Marshawn Lynch (30), Percy Harvin (28), Eugene Monroe (29), Jerrod Mayo (30) and a bunch of guys in their early 30's like Jared Allen, Greg Jennings, Heath Miller, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and more.

Isn't Jones listed as a NT?

I think thats a combination of skills declining due to injury and teams not wanting them anymore. Megatron is the only exception there.

I will say this, I'm not opposed to letting Berry walk IF you absolutely keep Poe.

It would resemble that Carolina approach, betting that a dominate front 7 can always cover up for lesser secondary play.

Paying a safety, a ****ing safety, $12 million per year is ludicrous. Do you believe a safety is worth more than Travis Kelce or Jeremy Maclin? Is
Eric Berry twice as good as Ron Parker?

Howard will be 29 when his deal expires in two years. If he's healthy, he'll be a rotational player, not an every down players. And it would be utterly ridiculous to give Eric Berry money that should have been allocated to Poe, because true NT's are much more difficult to find than a safeties.

I disagree. Marshawn Lynch would be a starter for half the teams in the league. D'Brick left a huge hole on the Jets line. Jared Allen could easily find work as a situational pass rusher (Arizona on Line 1) and so on.

While all of them may not be starters gaining the majority of snaps, they could all find a role.

But with tens of millions in the bank, why take the risk?

Maybe, but even then, you're talking about what, 0.01 percent of the league?

I don't think it's an epidemic. Maybe eventually.

I would agree with the majority of that, yeah. Does the FO? Time will tell

I'm really holding out hope that Eric Murray will turn out to be a gem at safety like I think he can.

He's versatile, too. Could be a nice combo with Parker.

The FO's belief in guys like that probably played a big role in the decision to not pay Berry.

He's going to be a good one. One of my favorite prospects from this years draft.

Rivers tends to do okay with a little pressure off the edges.

It's when you kill the middle that you destroy him. If Howard/Bailey/Poe/Jones disrupt up the middle like they're capable of, then Houston's absence will be felt, but perhaps not noticeably so.

The Chiefs can still wreck Rivers pretty easily given the personnel they should have available to them.

I think we saw last year that the defense is still more than capable of being damn good even without Houston.

My view on the situation is that in order to make a playoff run to the SB, yes we will need him. But in order to win some regular season games, the other guys should suffice in the meantime.

But Ford still needs to become consistent.

It's the beginning of an epidemic.

Patrick Willis (30), Jake Locker (26), Jason Worilds (27) and Chris Borland (24), BJ Raji (30), the Chiefs own Hussain Abdullah (just turned 31) and more.

What a ****ing dweeb.

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Tough, never missed a game/practice, very good open field tackler and solid in the intermediate routes.

He's got the resume to be a good box safety.

It's pretty interesting that with the two picks we got from our trade downs, we chose the two guys with the best chance to make an impact year one.

Getting out of the hospital today going to camp tomorrow I'm pumped!

Not Chiefs related, but I thought this was pretty funny and an accurate response to the dumbshit questions that get asked to EVERY coach: http://deadspin.com/https-twitter-co...971-1784511955

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More like he looks ready for his Village People audition

Looks like he's ready for a Wal-Mart trip down here in Arkansas.

Aldon Smith checked himself into rehab. LMAO

I wouldn't limit him to just a box safety, the dude did play corner in college after all.

He could probably do about anything they ask.

Great signing

Which is exactly why I think Dorsey is loading up on corners that are great tacklers. If Gaines and Nelson work out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Russell used at safety either. Especially if they're confident in White as a backup.

I wouldn't use him as an outside CB, but I would use him as a slot CB if Nelson doesn't work out.

I think they'll roll with MP22, Gaines, Nelson, Russell and White at CB and keep Murray at SS

Wow. I remembered that wrong. It was their LT that was the backup. My mistake.
But I stand by the point that a guy who had one good game vs a guy who was that bad is no way to judge how good that guy can be.
I hope Ford can turn into something, and was encouraged by that game because he showed better than ever exhibition action, but it was no definitive show of his ability. It was a speed guy running around a slow-footed back up.

We've got Peters, Gaines, Nelson, Russell, White at CB under contract for at least the next 2 years, most of them 3-4. At safety, you've got Parker and Murray under contract for the next several years and then a bunch of one-year guys.

So really, we don't have any sure replacements for Berry already on the roster. Hopefully Murray is that guy, and maybe Fleming or Cooper show promise, but there's not a lot of clear cut answers on the back end right now or going forward.

Very much looking forward to what these guys show come preseason.

I go back and forth on this topic quite a bit but based on what we know, our most valuable, irreplaceable players on the roster heading into this season would go like this for me:

1. Smith
2. Peters
3. Kelce
4. Houston (just because of how elite he is, think we have to have him come playoffs)
5. Maclin

Maclin is probably 1 a with smith.

Is that lipstick he's wearing?

He's up there, but I just have a lot more confidence in the WR depth now compared to years past.

Between Conley, Wilson, Hill, Streater, Williams... someone would surely step up and make some plays.

Marcus Peters makes me hard

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Awwwww yeeeeaaaahhhh

Thanks, Dante!

I would replace Williams with demarcus robinson I think this kid can become a great football player.

Yeah, forgot about him

Only concern about Robinson that bothered me was a pre-draft evaluation that indicated that he did not like going over the middle for balls. Never seen him play, so I have no idea if that's accurate or not, but receivers that are a bit bashful about going over the middle are worrisome. Other than that, the pre-draft talk was that the kid had some great receiver skills. Anyway, I'm holding out high hopes for this guy; we could use another dynamic receiver.

Good news. Joey Bosa not reporting to Chargers camp due to contract issues.

I don't see a quote button when I go to that link. I do not have an account so I am not logged in. Is that why I don't see a quote button?

If a mod or daface could embed the thing for me, it would sure be swell.

Dinny

I think he meant when you quoted him here on CP you would see the code. You can use the following by putting a < at the beginning and for some reason it also took out </script> at the end so you will need to add that.


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I tried.

Dinny

Well done! :thumb:

Aren't rookies basically slotted these days? What the hell is he holding out for?

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