I think Reid called that play because he knows Alex Smith can't throw a hail mary to save his life.

I didn't say it had to be a 54 yard kick'

Once again...

Kicker is healthy they bypass a 54 yard kick because of wind.

Kicker is healthy and they throw an int in the end zone, would have been a gimme fg.

Kicker gets hurt and you expect us to drive 40-50 yards in 2 minutes with no timeouts and automatically kick a fg in the same windy conditions. With the Same offense that took over 4 minutes to score a td on the previous drive.

You aren't making sense dude.

Two Td's. That's always enough.:rolleyes:

Exactly. The Bucs only punted twice. Pathetic D performance today.

I double took on your post. It's amazing to see how far Ford has come along that we consider him a huge loss when he's not on the field.

That's right. The defense played bad. But they still held them to 19 points. If our offense can't score 19 points, at home, they suck.

Jeez...you'd associate those numbers with an option QB in the NCAA who throws less than 20 passes a game, not a starting NFL QB. Wow.

Amen.

If the offense doesn't turn the ball over, the Chiefs kick the FG instead of coming up with the goose egg.

Only a total dipshit can't see that the defense actually played good; considering how long they were on the field, every time Alex went 3 and out, they went back out there, getting their shit pushed in like a slut on prom night, and somehow kept holding them to FGs, and only gave up 19 PTs. Penis Winston had 311 yards, ran the Bucs up and down the field, and yet had to settle for 4 FGs.

Only a truly inept offensive team can't score 20 points at home.

All the Chiefs had to do to get to 20 was not turn the ball over...

Agreed. The offense had a chance to pick up the D today and failed. Kelce's drop, Alex's INT, and missing some 3rd down chances. Alex's throw to Conley in double coverage when he could have ran for it was pretty bad. Not scoring a TD on the first drive killed what was an incredible amount of momentum to start the game.

The defenses horrid play today doesn't cancel out all that. We don't have to pick one thing to blame here. There is plenty to go around. Sutton sitting on his thumb and not bringing pressure, Andy still not knowing how a clock ****ing works, ect. The D caused the offense to not have enough plays, but the offense could have and should have done more with the big moments they had.

This is what is going to happen in the playoffs. Good teams are going to make us have to win a way we aren't used to. It isn't going to go to script, and this result is part of the concern some have. That off script, the coaches and stars aren't going to do enough.

correct, those are numbers are basically Carson Wentz's year 1 numbers in the NFL. Fresh out of college and Wentz stats so far are Alex Smith in year 11. Quite sad really.

That's why most teams spend premium draft picks on QBs who can transcend those off script situations, improvise, and make big plays happen anyway.

The only time the Chiefs have even tried in my lifetime was when they burned a 2nd on a guy named Matt Blundin, who iirc never took a snap while sitting behind Bono, Gannon, & Grbac.

Alex Smith blows.

So the games aren't rigged?

The defense was on the field so long because they only forced two punts the entire game.

And I want to be clear. I do think KC can go somewhere with this team. Problem is because our QB isn't likely to carry a team when the other parts are struggling we likely need....

1. Our coach to call a great game and manage a great game. Good chance that doesn't happen.

2. We convert in the redzone.

3. Alex plays his best and doesn't fall into a shell. Also needs to use his legs.He pushed the ball a few times, but overall this season isn't looking good.

4. Our D helps out. I think that could happen against all possible playoff teams except vs PIT or NE.

5. Better 2nd half adjustments than the other team.

6. Not be injured at key spots. Doesn't seem good.

There is reason to be concerned about those things happening. First things first is righting this ship.

Pretty sure "just the defense" wasn't what was intimated.

No it wasn't.

The argument is that Alex Smith bares his share of responsibility, and there are some that refuse to accept that.

Everyone bares responsibilty.

Andy Reid, Bob Sutton, Alex Smith and the offense, and the defense contributed to this losing effort.

I accept that. But I still think the D was far worse than Smith today.

I would agree.

If I had to rank the blame for this game it would be as follows:

1. Poor tackling-Players
2. Shit defensive plan-Coaching
3. Shit defensive calls-Coaching
4. Shit offensive calls in the red zone-Coaching
5. Dropped pass-Players (Kelce)
6. Bad INT- Players (Smith)
7. TO at end of 1st half-Coaching

Some people are crying about what we did in the last 8 seconds and that's just ****ing dumb. We had no shot at anything. No QB would have. That's where this board loses touch with reality sometimes. No one is scoring anything in 8 secs from their own 30 and no TO's.

No.. Alex Smith made a HORRIBLE throw right to Chris ****ing suck ass Conte....

That shit's gonna happen. There was plenty of time to come back and win. The defense allowed TB to score a TD after that INT. The defense didn't get a stop after we scored a TD and needed a FG.

That one play did not cost us the game at that point in time.

But they weren't - they gave up less than 20 pts.

Alex threw a red zone pick in the fourth qtr that was essentially a 14 point swing - at the LEAST, Santos gets 3.

20 points is all it took to beat the Bucs at home, and all Alex has to do is NOT turn the ball over. That's all. Even as bad as the defense was today, even though Penis Winston threw for 300 yards...they still gave the offense a chance to win.

This is the worst this defense will play all year, hobbled as they were...

All it would've taken was 20 points...and the offense couldn't even manage that's

At home.

Pathetic.

Did we even blitz today? I swear today was like watching a classic RAC 3-4.

one blitz.....

Love this post.

I feel better now.

Thank you SR.

That's terrible and I don't understand it at all.

Win as a team, lose as a team. We pay far too much money for Maclin, Berry, Houston, Tamba, Schwartz, Smith and DJ to not make an impact on a regular basis. I argue that Jones, Sorenson, Peters, Hill have brought more to the table this year than our vets.

Red is always chill lol

At that point, the defense hadn't stopped them all day, Penis was throwing up and down the field at will...the defense had been hanging on for dear life and kept it close by forcing field goals.

At some point, your offense needs to grow a pair, step the **** up, string some first downs together, let the defense rest, and...I don't know, maybe SCORE A ****ING TOUCHDOWN IN THE FOURTH QUARTER FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF RELYING ON DEFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS EVERY ****ING WEEK!

The defense single handedly took the game over and won last week. Maybe you missed that.

You can't rely on that every week. At some point, the offense needs to be...productive. Duh.

Don't forget Smith

First red zone interception in almost 30 games. Have some respect for yourself rather than smothering your dumbshittery on this forum.

Holy shit Tiger said something I agree with.

Houston got hurt so he gets a pass

Maclin was not hurt at the start of the season and still look like crap.

That's awesome

It's the same horseshit Sutton called against NE in the playoffs last year.

dude, we only had like 2, 3 and outs today and that was in the first half. The defense didn't get a single 3 and out. TB ran over 20 plays more than the Chiefs. And a lot of that was because they defense couldn't get themselves off the field. It isn't like we were going out there on offense and going 3 and out, drive after drive after drive. Cause we weren't. We actually moved the ball rather well on offense. And we did score a TD in the 4th. Just sayin....

When the offense fails to break 20 points against one of the worst defenses in the entire NFL at home, it's a huge problem.

Guys, this isn't an issue about a single game. This is a pattern. KC's offense is terrible.

KC giving up gobs of yards and few points is also a trend, but it's less alarming than the offense's inability to score points.

You aren't going to win many games by scoring 17 points.

Period. Full stop.

It was bad. Compounded by shit tackling. We had so many tackles for losses and or little\no gain that we just whiffed. Not wrapping up or something. It killed us. Literally. It allowed TB so extend drive after drive after drive.

And Sutton did absolutely nothing to generate pressure on Winston.

Despite the defense playing like ass they still didn't allow more then 20 points. this offense couldn't score 20 at home. This is all on the offense. Alex Smith did not get it done. He's played 2 quarters of good football all season and that's it There is a reason why he's ranked in the bottom of the league in most passing statistics. He's just not good.

17 points

At home

Against Tampa ****ing Bay

Isn't good enough

Period.

I don't get this. There was time left so the INT wasn't terrible? The play also gave them 55 yards that helped set up their TD.

Even if we go with this, how can you have the Kelce drop as worse than the Smith INT. It happened way earlier in the game, which to your argument, gave us plenty of time. We also got points out of that drive and didn't set up the other team on our own 45. The play also didn't suck the air out of the stadium and punch the defense emotionally in the gut.

I remember one resulting in a holding call. Horrible tactics IMO considering that we weren't getting there.

It's funny when you think about it?

Even despite the Chiefs playing bad, they were in this game all along. We could knock on the defense, offense but what this loss really boils down to was terrible decision making.

I'm with most folks in that the offensive playcalling was bad, what pains the most was Reid opting to not kick the 54 yard field goal but rather punt and pin Tampa in their own end.

It worked but what if Santos hits that 54 yard field goal? Turns out, that's the difference in the game. Reid not going for the field goal cost us this game. Chiefs didn't lose just because they played bad, they lost because of their conservative approach.

I've noticed something they all have in common...

Something...

If Alex doesn't throw that INT, then Santos kicks a FG and we win.

OR

if Reid doesn't call TO at the end of the 1st half, then Tampa doesn't have time to score at the end of the half.

Or we kick the fg and the bucs drive down the field and kick the fg to win. .like they did all day

So swap the int and the kelcr drop....

There were over 12 minutes left in the game when we threw that int. Even if they drove right down and scored we had time to score again.

I mean they moved the ball at will all day, right?

According to you we would never have scored .... you need to make up your mind. Either the offense would have scored or they wouldn't have.

Congratulations. .you have successfully taken both sides of your own argument

You're not going to win many games giving up 24 first downs, allowing the other team to convert 68% of 3rd downs, and allowing the other team to have the ball for 35 minutes.

Period. Full stop.

We did score after that dipshit.

Again.
We threw an int. Inside the ten instead of getting a fg

They scored a td off a short field after the int return.

We scored a td.

We lost by 2.

The td we scored took over 4 minutes in a hurry up against a prevent style d.

At one point we bypassed a 54 yard fg Because of wind.

You think it's given we would go down the field and score in two minutes with a hurt fg kicker.

I disagree.


Did I cover everything?

Yeah, you've gone from can't score to can score....really well

We were inside the 5 and threw an int into double coverage.

No turn over and a good fg and we win this game.

Their t.o.p., and first downs, and 3rd down conversion percentage still doesn't win them the game

They did score **** head. I'm not taking that off the board.

But I'm not betting on them doing it in two minutes.

You are acting like it's a givenROFL.

Still have your timeouts and a fighting chance to score the Fg to win.

As opposed to Reid's patented 4 minute hurry up, guaranteed to lose the game for you ROFL

I put Sauto on ignore along with a few others: cupid, oak, dagna, pest, tuck, nwo, OTW . CP is much more enjoyable since I've done that.

And so are you, just the opposite. You are all over the place. We scored but we can't score. I got it...

we had our to's and the 2 min warning after we scored the td...how'd that work out?

I've been very clear.

Even given clear common sense reasons, not sure why you are being a ****ing dumb ass today.

We scored. It took over 4 minutes.

I'm not betting we are going to do it again in two with no time outs.

Pretty clear what I'm saying here pete

I think it's a must. But really my point was that it was obvious which was worse. That you put it the other way is probably why people accuse you of going out of your way to defend Smith more than he deserves.

that was for a td...not a fg

You're right; ReidSmith would've just shit the bed again if the defense HAD been able to get a stop by some miracle.

What a giant ball of Ebolaids filled with pure undiluted antifreeze suck. Aids-filled dumpster fire.

You could always become a Pats fan and be happier...

Well, when you consider that the quickest ReidSmith can score is 4 minutes, then the game was essentially over once we hit 7:59 left in the 4th.

Has it been confirmed if Santos was available for a final FG? Didn't he kick the extra point? KCChiefs.com seems to be slow on releasing quotes for some strange reason. It's like a Nazi propagandists.

Again with that.

We bypassed a 54 yard fg with a healthy kicker due to wind. If we had started from the 30 you think we were going to get 45-50 yards and kick a fg with an injured kicker in the same conditions. All in under two minutes with no time outs?

Come on man that is no where near a given with this offense. You act as though it is.

I'm not that confused.

I'll just stop watching altogether, thanks. Which isn't far off at this point.

What a waste of a Sunday. **** Clark Hunt. **** the Kansas City Chiefs.

****ing vampires. I open my closet and I feel like an idiot for giving them so much money. I heard they raised parking...again. I wouldn't know, because I quit giving that rich ****ing asshole my money. About to quit giving him my time/ratings demographic/what the **** ever

JFC, this is crazy. We took 4 mins to score a TD. All we would have needed was a FG. Forget...you guys are right...our defense who's shortest drive all game, was a 9 play drive allowing a FG, has no blame in this loss. :rolleyes:

He kicked the extra point and got injured on the kick off is what they said in game

Someone is super butt hurt. I'll hold you to your promise.

K. Thanks. Bye.

The defense definitely had a part in this, but the offense should have still won.

They had the chances.

The wind in the 3Q, which is when we didn't go for it, is not the same in the 4th when we are going the other way. And you keep going back to this having to be a 54 yard kick.

Again, you are all over the map. If your argument was even incoherent you would be light years ahead of where you are now.

Santos is hurt now? Damn this team is snake bitten with injuries.

I have no faith that Smith could've even led a late FG drive, had he even had the time. He throws no-look, one-read INTs into the end zone...

Point is, they constantly held on, keeping Tampa to FGs instead of TDs...keeping it within reach. Held them to 19. God forbid the offense actually step up, do their job and score more points than the other team.

I've never said it had to be a 54 yard kick.

I've explained my argument multiple times, very clearly.

You just keep making things up. Me saying it had to be a 54 yard kick at the end is a case in point

Hint: I never once did.

Hate to pour it on but, yeah, this is a trend.

On a perfect weather day, at home, against one of the worst defenses in the league, great pass protection, and the running game doing well, our offense failed to out up 20 points.

That is ****ing pathetic. Our offense is ****ing pathetic and it's a direct extension of lackluster QB play.

No, you just keep using to choose not kicking a 54 yard FG into the wind in the 3rd Q, down by 1 as your crutch for not being able to kick a FG of unknown distance with the wind at your back in the 4th Q to win the game.

Yeah, that's what you said

I think there was like one offensive holding call all game combined.....at least in the first half. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. Winston was barely touched as a result. Smith didn't take a sack.

The only issue is that if a game is going to be called like that...it a distinct dis-advantage for a team with the better pass rush. I saw at least 3 overt muggings that should have been a 10 yard penalty.

That is one way a team gets off the field on 3rd downs.

Have to give Winston credit too...he was sharp today.

Sutton brought little of anything up the middle. Never sent any safeties or CB's on blitzes. This was about as blah of a game plan is it gets.

Doubt forget that the kicker was healthy in the first instance and injured in the second also.
Convenient to leave that out

You have yet to detail the extent of said injury......