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Hammock Parties 09-20-2017 12:58 PM

Chiefs’ Laurent Duvernay-Tardif has taken another step forward


https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...uvernay-tardif

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Let’s look at the numbers than talk about what LDT did against the Eagles.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dIFF...527/Chiefs.png

I cannot state this strongly enough: LDT was absolutely fantastic against the Eagles. He was the best offensive lineman on the field for Kansas City (even better than my guy Mitch Morse, due to a couple of losses Morse took in pass protection).

Like I indicated before, a loss percentage below 10 percent is acceptable to me as an average. Against good competition I expect that number to climb a bit. LDT posted a phenomenal 5.7 percent loss percentage, which would be great against even a bad team. Against a front like the Eagles? That’s unreal.

ToxSocks 09-20-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 13092142)
Dude's a :o)

Worse than CoMo. Ive never seen a poster be so wrong so often.

O.city 09-20-2017 01:06 PM

Now if they can just get the LG spot good we'll be gtg

DaneMcCloud 09-20-2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13093321)
Now if they can just get the LG spot good we'll be gtg

I think Witzmann will be better as the season progresses but it would be nice if Ehinger could come back and beat him out at the position.

But considering he's been inactive, it might be a while before he's able to challenge for the position.

O.city 09-20-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13093328)
I think Witzmann will be better as the season progresses but it would be nice if Ehinger could come back and beat him out at the position.

But considering he's been inactive, it might be a while before he's able to challenge for the position.

Yeah I think they'll keep him out as long as they can until he's fully ready to go

Hoover 09-20-2017 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13091908)
I wish we could get the full story on why he was let go. Was he a big pain in the ass? Was he as just that bad at managing the cap and/or player egos?

They way things are going in Indy we might be able to get Ballard back.

I know its early, but I really think Veach is the right guy. I've not been impressed with Ballard in Indy, I know its not an ideal situation, but damn what a mess. I really like what Veach did with Ragland and Erving. We get Ragland for two more years on his rookie deal, and Erving one. When you are positioning the team for super bowls finding young talent on the cheap is necessary. Especially as we straighten out our cap.

DaneMcCloud 09-20-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13093337)
We get Ragland for two more years on his rookie deal, and Erving one.

Erving was drafted in 2015. The Chiefs have two more years on his rookie deal and the 5th year option.

Ragland was drafted in 2016. His rookie deal won't expire until after the 2019 season.

Marcellus 09-20-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13091908)
I wish we could get the full story on why he was let go. Was he a big pain in the ass? Was he as just that bad at managing the cap and/or player egos?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13091911)
There are plenty of articles that provide the full story.

Breer, Jason Cole, Mellinger, Paylor, etc. and so on.

Those articles give a picture of a GM and an Owner who didn't see eye to eye on many things.

I honestly don't see what difference it makes though if you have all the details, he is gone and that's that. :shrug:

Hoover 09-20-2017 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13093340)
Erving was drafted in 2015. The Chiefs have two more years on his rookie deal and the 5th year option.

Ragland was drafted in 2016. His rookie deal won't expire until after the 2019 season.

Do we get the option years? Granted I was looking at over the cap and not the Sportrac, if so its even better.

Pitt Gorilla 09-20-2017 01:34 PM

Anyone recall why we let David Irving go?

DJ's left nut 09-20-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 13093378)
Anyone recall why we let David Irving go?

Didn't think he was ready, tried to slip him onto the PS and failed.

That was a tough loss for sure but I think they ended up using the roster spot on RNR so it was mitigated somewhat.

Hoover 09-20-2017 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 13093378)
Anyone recall why we let David Irving go?

I'm as big of a David Irving guy as you will find, but frankly we didn't have much space on the roster for him. At the time you had Howard AND Bailey, and you just drafted Jones. Plus I think he's more natural as a 43 DE. But I'm not a defensive expert and could be totally wrong.

DJ's left nut 09-20-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13093390)
I'm as big of a David Irving guy as you will find, but frankly we didn't have much space on the roster for him. At the time you had Howard AND Bailey, and you just drafted Jones. Plus I think he's more natural as a 43 DE. But I'm not a defensive expert and could be totally wrong.

We drafted Jones in '16; lost Irving in 15.

They could've moved on from DeVito but the run defense had been so spotty after DJ went down in '14 that I can see why they didn't want to do so.

It was an unfortunate loss but pretty defensible at the time.

DaneMcCloud 09-20-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13093360)
Do we get the option years? Granted I was looking at over the cap and not the Sportrac, if so its even better.

All first round selections come with the 5th year option.

Rounds 2-7 are three year contracts with Exclusive Rights for Year 4.

So, the Chiefs have Ragland until the end of the 2019 season and Erving until the end of the 2018 season.

I would be surprised if the Chiefs picked up the 5th year option on Erving, unless he became a very good starter between now and the end of 2018.

DJ's left nut 09-20-2017 02:06 PM

With Schwartz well under market value through 2020 (seriously, Dorsey !@#$ing stole that guy) and Fisher young/improving and also under contract through 2021, I'm not sure Erving will ever get an opportunity to show whether or not he can really be counted on as a starter.

And he's proven he isn't worth spit at C (lord he's been bad). So unless he somehow flashes at G, which seems unlikely given his inability to keep his damn pads down - I just don't see any way he's getting an option picked up.

Hoover 09-20-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13093460)
With Schwartz well under market value through 2020 (seriously, Dorsey !@#$ing stole that guy) and Fisher young/improving and also under contract through 2021, I'm not sure Erving will ever get an opportunity to show whether or not he can really be counted on as a starter.

And he's proven he isn't worth spit at C (lord he's been bad). So unless he somehow flashes at G, which seems unlikely given his inability to keep his damn pads down - I just don't see any way he's getting an option picked up.

well if you have not noticed besides the Tard we are always rotating guys in a guard, I think Irving will get an opportunity to stick.

O.city 09-20-2017 02:19 PM

He's probably the swing tackle.

And he's not Jah Reid

Win win

DaneMcCloud 09-20-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13093460)
And he's proven he isn't worth spit at C (lord he's been bad). So unless he somehow flashes at G, which seems unlikely given his inability to keep his damn pads down - I just don't see any way he's getting an option picked up.

Agreed.

The 5th year option all but precludes the Chiefs from picking it up, unless he makes a monstrous transformation.

But if he ascends, it's possible that he's re-signed as a backup/swing player.

RunKC 09-20-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13093328)
I think Witzmann will be better as the season progresses but it would be nice if Ehinger could come back and beat him out at the position.

But considering he's been inactive, it might be a while before he's able to challenge for the position.

We were the only team that put a claim in for Witzmann. The only team that wanted this guy and look at him now?

Goddamn is Andy and this staff good at developing players.

DaneMcCloud 09-20-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13093464)
well if you have not noticed besides the Tard we are always rotating guys in a guard, I think Irving will get an opportunity to stick.

That's because the Chiefs haven't "hit" on a left guard.

Jeff Allen was always injured and allowed to walk, Mike McGlynn was an epic disaster, Ben Grubbs was an awful trade (and Cap Hit).

Jah Reid, Donald Stephenson and Zach Fulton weren't the answer and while Ehinger showed promise early last year, he missed 11 regular season games and hasn't fully recovered from his ACL tear.

Once that position is solidified, the line will be absolutely phenomenal (when healthy).

Hoover 09-20-2017 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13093515)
That's because the Chiefs haven't "hit" on a left guard.

Jeff Allen was always injured and allowed to walk, Mike McGlynn was an epic disaster, Ben Grubbs was an awful trade (and Cap Hit).

Jah Reid, Donald Stephenson and Zach Fulton weren't the answer and while Ehinger showed promise early last year, he missed 11 regular season games and hasn't fully recovered from his ACL tear.

Once that position is solidified, the line will be absolutely phenomenal (when healthy).

Nice perspective. Thanks.

Amazing to think about what that would mean to the office. Damn.

I'm giddy thinking about the future of this team.

RealSNR 09-20-2017 04:02 PM

Am I the only person who thinks Witzmann isn't that bad? He's a clear upgrade from Fulton at G.

We can do far worse. Yes, we should seek to upgrade if we can, but right now the dude costs nothing and is doing a lot of things right.

DJ's left nut 09-20-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13093661)
Am I the only person who thinks Witzmann isn't that bad? He's a clear upgrade from Fulton at G.

We can do far worse. Yes, we should seek to upgrade if we can, but right now the dude costs nothing and is doing a lot of things right.

I like him. Solid athlete and generally sound technically. Can get beat by power but WTF do you want from a virtually free starting guard?

He's fine. If he's the worst player on your OL (playing likely the least important position on your OL), you have a damn good OL.

O.city 09-20-2017 04:05 PM

He's not bad. I hope ehinger is better as he seemed to have a little more nasty to his game.

DaneMcCloud 09-20-2017 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13093661)
Am I the only person who thinks Witzmann isn't that bad? He's a clear upgrade from Fulton at G.

We can do far worse. Yes, we should seek to upgrade if we can, but right now the dude costs nothing and is doing a lot of things right.

I don't think that Witzmann is "bad", at all. He's a relatively young guy, in terms of playing at this level (he spent his college years at South Dakota State), but he tends to make mistakes when he's flustered.

As I mentioned earlier, he'll only continue to get better this season and the good thing is that if he continues on this trajectory, the Chiefs have him on the cheap in 2018 as well.

JakeF 09-20-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13093661)
Am I the only person who thinks Witzmann isn't that bad? He's a clear upgrade from Fulton at G.

We can do far worse. Yes, we should seek to upgrade if we can, but right now the dude costs nothing and is doing a lot of things right.

If he would just stop with the penalties. Overall I think he's a solid prospect at guard.

RealSNR 09-20-2017 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13093706)
If he would just stop with the penalties. Overall I think he's a solid prospect at guard.

He had a false start and a holding call last game. That's it.

It's not like he's Garrett Bolles or anything like that.

OnTheWarpath15 09-20-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13093667)
I like him. Solid athlete and generally sound technically. Can get beat by power but WTF do you want from a virtually free starting guard?

He's fine. If he's the worst player on your OL (playing likely the least important position on your OL), you have a damn good OL.

This.

NJChiefsFan 01-21-2018 06:44 PM

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...0-35c55844bf41

Add Olympic broadcaster to his extensive resume.

Bowser 01-21-2018 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13374905)
http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...0-35c55844bf41

Add Olympic broadcaster to his extensive resume.

I drive a truck for a living and have beaten the new Wolfenstein game on "easy". **** this overachieving Canadian doctor.

MONTREALchiefsfan 01-21-2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13374961)
I drive a truck for a living and have beaten the new Wolfenstein game on "easy". **** this overachieving Canadian doctor.

You have to understand he is a huge inspiration for all young football players around Canada and he is popular out here so its logical tha tv networks would try to make money with him

RINGLEADER 01-21-2018 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MONTREALchiefsfan (Post 13375100)
You have to understand he is a huge inspiration for all young football players around Canada and he is popular out here so its logical tha tv networks would try to make money with him

He also speaks fluent frog so this makes sense.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-21-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13374961)
I drive a truck for a living and have beaten the new Wolfenstein game on "easy". **** this overachieving Canadian doctor.

You're hired!


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