#28 in total defense, #29 in passing yards, #25 in rushing yards... how much worse is it going to get?

Does it matter if you go from #28 to #32?

Either way, your team isn't going anywhere until you get a defense built from the ground up.

Better than every single nfl reporter.

Take away all of Peters turnover plays and tell me how many wins that takes away.

2003 says hi.

Well, when the player himself corroborated key parts of the story that weren't public knowledge, it makes you lean back and think, "hmm, maybe that poster DOES know something after all."

So you think Clark makes this decision in a vacuum? Do you believe he didn't discuss this with Veach and Reid as well? Seriously?

This has already been covered by the way, Clark wasn't in favor of giving him a 2nd contract that's what started this and guess what, MOST people agree not to give him a 2nd contract. What does that tell you?

I don't think this is what happened but frankly if Hunt couldn't stand the guy, its his prerogative to get rid of him. He owns the team, deal with it.

Hilarious watching you get on your soap box and preach your SJW nonsense.

QFT

This. They can blow this defense completely up and start 11 new players and odds are they wouldn't do any worse. The fact they have 5 players who are legitimate starters means they're almost half way to having a good defense. Moving malcontents and sub-par performers are how you improve.

Are all the games like the one Peters was suspended from?

I’m almost 50 and I break out my Chiefs Joe Montana for every big game. I barely remember the last big Chief playoffs games in my early 20’s. Win at all costs is where we are at, but that’s not where the Chiefs organization is. This trade proves it. Jeff Chadia said yesterday on 810 that if the Chiefs are in the business of trading a Marcus Peters then they aren’t in the business of winning Chanpionships. We all know that since they haven’t won a Super Bowl in almost 50 years. Nick Wright was visibly upset this morning over this trade this morning on his show “First things First.” I didn’t realize he is from KC and if you check his Twitter it looks like he’s married to a sister. He went so far as to question his Chiefs fandom as some us here are doing. I take a lot of crap here in Chicago for being a non-Bears fan. A hell of a lot. Now I’m questioning whether it’s worth the $$$ i spend paying overpriced direct tv for out of market games and the crap I have to hear whenever I go out of my house in Chiefs gear. All to fund and organization and owner who wants their black players to stand when told to and shut up and play without an opinion. Last time I checked football players are also college educated young people so those type of folks generally have some type of opinion. My parents certainly did when they march in the civil rights movement down in the Jim-Crow south when they were in college in the 60’s. But it’s all right if your white like Travis Kelce. Matter fact you get an extension and a raise. Maybe MP thought he could get away just like Kelce in our colorblind, post racial society. Well he found out he was wrong and got traded for a bag of chips. It’s a clear double standard and if you can’t see that your blind baby, blind to the fact. I’m sure I’ll be banned by the mods again for this post so Chief out

Yeah but then it could also be said; take away Alex Smith who was great at preventing turnovers and tell me how many wins that takes away?

They lost two of their better players that contributed to a better turnover margin. Whatever. This team is somewhat in a rebuilding phase now anyway.

Yep, probably a form letter mandated by the NFL. :rolleyes:

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This has everything to do with the conversation at hand. People were grumbling about players sitting and kneeling. But this shit didn't really blow up until Trump decided to turn it into a wedge issue with his base. I know at least a dozen people who swore off watching the NFL *after* that speech. One literally burned $100s worth of NFL gear and posted the video on FB.

FWIW - I am on record on this forum saying no way do you pay Peters a big contract. I'd be fine with trading him for fair value. But this trade is horseshit for two cheap years out of one of the best cover corners in the NFL. If guys like Houston, Jones and Berry can't contain one locker room malcontent for a couple years, then we have much bigger problems in that locker room that ejecting Peters isn't going to solve.

I firmly believe a big chunk of Clark forcing this trade is because of this NFL kneeling scandal - which Trump helped blow up just when it was starting to fall off the radar.

Language!!!!

What about the recent Jay Ajayi example in Philadelphia?

Miami gave up on Ajayi and traded him for similar reasons that the Chiefs are giving up on Marcus Peters... he was supposedly a locker room cancer, etc.

Ajayi goes on to be a key part of the Eagles Super Bowl run while the Dolphins were sitting at home watching.

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There is a rumor that Peters got into an altercation with Toub after the Jets game, though what I've seen just says an 'altercation', not specifically that he took a swing at Toub. That may be what BossChief is referring to.

This reads like Ajayi would have led Miami to the Super Bowl instead they got rid of him and Philly went because of him instead.

Maybe the change of scenery was good for the guy? Maybe he was annoying as hell in Philly too? Maybe winning was better for him than losing was? Maybe he hated living near a topless beach and preferred ice cold winters.

Or maybe a better coaching staff/team culture made it work with a high maintenance player.

The Dolphins are a loser culture much like Clark's franchise.

How are the Chiefs a loser culture?

Then why do you still follow them?

So why weren't these teams with "winning cultures" interested in trading for a 25 year old All Pro CB and making it work?

1 playoff win in 20+ years.

Zero Super Bowl appearances in 40+ years.

To annoy dumbshit True Fans such as yourself.

Does that really need to even be asked?

True Fans look at the Chiefs culture that has produced 1 playoff win (against a team with Brian Hoyer at QB) in 20+ years and zero Super Bowl appearances in 40+ years and see success.

Well there you have it. Dumbshit is trolling to troll by self admission.

Time to romper this asshole

I think loser culture is a little harsh. But let's be real about what our culture is. It's safe. We love game managers at qb. We love polite, lunch pail players who work hard and if we're totally honest, work hard on the field but are pretty emotionless. Our players read interviews like they're off scripts. They don't question their coaches even though, watching Reid's decision making maybe they should. We don't like to fire coaches. And our owner doesn't like to rock the boat.

This whole experience questions confirms that this is just who we are. And strong hints that we want to go back to the pioli boy scout route. Thank God for mahomes.

If Peters was so great...how come no playoff wins?

I'm a True Fan?

Explain.

Absolute bullshit. Reid has shown time and time again he doesn't give a **** about what you do or have done as long as you help him win games. Vick and Hill are testament to that.

More like this is the newest reason.

Pat Mahomes ended that philosophy and thank God for that.

Over 95% of players do this shit come the **** on.

I wanted Andy fired, but you can understand why he’s still here. (Developing Mahomes, back-to-back division titles).

Tyreek Hill and Marcus Peters throw that accusation in the trash. Pioli would have never drafted those guys.

Exactly. Which is why KC should package Kelce and Hill together for a few draft picks who can win a playoff game.

Tyreek hill had character issues. He is not loud and obnoxious on the field. We've rarely had a ray Lewis or a Richard Sherman guy who gets fired up on defense. I love dj, berry, and Houston, but those are as quiet of leaders as you're going to get.

The old reid teams used to have nasty shit talkers like John Runyan. Lots of vocal defensive leaders. Swagger guys like McNabb and DeSean Jackson. We don't seem to have swagger and we get pushed around. Maybe mahomes changes that. Who will be that presence on defense?

When did true fans morph from people who never ever ever wanted to draft a QB to people who disagree with you?

Who cares about that? Outside of Jalen Ramsay of the Jaguars, there isn't a single player like that on the 4 teams that were in conference championship games.

You're going to be so disappointed with the next 10-12 years.

You only show up to bitch when something happens you don't like.

Go back to x box you stuttering slob.

Still ****ing waiting, you mouth breather.

Prove to me that I'm a True Fan.

You are a gutless homer who blindly supports the Chiefs without any reality based perspective.

Your inability to view this Marcus Peters fiasco for what it is... a failure by the Chiefs organization that makes them worse is Exhibit A of the fact you are a True Fan homer.

Is that clear enough for you?

ROFL

I said it was a failure from the ****ing beginning, you ****tard. I wasn't happy with it then and I'm not happy with it now. The difference between you and I is.....is that you're on here wiping your bloody vagina all over the place and I'm discussing other things.

LMAO Good grief.

The Hunt family has a history of allow mediocre play without firing anyone. Carl Peterson went for years of 9-7 play with the full support of the Hunts. It was only when he got embarrassed by the Monday Night Meltdown etc that he did something.

Andy Reid can stay here forever without winning a damn thing as long as the Hunts aren't embarrassed and the money keeps flowing.

We had a chance to have 2 really quality CBs in Peters and Fuller. The real reason we wanted a CB back in the Alex Smith trade was because they knew that Peters was gone.

You can almost count on the fact that if we pick up big talent somewhere that we will let big talent go too. :shake:

Gain talent, lose talent, 2 steps forward, 2 steps back

Hunts are never worried about ever being elite, just "Good Enough"


Hunt knows that the fans will drool over Mahomes for a couple of years so that will allow the Chiefs to basically coast for awhile.

Rebuild Time!!! :#


and yes Hunt is a Trumpster, which means the kneeling thing could very will be a big part of why Peters is gone.

Yeah, man. We totally traded away Peters because we just didn't feel like having an elite defensive backfield. It has nothing to do with his rapidly deteriorating behavior. It was all because Clark is butthurt about him kneeling ( even though Houston and Kelce both have done the same thing during the season.)

Are you ****ing kidding me?

1989: 8-7-1
1990: 11-5
1991: 10-6
1992: 10-6
1993: 11-5 (AFC Championship)
1994: 9-7
1995: 13-3
1996: 9-7
1997: 13-3
1998: 7-9 (Monday Night Meltdown year)

You're either a troll or just dumb as ****.

Probably both.

:facepalm:

The money will ALWAYS FLOW, due to the TV contracts and new media deals the NFL continue to make each year.

Stadium attendance and concessions are a pittance.

The people saying "true fans" and claim they're the "real" fans because they tell it like it is, while saying things about Hunt demanding mediocrity are worse than any homer. They're dishonest. They tell us how much the Chiefs suck and how they'll always fail while Hunt is in charge yet are still here, and they must follow the team, otherwise how do they know so much about what a backwards franchise this is?

If I truly felt the team was hopeless under Hunt and made me miserable, I'd have given up years ago and started following the Saints or something.

I guess you don't understand what it's like to be "born" into a team and not really have much choice.

You want talk about worse ... you could switch.

Would a "True Fan" openly wish for the Chiefs starting QB to suffer a career ending injury? Because I'm pretty sure Pest did that...repeatedly.

EDIT: **** it, you're banned now, not that you can read this.

Is this not all you need to know to ban this asshat? Adds nothing to conversation. Constantly spouts ridiculous opinions that are so easily refuted that they become noxious.

It's like arguing with a moldy pecan pie.

Holy crap, he got banned for posting that?

What exactly are the rules for getting banned?

In case I wasn't clear, KCChiefsFan88 was banned from this thread. He's been trolling it up for some time now. Anyone who has followed Pest at all would know he's far from a "true fan", whatever that is.

Hence why I found his post funny. He's a ****ing idiot though.

To further address your question, he was banned for the item in bold below.

**** No.

Keep him the hell out of there.

He's been trolling since the Peters trade was announced

Carl got fired after the Herm Edwards fiasco. That happened years and years after the Monday Night Meltdown. Unless by "did something" you meant letting Carl let Marty go and hire Goonther.

He probably regretted firing Carl after all the banners that flew in the following years.

I failed to read through the entire thread so if what I'm about to say has already been stated, whip my ass as you will. Watching Whitlock's Fox show Speak for Yourself yesterday, Jason said something on the order of: "Peters was a good to excellent player on most Sundays but his attitude and mouth was a pain in the ass for the locker room, coaches and owner Monday-Saturday." He went on to say it was good that the Chiefs moved on from Peters. I agree.

When some fans figured out it was more fun for them to pick fights with other fans than to actually follow the team.

There's a reason Claynus is both the most loved and most hated poster in CP history. We reward trolls.

No worries. Nobody listens to that hack around here anyways.

Oh gee...Dallas was one of the 14 teams exposed for taking money from the DOD for their fake anthem celebrations. No wonder he is so faux-outraged...he respects the shit out of that flag when getting paid for it. Are all these billionaire owners creeps?

I guess when you have a covert contract with the Government to push fake patriotism...you have to force your employee's to comply in the sham. The fact Jones references "paid performers on a stage" pretty much sums up what it really is...military propaganda for profit.

If the blm anthem protest/kneeling really bothered Hunt, he shouldve just told Peters to knock it off from day1. Clark needs to be a boss. Sounds like hes kind of a pushover.

Its not free speech when youre on company time. Peters is an employee of the Chiefs org. He couldve just told Peters to protest on his own time, and not on Chiefs time or on Chiefs property. That couldve been the end of it.

Either way..Chiefs took a gamble and it failed. Chiefs brass didnt like Peters attitude or the altercations he had with coaches and didnt want to make Peters the highest paid cb in the league. Would his behavior worsen and production slip once hes paid a shit load of money? Top it all off with the fact that Peters wants to live/play out west, the Chiefs were most certainly to lose the FA war with him.

Chiefs probably didnt want him being a Raider either so they prevented that from happening as well.

The fact Hunt in under indictment for ripping off the tax payers in New Mexico...ON TOP OF being exposed for taking government payments for staged displays of patriotism...is a FAR worse act of disrespect than anything Peters could dream up....unless he lit an eagle on fire.

If you're white, privileged, wear a tie and have billions...you get a free pass in the public sphere. You can lie and steal at will. If you're black and take a knee...you're a horrible American

I have to say, I literally laughed out loud when I saw that post.

That dude is a ****ing moron.

Trolling infers that you know what you are saying is bullshit, his dumb ass actually believes what he was posting.

Aaaaand *poof* , you're banned from the thread.

LMAO

He's been like since the day he joined. Everything's negative, the Chiefs suck, the Hunts suck, etc. and so on.

He just admitted to trolling so I'm pretty sure his entire shtick is an act, which is pathetic, in and of itself.

I actually agree and I obviously don't care if players kneel. I think kraft and Jerry Jones did it in a way that was respectful. I have a feeling behind closed doors it was more a conversation of "we will help you advocate your cause, all I ask is that you stand for the anthem."

the peters Meltdown was long and constant. Mellinger had an article where it doesn't really sound like hunt really addressed it until well into it. Meanwhile peters was taking grenades left and right. There are times I appreciate hunt being hands off. But there are moments like this where you want him to be more active.

This...But don’t worry my friend. The rubber will meet the road when Clark goes back in well and asks all the good red blooded Americans for more $$$ fund more renovations at Arrowhead. Then these same cats will be talking about Clark like he’s Stan Kroenke on Chief.

I’m not a black man but damn you have an excellent point!

And **** Clark Hunt. That silverspooned white collared bastard!

Conspiracy theory seems right on track here.

1. There's no way in hell all 31 teams were contacted
2. There's no way in hell Peters doesn't get at least a 1st round pick
3. Since 1 and 2 above, Peter king is in on the take
4. Peters said that he loved Andy and I believe him meaning this decision was above Andy
5. Veach is a new GM making his mark and would not willingly get rid of a top player.
6. Clark Hunt is old money in NFL terms and well connected
7. NFL has been pushing for success in LA for years now.

It all adds up to conspiracy.

Sounds about right to me

implies

Pathetic, but---

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Would not call it a total failure. Maybe a c grade or d. Unfortunately, it was looking like an A for a while then fell a part.

The Browns 1 spot after us took Erving and we gave them a 5th rounder. That would be an F. We got some good seasons and then got a 2nd back.

He has no worries...he knows the next stadium deal will be in Kansas...almost ended up in Kansas the last time around. Plan B was in place if the voters turned it down.