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ChiefBlueCFC 10-17-2018 10:55 AM

Anyone else see this site that's up: isgrudengoneyet.com ?

If you haven't, I highly recommend heading there and taking a gander.

staylor26 10-17-2018 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 13822460)
It makes me just a little bit sad we end the season at home against the Raiders and there’s a better than average chance it’ll be Henne and not Mahomes who gets to shred their defense.

If that’s the case, at least we might be handing them a W to possibly **** up their draft position.

Sassy Squatch 10-17-2018 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13824230)
He has 1 drop this year.

There’s no reason he should be on pace for significantly less than 1,000 yards again this year.

2 drops on 25 catchable balls. Not exactly world beating.

staylor26 10-17-2018 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13824242)
2 drops on 25 catchable balls. Not exactly world beating.

Aren’t one of those from him getting KTFO on Sunday?

Guys drop balls. That doesn’t mean that he’s to blame for them not getting him the ball. The advanced stats say he is still getting separation. If Kelce drops a couple like he did early in the season should we stop trying to get him the ball too?

Sassy Squatch 10-17-2018 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13824269)
Aren’t one of those from him getting KTFO on Sunday?

Guys drop balls. That doesn’t mean that he’s to blame for them not getting him the ball. The advanced stats say he is still getting separation. If Kelce drops a couple like he did early in the season should we stop trying to get him the ball too?

Did Kelce have the 3rd worst drop rate for the prior 3 years?

Buehler445 10-17-2018 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13824269)
Aren’t one of those from him getting KTFO on Sunday?

Guys drop balls. That doesn’t mean that he’s to blame for them not getting him the ball. The advanced stats say he is still getting separation. If Kelce drops a couple like he did early in the season should we stop trying to get him the ball too?

That ball wasn't very catchable.

staylor26 10-17-2018 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13824278)
Did Kelce have the 3rd worst drop rate for the prior 3 years?

That’s not my point. Yes, Cooper has worse hands than Kelce. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s by far the best receiver on his team. You have to get him the ball regardless of his drops.

The Franchise 10-17-2018 11:23 AM

If I'm Cooper.....I want out. The Colts should offer up a 2nd round pick for him.

Sassy Squatch 10-17-2018 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13824324)
That’s not my point. Yes, Cooper has worse hands than Kelce. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s by far the best receiver on his team. You have to get him the ball regardless of his drops.

We're talking about 2 different things, then. I'm talking about his value on the market since the Raiders have decided that he's expendable.

staylor26 10-17-2018 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13824338)
We're talking about 2 different things, then. I'm talking about his value on the market since the Raiders have decided that he's expendable.

Gotcha. Sorry then.

I still think he’s a 1,000+ yards 6+ TD’s a year caliber guy without that cuck at QB.

KChiefs1 10-17-2018 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 13822374)
From that same article: LMAO


"So how did the Raiders manage to suck this bad? By essentially breaking the conventions of the game. The purpose of a passing offense is to move the ball down the field; the Raiders spent the game seeing what would happen if one was designed to do the opposite. Carr’s average air yards, which measures how many yards each pass travels down the field, was 0.1 yards. Here is what a visual representation of that looks like:"

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...n2bbn76jzg.jpg



Very Alex Smithish

KChiefs1 10-17-2018 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 13822440)
That GIF genuinely makes me feel bad for the guy. Hopefully Chucky runs him out of town and onto an NFC so I can root for the guy.

Number 77 needs his ass beat for allowing that to happen to his QB.



I really like Carr as a person. He impresses me every time I hear him talk. Nice guy.

That said...I don’t want him as my QB. They should trade him to the Giants.

Sassy Squatch 10-17-2018 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13824353)
I really like Carr as a person. He impresses me every time I hear him talk. Nice guy.

That said...I don’t want him as my QB. They should trade him to the Giants.

He's already been brought to the verge of tears behind the Raiders OL. The Giants may very well have the worst OL in football today.

RunKC 10-17-2018 11:40 AM

Seahawks pass rush is pretty average and they destroyed Carr.

Man the Chiefs might get a combined 15 sacks 12 Mahomes TD’s between the 2 games this season LMAO

In58men 10-17-2018 11:46 AM

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Pasta Little Brioni 10-17-2018 11:55 AM

Wow...just wow. Gruden is an abomination

KChiefs1 10-20-2018 10:20 AM

This guys videos crack me up.

https://youtu.be/Os9DiG0PqfM

jdubya 10-20-2018 03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7fLWgbj4I

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-20-2018 04:14 PM

Gruden is targeting Bosa at the top of the draft. He doesn't have a choice now.

Chiefspants 10-20-2018 04:23 PM

What the hell happened to the Raiders Oline?

-King- 10-20-2018 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13830194)
What the hell happened to the Raiders Oline?

They hired Tom Cable. He's probably the worst position coach in the NFL.
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jdubya 10-20-2018 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13830194)
What the hell happened to the Raiders Oline?

It`s a MASH unit right now. I think they are playing with 3 rookie olinemen at the moment

In58men 10-25-2018 07:10 PM

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DJJasonp 10-25-2018 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13829782)
This guys videos crack me up.

https://youtu.be/Os9DiG0PqfM

His voice reminds me of Neal - the guy who pines after Meg Griffin in Family Guy

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In58men 10-26-2018 09:03 AM

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 
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KChiefs1 10-28-2018 10:28 PM

Comedy Gold.
https://youtu.be/z3guwOnjidE

Sassy Squatch 10-29-2018 09:22 AM

With a five-pressure performance against Indy, the #Raiders' defense has totaled 56 (!!) pressures through Week 8 -- ranking 32nd in the NFL.

The Lions rank 31st with... 100 (!!) pressures.

This is no longer on Khalil Mack's absence; it's much, much bigger than that.

SuperBowl4 10-29-2018 09:42 AM

JUST LOSE BABY!

In58men 11-03-2018 02:54 PM

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 
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DJ's left nut 11-03-2018 03:00 PM

Might as well kick the tires but I'd imagine he'll find a better opportunity elsewhere.

As depth behind Ford/Houston (given their injury history), he'd sure be a nice little security blanket for the rest of the season.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-03-2018 03:01 PM

He’ll be a Patriot

DJ's left nut 11-03-2018 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13864834)
He’ll be a Patriot

Shit.

This makes too much sense. Couldn't the Raiders just go ahead and cut Karl Joseph so we could make a play on someone that might actually fit us pretty well?

Obi doesn't really count.

DJ's left nut 11-03-2018 03:05 PM

The Rams, sadly, also make a great deal of sense.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-03-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13864841)
The Rams, sadly, also make a great deal of sense.

If they get him, it might be over. Especially if Talib gets back.

DJ's left nut 11-03-2018 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13864843)
If they get him, it might be over. Especially if Talib gets back.

With the beef they have in the middle, it makes it pretty easy for them to widen out their splits, put him in a wide-9 technique and just let him fly at the QB. He's never done much to learn...technique...of any sort. But he still as a good first step and can do enough to push a QB up into that goddamn monster in the middle Donald.

He's a tragically good fit for them. Fowler seemed a strange addition but Irvin can be a one-trick pony that actually suits their weaknesses really well.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-03-2018 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13864843)
If they get him, it might be over. Especially if Talib gets back.

Don't underestimate the power of Mahomes/Reid.

Sutton is another story

pugsnotdrugs19 11-03-2018 03:14 PM

I actually don’t think he makes a huge difference for New England. Their D isn’t much to worry about regardless.

But the Rams... yeah. That would be no bueno.

O.city 11-03-2018 03:23 PM

Irvin isn’t any good anymore anyway

New World Order 11-03-2018 03:25 PM

I love Gruden!

jjchieffan 11-03-2018 03:32 PM

Gruden is absolutely insane. He could have traded Irvin on Tuesday and gotten a good pick for him. Instead, he waits until Saturday and then just outright cuts him. Doing that makes absolutely no sense. He doesn't fit in the 4-3? Fine. But he is an edge rusher with 40 career sacks. Personally, it works for me. It just makes the Faiders weaker now, and takes away a pick that could have helped with the rebuild. But if I was a Faiders fan, I would be pissed. Gruden should look around the stadium some time at the rabid, outlaw fanbase that he's pissing off. One of them is likely crazy enough to go after him. I mean, these aren't your average fan. They're Raider fans. The biggest bunch of thugs and lowlife's on the planet.

In58men 11-03-2018 03:36 PM

Mack gonna try to recruit

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Red Dawg 11-03-2018 03:45 PM

Jordy Nelson is all class. He shoukd be asking to be cut so he can go home to GB.

He doesn't deserve to be in this dumpster fire.

New World Order 11-03-2018 03:50 PM

https://raiderforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14177

ahahahahahahaha

Sassy Squatch 11-03-2018 04:04 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Irvin subject to waivers now anyway?

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-03-2018 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13864917)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Irvin subject to waivers now anyway?

Everyone is after trade deadline

pugsnotdrugs19 11-03-2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13864917)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Irvin subject to waivers now anyway?

Yes but his salary is likely too big to see someone claiming him.

Sassy Squatch 11-03-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13864948)
Yes but his salary is likely too big to see someone claiming him.

Really? Wouldn't it be something like 4 million at this point? If he's as big of a difference maker as you folks are making him out to be that's not bad.

BryanBusby 11-03-2018 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13864961)
Really? Wouldn't it be something like 4 million at this point? If he's as big of a difference maker as you folks are making him out to be that's not bad.

The teams that could use a boost like Irvin (and arent shit) are probably cap strapped.

DJ's left nut 11-03-2018 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13864866)
Gruden is absolutely insane. He could have traded Irvin on Tuesday and gotten a good pick for him. Instead, he waits until Saturday and then just outright cuts him. Doing that makes absolutely no sense. He doesn't fit in the 4-3? Fine. But he is an edge rusher with 40 career sacks. Personally, it works for me. It just makes the Faiders weaker now, and takes away a pick that could have helped with the rebuild. But if I was a Faiders fan, I would be pissed. Gruden should look around the stadium some time at the rabid, outlaw fanbase that he's pissing off. One of them is likely crazy enough to go after him. I mean, these aren't your average fan. They're Raider fans. The biggest bunch of thugs and lowlife's on the planet.

He couldn't get Irvin traded for free, let alone get a pick. He'll go unclaimed off waivers.

Nobody wants to give him $4 million but someone will pick him up at the veterans minimum.

KChiefs1 11-03-2018 04:50 PM

Would the Chiefs bring in Bruce Irvin for a look?

BryanBusby 11-03-2018 04:52 PM

Why would they

Sassy Squatch 11-03-2018 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13864992)
Would the Chiefs bring in Bruce Irvin for a look?

Why? We've got 6 bodies at the spot currently.

Houston
Ford
Kpassagnon
Speaks
Zombo
Orchard

ThaVirus 11-03-2018 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13864997)
Why?

Answered that yourself

Quote:

We've got... Zombo

staylor26 11-03-2018 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13865085)
Answered that yourself

Yea but you don’t sign Irvin to be your 5th OLB

saphojunkie 11-03-2018 06:56 PM

Bruce Irvin would wreck shit in KC. He’d probably be playing with a lead for the first time all year.

(I know that’s not accurate)

KChiefs1 11-03-2018 07:07 PM

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 
Da Raiduhs. LMAO
https://youtu.be/6958T1y1JKg
https://youtu.be/BOneB4CnJeE

Sofa King 11-03-2018 07:45 PM

I hate megathreads. I think Irvin being cut would have been nice to see in it's own thread.

DJ's left nut 11-06-2018 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13864989)
He couldn't get Irvin traded for free, let alone get a pick. He'll go unclaimed off waivers.

Nobody wants to give him $4 million but someone will pick him up at the veterans minimum.

Irvin cleared waivers.

So that pretty much closes the book on the 'could the Raiders have traded him' question - nobody wanted him for FREE with the balance of his contract.

But he'll get his termination pay and sign for the minimum somewhere. I just don't figure it'll be here.

In58men 11-06-2018 03:53 PM

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staylor26 11-06-2018 04:01 PM

They can have him. He’s not going to make a difference against our offense.

KChiefs1 11-11-2018 12:13 AM

How the Raiders turned it around. LMAO

https://youtu.be/hustJC50Jlk

ThaVirus 11-11-2018 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13865093)
Yea but you don’t sign Irvin to be your 5th OLB

Given the circumstances of this season, Irvin would surely be our first OLB off the bench.

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-11-2018 07:17 PM

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displacedinMN 11-11-2018 07:54 PM

That game in OAK worries me a little. How the NFL will make it close like the **** job we got last year.

I also do not understand Raider Fans. Yes, Be loyal. But your team is moving and you are still paying a shit load of money for shit on the field. CLE fans bailed on the Browns and they were ok at that point. Chiefs fan did not show up for 2-14 AND everyone wore black to protest. Saints fans wore sacks.

Raider fans are just that stupid.

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Coochie liquor 11-11-2018 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 13886457)

Why though??? Aren’t the Fade still in a spot to get a WC?! ROFL

In58men 11-11-2018 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 13886472)
Why though??? Aren’t the Fade still in a spot to get a WC?! ROFL

I assume the player had dinner reservations.

RunKC 11-11-2018 10:01 PM

Did Jordy Nelson retire?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m not gonna speculate at this point and we’ll wait and see if there’s an announcement but one veteran player seemed to be going around the locker room saying their goodbyes. Could be related.</p>&mdash; Jimmy Durkin (@Jimmy_Durkin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jimmy_Durkin/status/1061777939912519681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ToxSocks 11-11-2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 13886457)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13886765)
Did Jordy Nelson retire?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m not gonna speculate at this point and we’ll wait and see if there’s an announcement but one veteran player seemed to be going around the locker room saying their goodbyes. Could be related.</p>&mdash; Jimmy Durkin (@Jimmy_Durkin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jimmy_Durkin/status/1061777939912519681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh please please let this be true.

notorious 11-11-2018 10:34 PM

Who is it?

Coochie liquor 11-12-2018 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13886818)
Oh please please let this be true.

Stop you’re gonna make crybaby Carr tear up!

Sassy Squatch 11-12-2018 04:40 AM

Jordy Nelson will announce his retirement today.

Jared Cook is te player who wants to "get the **** out of there".

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-12-2018 04:05 PM

Really need to read the comments on youtube.

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notorious 11-12-2018 04:16 PM

Just firebomb the franchise and fanbase.


Start an expansion team in Vegas. They don't want the criminal fanbase to infect the new cash cow.

DJ's left nut 11-12-2018 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13888095)
Just firebomb the franchise and fanbase.


Start an expansion team in Vegas. They don't want the criminal fanbase to infect the new cash cow.

Lord, don't do that.

An expansion team would be in far better shape than this disaster. Far better to make them sleep in the bed they've made...

KChiefs1 11-17-2018 01:32 PM

LMAO

https://youtu.be/YQuDUl3DqUc

KChiefs1 11-17-2018 11:13 PM

I can’t get enough of how far & how fast they bottomed out.

https://youtu.be/nsrR2jNYpVU
https://youtu.be/3P5A5I2o7B4
https://youtu.be/tC_tfJ2GM_0

Hoover 11-17-2018 11:56 PM

My brother is a Raiders season ticket holder. Not a fun time for him, but I thing it turns around pretty quick so long as Gruden isn't a complete moron.

Step one: Purge the roster - Completed
Step two: Aquire draft picks - Completed
Step three: Rebuild through draft. - ???

So the Raiders have three 1st round picks in 2019 (theirs, Cowboys, and Bears)
In 2020 they will have 2 first rounders (theirs and Bears) They lose their 2nd but gain the bears third.

Yeah this season sucks ass, but the offseason will belong to the Raiders, and they will OWN Vegas. I think their future is bright.

They can and will rebuild, the question is what do they have at QB? We have Mahomes so advantage Chiefs

staylor26 11-18-2018 12:03 AM

It sounds good on paper, but the Raiders have A LOT of holes and I’m not so sure they even hit on 50% of those picks with Gruden making the final decision. When has he demonstrated the ability to posssibly capitalize on all that draft capital?

ROYC75 11-18-2018 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13888095)
Just firebomb the franchise and fanbase.


Start an expansion team in Vegas. They don't want the criminal fanbase to infect the new cash cow.

My sis and BIL that moved from Manhattan to Vegas to retire says the city is overwhelmingly excited for them.

Matter of fact,my sis and BIL is getting season tickets as Chiefs fans. Maybe some seasonal trips to Vegas in the future for me?

Maybe.


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