The draft is a crap shoot, and even if you nail it a rookie DL will need 2-3 seasons to mature.

And in 3 seasons, we can get out of the Clark deal judging by early reports.

Also, what's the point of cap space if you don't use it?

Cap space doesn't win championships. Talent does.

Since i joined in '05 ive never understood CP's over infatuation with cap space.

Sometimes it feels like all ya'll care about is Clark saving money.

Thank god Clark is more interested in winning a Championship than some of our fans...

This move makes KC a hell of a lot better up front. Clark is a clear upgrade over Ford, and fits in your new D much better than Ford would have.

Paid a ton, but this move just about has to make KC a superbowl favorite.

You're handling this very poorly and overreacting like a kid that didn't get what he wanted on Christmas.

well...YEAH. That's the whole ****ing idea.

We're ALL IN. But not just for 2019. Clark is 25 years old. We're all in for the next several years.

Clark is Dee Ford but WAY BETTER.

Other than the off the field issues there's absolutely nothing not to like here. There is no #29 that you could bank on producing immediately at all, let alone being the force that Clark is. Clark is a ****ing stud DE. Anybody who thinks Clowney is better hasn't been watching either of them since they were drafted.

Sweet, I'm not missing anything Thursday. I get to see Endgame and I got to see a stupid board meltdown over what we did the first round.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Frank Clark contract is structured similar to the DeMarcus Lawrence deal, expect the $63.5 million guaranteed to come during the first three years. Lawrence&#39;s deal is structured with an opt-out after three years that spreads $10 million in dead money to the fourth year.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1120756457882910720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Seems to me giving up valuable draft picks for the right to pay someone market value doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially in the long run if one is hoping on building a dynasty. Has New England EVER done this?

Ok. So Frank Clark is worth as much as Houston,Ford and a 1st round pick? Impressive.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-clos...174749870.html

Terez Paylor's take on it.

The simple answer here is yes.

Actually, it might VERY WELL make KC a top ten defense.

You can run right at Dee Ford. You can't run at Clark. He's an elite DE as an ALL AROUND player.

There are no holes in his game.

Clark, Honey Badger, Breeland are all upgrades.

This team will be much, much better against the run. This team will be very good at rushing the passer. This team will be better in coverage than last year, and we're not done yet.

Yes, Clark is expensive, but you legit just added the perfect DE for this system.

Now, go draft a CB and a WR in round 2 and TE in round 3.

They would have had to give quite a bit to move up and take a chance on a edge defender that could play the run & rush at Clark's level from this draft class.

Wow. Detox throwing some epic shade! ROFL

Houston is gone, dude

Unless the Chiefs could care less about off the field issues quit picking these guys up. Now Reek being charged isn’t enough. He had better be charged and found guilty or i’ll be pissed if any discipline happens.

ALL IN, BABY!!!!!

Not a fan of giving up the 2nd round pick, but we all say that we are in a "win now" mode, so we added an elite edge rusher to a defense that really needed an outside rusher. I really like all the DL additions - go look at the NE offensive roster, I think the DL will be the unit to watch. We need to find some youth at LB and CB, but you're blind if you can't see what they are trying to build.

Sucks having yet another draft without a first rounder... but I think we are better off with Clark to be 100% honest.

I don't hate this deal at all. I do think that they are going all in on D and hoping like hell that Pat can replicate the 2018 offense. It's ballsy, but the payoff could be Super Bowl huge.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Frank Clark is a very violent football player. That’s a good thing the Chiefs got a dog</p>&mdash; Jeff Allen (@JeffAllen71) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffAllen71/status/1120758599213637633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WTF?

You know in 2 years the cap is going to skyrocket right?

Louis Riddick is basically Veach’s extension to the media. I agree with what he just said on ESPN..

-Chiefs loved a lot of the pass rushers in this class, but knew they would all be gone in the first half of the first rd.
-it would have cost MORE for us to move up high enough to get one of those pass rushers.
-Veach will structure this deal similarly to D. Lawrence. Essentially a 3 years deal with a solid money saving out in years 4 & 5.
-they still have 3 picks in the top 85 in a DEEP class.
-corner, OL and TE and receiver are all very deep positions this draft.

Don't forget Houston. We could have kept Houston and tagged Ford for a year, along with our 1st round pick this year and 2nd next year.

Clark's value needs to be better than Houston,Ford, and a 1st round pick.

Probably a good time to post some Frank Clark highlights:

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Added considerably more talent on defense this offseason with a much better coaching staff on that side of the ball.

Cant wait to see what they add in the draft.

Ok, the more i think about this the more im ok with it. The 29th pick does sting a little bit but we have an elite 4-3 DE now, with speaks opposite him and good depth behind them to keep everyone fresh. the 2nd next year should be in the 60s so we'll likely have a 1st and 2nd next year that are really close to each other, so if we wanted to move up or whatever next year we're good to go. The money aspect seems crazy but you can structure deals to not be that hard on the cap.

I'm still not sure what I really think of this trade yet, but how can anyone be batshit upset? The alternative to this is the Packers model (nothing but draft picks), and they've basically been a failure considering the QB play they lucked into.

And **** comparisons to NE, they are the absolute outlier to everything. Generally speaking, it's good to be aggressive and make bold moves. Never forget we ARE "built through the draft" - Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Jones - but it's really hard to do it all that way. Especially with picks like 29th instead of 9th.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Frank Clark is a very violent football player. That’s a good thing the Chiefs got a dog</p>&mdash; Jeff Allen (@JeffAllen71) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffAllen71/status/1120758599213637633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wait, what? A 1st and one of our 2nd round picks for this guy? That's like what you give up to get a total stud. I admit I don't watch much of the NFC, but is this guy that good? C'mon CP, sell this deal to me. PLEASE

If that was true, Kareem Hunt would be lining up in the backfield this year.

Just an FYI Clark and Mathieu are really good friends

I don't think they're paying him 40 mil/yr, I do believe it's 105 over 5 yrs. This gets the cost of rushers from 37-38 mil (DF 17tag +JH 21) down to somewhere around 25-30 mil for Clark + Okafor + Ogbah.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mpression=true

Jones agent has been meeting with the Chiefs for weeks now

Deal is expected to be around 20 mil a year

Let's all freak the **** out!!!!

No LB? We at least need some JAG-level talent at LB along with hoping that Hitchens can return to previous form..

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mpression=true

Jones agent has been meeting with the Chiefs for weeks now

Deal is expected to be around 20 mil a year

A 1st , A 2nd next year, and swapping 3rd round picks for the rights to give the guy 105 million dollars

to me that seems like a **** boy move

And had that video not surfaced, he would still be a Chief.

Players caught on video assaulting women get cut. That's the NFL. The Chiefs did nothing that any other team wouldn't have done.

We also gained an elite player.

No more mediocrity, gotta give Veach credit here.

This.

And the Draft dudes around here say that this is a bad, bad year for LB's.

Sounds like we'll have to go into camp with hope and prayers for the LB group.

The offense could regress significantly and still be elite

Jamaal Charles was a damn good out of that. Albert was solid. That would be a tough one.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealFrankC_</a> let’s ���� gooooooooooo!!!!! Welcome to <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> ....<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sacknation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sacknation</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SacksUp?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SacksUp</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@stonecoldjones_) <a href="https://twitter.com/stonecoldjones_/status/1120759353471045634?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's something this D has been missing aside from Sorenson (whose routine mediocreness nullifies it).

Are you mental? Houston was going to cost $22 million or something. Dee Ford was going to coast $17 million.

A #29 pick was not going to wreck worlds right out of the gate.

You're not really this stupid are you?

Disagree. Cleveland, apparently, is absolutely cool with it and is ascending.

The part about adding talent through the draft is where Veach is going to run into trouble.

Some of this fan base has become really use to having Jags,

Honest questions.

What would you have given up to move to the top 15 in this draft? Would this year’s first and next year’s second be too much?

If you did that and drafted exactly Frank Clark, would you be satisfied with the pick?

You mean the one trick pony Ford, and the declining Houston who we were paying a ton to?

HE A STUD

Jamaal was the Chiefs' first of the three 3rd round picks. Would have likely been available at the Chiefs pick at 76. Allen was essentially traded for Albert, Morgan, and Cottam

Veach'd

Someone within the KC organization is working on yet another Mahomes/Veach propaganda piece.

It would take more than that to get into the Top 15...

I think most would, although I would have preferred to stay at 29. I think the contract is a big part of it in that it prevents us from using that money to acquire/keep other needed talent.

That being said, I'm ok with the trade. We still have holes to fill, though.

There's people who hate this move but loved having Eric Hicks as a starter. Logic left Chiefs Kingdom decades ago.

He is consistently that stupid. At least he is consistent.


CP- "Why don't we ever make a big move? Veach sucks!"

CP- "OMG why did we just trade for an elite young pass rusher!!!! Veach sucks!"

JakeF is a huge dumbass who knows precisely jack shit!

How does this guy fit the scheme? Honestly asking. Im pretty ignorant to this shit.

This is a really good trade!! Great job Veach!!

He is a 4-3 DE.

You guys that are throwing a fit right now are all going to be lining up with tears of joy streaming down your faces to suck Veach's dick while he's holding the Lombardi trophy.

You'd better swallow. No spitting.

Looking back even if you include Charles...you take a DE over a RB.

I get that, but the Chiefs know what they're geting in Clark. The draft is a crap shoot. Also, the 2nd next year is the worst one between the two we have, so it could be #64. :)

You do this kind of trade for young elite talent, if you're a SB contender. The Chies did because they are. I dont have a problem with that. Just my opinion.

He fits perfectly! Is a complete DE. Will slide right into the LDE.

He better be a super stud leader as well as player. Big money, our best picks gone. Long contracts have been a disaster for us. Oh, then there's his troubled past. As if we don't have enough of that crap.

Lets hope he actually wants to be great instead just wants to have the money.

Better, hes 265 and has been a down 4-3 end in Seattle.

LMAO

Yup, Flacco just shit his pants in anticipation of his upcoming beatings.

This team is so stupid. We've been running in place for decades. We went back to running in place the moment Hunt gave into Reid's power demands by firing Dorsey and promoting Andy's long-time twink to GM.

Pretty well summed up right here

The people who think we should never pay anyone cause "guys suck when you pay them"

Always great logic.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs defensive line is now<br><br>Frank Clark / Derrick Nnadi / Chris Jones / Alex Okafor<br><br>That is STRONG, regardless of where else you land on all this.</p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1120754395623370757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Remember when everyone cried about how the Chiefs loved being mediocre?

Now the same people are crying because we traded for an elite player ROFL

LMAO I had already forgotten that statues was Denver's new QB.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I get it; it&#39;s rumor/lying season... but Frank Clark makes sense. His rep is more as a dynamic pass rusher (which he is) but his speed to power is fantastic. His plant step after pressing the upfield shoulder is quick and he explodes out of it.<br><br>And he fits Spag&#39;s DE criteria <a href="https://t.co/NF6GNfwxd5">pic.twitter.com/NF6GNfwxd5</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1117985494393151490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You think Dee Ford fits this defense and you are calling someone else stupid...

Obviously Veach and co. didn't feel like they could get the value they wanted with the 29th pick. I wasn't keeping close tabs on the draft so I can't speak to that decision.

However, Frank Clark is a huge upgrade over both Houston and Ford. This might not have been the case if Houston had never injured his knee, but he did, and he wasn't the same afterwards.

Ford was just too one dimensional; all speed and nothing else. No ability to set the edge, no feel for stopping the run, these would've been serious issues going forward, especially as a DE in a 4-3.

And while I don't believe that Clark all on his own makes our D a top-10 unit, I do believe that his presence could make our front-7 at least one of the top 15 in the league. Which could take some pressure off the secondary, as well as having to acquire elite level players for our secondary.

The compensation both with draft picks and cash make me cringe a little, but then, I cringed more when we gave up what we gave up for Mahomes.

Wondering who's at 62 (I think that's the pick we have now)? Hopefully a true no. 1 CB or a no.2 WR.

he's perfect, that's how.

perfect size, perfect violent attitude. Excellent pass rusher (13 sacks last season), has played 62 of 64 games (no injury history) is relentless, is an excellent player against the run as well as the pass.

He literally does not have a hole in his game.

He's going to ****ing wreck worlds lined up next to Jones.

I would argue the primary reason the Chiefs jettisoned Houston and Ford for Clark is for scheme fit. Houston was regressing but it is hard to argue that Ford when healthy is an extremely productive pass rusher. The issue is in a 4-3 the ends are asked to be much more responsible against the run, which is not Dee Ford's strong suit.

Frank Clark is an effective pass rusher but he is equally as dominant against the run. Much more physical at the line of scrimmage, while I'd say Ford is your prototypical finesse 3-4 OLB.

You'd be the same one bitching and moaning if we fielded another bottom 10 defense that lacked talent.

Shut up.

The only way you get better is by adding better players.

But i guess you'd be A-Ok starting scrubs like Ogbah, eh?

Kick rocks.