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ChiTown 11-06-2019 11:09 AM

He's a twat.

Pennywise 11-06-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 14578137)

He shaved more times than TD passes.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/b...postgame-look/

RedRaider56 11-06-2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 14578177)
He's a twat.

yes he is

RedRaider56 11-06-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 14578137)

He's thinking "Well the look is working for Minshew. Maybe it will work for me!"

DJ's left nut 11-06-2019 12:11 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield is just Gardner Minshew but with three kids and an office job. <a href="https://t.co/T9BjUCVM9U">pic.twitter.com/T9BjUCVM9U</a></p>&mdash; Will Brinson (@WillBrinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1191197919027875840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Baaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

{remembers I have 3 kids and an office job}
{weeps}

Gravedigger 11-06-2019 12:15 PM

The only reason I have him on my Fantasy Team is the week that I need him because Rivers is off, he plays the Dolphins. I'm hoping he does decent against the lowly Dolphins if anything.

CasselGotPeedOn 11-06-2019 12:57 PM

https://i.ibb.co/b6YNt7y/Full-Size-R.jpg

Tombstone RJ 11-06-2019 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14482570)
Can’t believe this guy is still being looked at as a “future star”. If anybody should be compared to Jay Cutler, it’s him.

Actually..he’s worse

He talked shit on the Texas QB while he’s in the NFL, he took shots at his old coach who wasn’t even with the team anymore and continued doing it in the offseason, he talked shit on Rex Ryan and now he’s talking shit on Instagram comments.

Good God you dumb mother****er. You would think he spends as much time doing this petty bullshit as he does studying for a game.

He has shown talent, but man this guy is not someone you want on your team when things aren’t going well.

More reason to be thankful we have Mahomes.

That tweet you posted was pretty funny... at least he has a sense of humor

Naptown Chief 12-22-2019 01:35 PM

Baker Mayfield sucks

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-23-2019 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Naptown Chief (Post 14671443)
Baker Mayfield sucks

I am pleased with this turn of events.

Rain Man 12-23-2019 01:57 AM

Make fun of him all you want, but Baker Mayfield offers me the best prices on staplers and stapler supplies in the whole tri-state region.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIfdL2MX...g&name=360x360

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 10:08 AM

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, and I'm not going to comb through 23 pages of this topic...

but right there in the original post, the OP has Baker's tweet about the Texas QB.

And says he's talking shit.

Don't you realize that Baker was an undersized walk-on QB? And that his tweet is actually an ENCOURAGEMENT and not TALKING SHIT?

Duh?

How's it possible that you don't know Mayfield was a walk-on and that nobody wanted him because he was 'too short'?

He was telling the kid to keep his head up and keep working.

Dunerdr 12-23-2019 10:13 AM

shut up chris we hate baker in here

Jerm 12-23-2019 10:14 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baker Mayfield didn’t like the boos from the home crowd. He waved them off and the fans flipped him off. Merry Christmas Cleveland <a href="https://t.co/0ML2hQqjT1">pic.twitter.com/0ML2hQqjT1</a></p>&mdash; Footballism™ (@FootbaIIism) <a href="https://twitter.com/FootbaIIism/status/1208926809498292224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cleveland is such a dumpster fire...hilarious to see.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674294)
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, and I'm not going to comb through 23 pages of this topic...

but right there in the original post, the OP has Baker's tweet about the Texas QB.

And says he's talking shit.

Don't you realize that Baker was an undersized walk-on QB? And that his tweet is actually an ENCOURAGEMENT and not TALKING SHIT?

Duh?

How's it possible that you don't know Mayfield was a walk-on and that nobody wanted him because he was 'too short'?

He was telling the kid to keep his head up and keep working.

Freddie kitchens is the worst possible choice for mayfield. He's totally out of his depth. If kitchens designed a Josh allen like offense, he can develop by learning to manage games. He's so slippery in the pocket and is really really good throwing on the run. Same way big Ben was groomed. Instead, kitchens has an elite running game and refuses to run the ball.

Baker needs to be handled, not enabled. And he is not good enough to run a system... He needs a system built around him at this point in his career. I predict Mccarthy will be the browns next head coach and it will be real interesting to see what he does with baker and that offense.

TwistedChief 12-23-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674294)
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, and I'm not going to comb through 23 pages of this topic...

but right there in the original post, the OP has Baker's tweet about the Texas QB.

And says he's talking shit.

Don't you realize that Baker was an undersized walk-on QB? And that his tweet is actually an ENCOURAGEMENT and not TALKING SHIT?

Duh?

How's it possible that you don't know Mayfield was a walk-on and that nobody wanted him because he was 'too short'?

He was telling the kid to keep his head up and keep working.

You sure that was encouragement?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-dont-like-him

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14674302)
shut up chris we hate baker in here


LMAO


I know. But jeez. let's at least be accurate.

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14674336)


Yeah I am.

I think people take all this stuff WAY too seriously and don't Mayfield does.

I think he likes to **** around and give people quotes and I don't he takes any of that seriously. I think he likes to look at the competition as the enemy in a competitive way. And I think after the fact he respects the kid as a competitor.

and I think that tweet literally cannot be read any other way than as a comparison with himself if you consider Baker's history as an 'undersized walk-on'. And you know, whatever happens, Baker had a lot of success as the guy nobody wanted, the undersized walk-on who won a Heismann.
Keep that energy. How the hell can you read it any other way?

Does Baker perhaps listen to and respond too much to outside criticism? Yeah probably. He uses it as fuel, he always has, and it got him this far, so who knows?

Will it be a problem in the NFL? Well, the only difference really between that feeding his fire and Brady, who can still tell you every single QB taken in front of him in his draft and what their careers were is that Baker doesn't keep his mouth shut. Maybe that'll be a problem. Maybe he'll learn to. Maybe he won't and it won't matter.

It's totally fine to not like the guy, but I think we oughta at least be accurate.

DJ's left nut 12-23-2019 10:46 AM

It's amazing how predictable some shit can be.

Mayfield is such an obvious frontrunner. That guy was NEVER going to be able to rally a team that was spinning its wheels. Once Cleveland stumbled out of the gates, this implosion was inevitable.

staylor26 12-23-2019 10:49 AM

Chris trying to spin all of Baker’s antics into something positive is absolutely ****ing hilarious

LMAO

He’s a douche of the highest order and he also ****ing sucks. Sorry dude, but it is what it is.

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=DJ's left nut;14674363]It's amazing how predictable some shit can be.

Mayfield is such an obvious frontrunner. That guy was NEVER going to be able to rally a team that was spinning its wheels. Once Cleveland stumbled out of the gates, this implosion was inevitable.[

And obvious frontrunner? A what?

This implosion is a shit coaching staff. Kitchens was a monumentally horrible head coaching hire by Dorsey. And I'm not a Dorsey hater. Kitchens though...man, he really shit down his leg on that one.

The whole team is underperforming. The whole team is undisciplined. It's literally why they lose. You can see it. It's not a talent issue. It's people just running around willy-nilly with no focus, no consistency.

Mayfield has flaws, but if they get a good coach in there, Cleveland will turn it around in a hurry. Like an immediate hurry.

Like if they hire Bienemy. Look out.

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674369)
Chris trying to spin all of Baker’s antics into something positive is absolutely ****ing hilarious

LMAO

He’s a douche of the highest order and he also ****ing sucks. Sorry dude, but it is what it is.

You're wrong, dude.

I mean, he may be a douche. He's certainly no more of a douche than 99% of this board.

But that tweet being given as evidence doesn't fly.

Unless you've just decided to hate the guy no matter what the **** he does.

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 10:57 AM

History will prove me right here.

You're all going to be hating Mayfield for the next fifteen years or so.

Dorsey won't **** up twice in a row on the coaching situation.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=Chris Meck;14674377]
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674363)
It's amazing how predictable some shit can be.

Mayfield is such an obvious frontrunner. That guy was NEVER going to be able to rally a team that was spinning its wheels. Once Cleveland stumbled out of the gates, this implosion was inevitable.[

And obvious frontrunner? A what?

This implosion is a shit coaching staff. Kitchens was a monumentally horrible head coaching hire by Dorsey. And I'm not a Dorsey hater. Kitchens though...man, he really shit down his leg on that one.

The whole team is underperforming. The whole team is undisciplined. It's literally why they lose. You can see it. It's not a talent issue. It's people just running around willy-nilly with no focus, no consistency.

Mayfield has flaws, but if they get a good coach in there, Cleveland will turn it around in a hurry. Like an immediate hurry.

Like if they hire Bienemy. Look out.

I wouldn't say look out. But I agree he's better than what he's become under the browns totally incompetent coaching staff.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:03 AM

You also told us the Browns were going to be 10-6 at absolute worst and a big ****ing problem in the playoffs.

Of course you’re going to say it’s ALL Kitchens now.

Look, Kitchens ****ing sucks, but Baker is by far the second biggest problem on that football team considering the position he plays and where he was drafted.

The dude looked more like a late round/UDFA than a #1 overall pick. There’s literally nothing he did in 15 games that looked like a #1 overall franchise QB. He has no elite traits, and he doesn’t even have the confidence of his own teammates. If he even flashed this year, OBJ and Landry wouldn’t be dying to play elsewhere right now.

TwistedChief 12-23-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674382)
You're wrong, dude.

I mean, he may be a douche. He's certainly no more of a douche than 99% of this board.

But that tweet being given as evidence doesn't fly.

Unless you've just decided to hate the guy no matter what the **** he does.

I think you're missing context. That quote had nothing to do with the Texas QB. Nothing at all.

The OP enumerated a number of the childish things that Mayfield had done, one of which was getting into a public battle with the Texas QB. Then the OP added these tweets as evidence that the guy was insecure enough that he felt the need to respond to an individual instagram comment that compared him to Antonio Brown.

It had nothing to do with encouraging the Texas QB. You're off the mark there.

And you might like Baker Mayfield's ability and that's fine. And he might be a successful QB and that's also fine. He's also been gifted with WRs and RBs that are nearly on par with what the Chiefs have in terms of explosive complements.

But none of that changes the fact that the guy shows a lot of elements of an immature headcase. He's like the anti-Mahomes that way.

O.city 12-23-2019 11:06 AM

Next time someone says it's all about talent, we can point to this years Browns and Cowboys teams and say "nah, it's not".

RunKC 12-23-2019 11:10 AM

You guys are acting like Baker is Trubisky. He’s not. The kid is actually talented and good enough to be a QB for a long time.

I will say that the Browns have done a shit job and given him horrendous coaching, but Baker needs to look in the mirror too. The guy just needs to shut the **** up and play.

Dorsey has to get a respected coach in there ASAP. Not sure if he’s going to get his old pal Mike McCarthy in there, but I would strongly recommend Ron Rivera.

They need a leader so badly.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:16 AM

Mayfield 19 TD’s 18 INT’s

Trubisky 17 TD’s 10 INT’s

Not to mention Baker probably has more talent on offense.

Exactly how is Baker so much better than Trubisky Run?

Do I think he’s better? Yea probably, but don’t kid yourselves, neither of these guys are franchise QB’s that you want to give a huge second contract.

DJ's left nut 12-23-2019 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674385)
History will prove me right here.

You're all going to be hating Mayfield for the next fifteen years or so.

Dorsey won't **** up twice in a row on the coaching situation.

Was it hogfarmer that continually pimped Manziel until he just couldn't anymore?

Whoever it was, you sound like that guy.

Nothing's ever Baker's fault - just wait and you'll see...

O.city 12-23-2019 11:17 AM

Baker is accurate, or atleast he's shown to be outside this year.

Trubisky is a RB playing QB.

O.city 12-23-2019 11:22 AM

He's just got too much of an ego. It won't work unless he changes a bit.

Being the QB, you've gotta be the leader and get all guys rowing the same way. When you're constantly causing drama and throwing shit under the bus, it ain't gonna work.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674399)
You also told us the Browns were going to be 10-6 at absolute worst and a big ****ing problem in the playoffs.

Of course you’re going to say it’s ALL Kitchens now.

Look, Kitchens ****ing sucks, but Baker is by far the second biggest problem on that football team considering the position he plays and where he was drafted.

The dude looked more like a late round/UDFA than a #1 overall pick. There’s literally nothing he did in 15 games that looked like a #1 overall franchise QB. He has no elite traits, and he doesn’t even have the confidence of his own teammates. If he even flashed this year, OBJ and Landry wouldn’t be dying to play elsewhere right now.

They don't want to leave because of baker. They want to leave because of kitchens. Of course bakers got issues right now. But kitchens is enormously responsible for a lot of them.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674428)
Baker is accurate, or atleast he's shown to be outside this year.

Trubisky is a RB playing QB.

Too bad being better than Trubisky doesn’t make you a franchise QB.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674438)
They don't want to leave because of baker. They want to leave because of kitchens. Of course bakers got issues right now. But kitchens is enormously responsible for a lot of them.

News flash:

They know Kitchens will be fired eventually. If they thought Baker was a legit franchise QB, they’d have at least have a little more patience.

O.city 12-23-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674439)
Too bad being better than Trubisky doesn’t make you a franchise QB.

Ok well that's changing the subject.

DJ's left nut 12-23-2019 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674424)
Mayfield 19 TD’s 18 INT’s

Trubisky 17 TD’s 10 INT’s

Not to mention Baker probably has more talent on offense.

Exactly how is Baker so much better than Trubisky Run?

Do I think he’s better? Yea probably, but don’t kid yourselves, neither of these guys are franchise QB’s that you want to give a huge second contract.

I've never understood why so many Mayfield stans are so quick to handwaive those turnover numbers.

Dude threw 14 picks last year in a partial season to boot.

The guy's a turnover machine. And he creates sacks far more often than people want to acknowledge (same thing Watson does; then people blame his OL because he's a mobile passer so they assume he's helping his OL - he ain't).

He's a talented quarterback but he has significant processing issues that lead to turnovers and sacks that a truly good quarterback doesn't have. And you can't quantify leadership, but I have a hard time seeing a dude who carries himself like Mayfield as any sort of leader. Yes, it's nebulous, but I don't really care. If you don't see what people are saying when they call Baker a frontrunning douche, then you're just not looking.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674442)
Ok well that's changing the subject.

Changing the subject? I already said Baker is better. The subject, which RunKC started with, is Baker is no Trubisky as if that means he can be a franchise QB. He can’t.

O.city 12-23-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674447)
Changing the subject? I already said Baker is better. The subject, which RunKC started with, is Baker is no Trubisky as if that means he can be a franchise QB. He can’t.

It's the holidays man, no reason to anger post. Be happy.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674452)
It's the holidays man, no reason to anger post. Be happy.

What specifically in that post lead you to believe I’m angry? Lol

-King- 12-23-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674436)
He's just got too much of an ego. It won't work unless he changes a bit.

Being the QB, you've gotta be the leader and get all guys rowing the same way. When you're constantly causing drama and throwing shit under the bus, it ain't gonna work.

When did he last cause drama though?

RunKC 12-23-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674424)
Mayfield 19 TD’s 18 INT’s

Trubisky 17 TD’s 10 INT’s

Not to mention Baker probably has more talent on offense.

Exactly how is Baker so much better than Trubisky Run?

Do I think he’s better? Yea probably, but don’t kid yourselves, neither of these guys are franchise QB’s that you want to give a huge second contract.

Trubisky never showed potential like Baker did last year. You can chalk part of Bakers struggles on John Dorsey’s dumbass too.

Baker has a horrific OL and even worse coaching. Getting rid of Zeitler was devastating. Putting faith in Robinson at LT was worse. And even worse than that, Dorsey completely failed drafting a BUST LT Austin Corbett with the first pick in the 2nd rd that he traded to the Rams for a bag of Doritos.

It doesn’t matter if you have Jerry ****ing Rice if your QB has a clueless coach and an OL that doesn’t give him any time to develop plays.

Dorsey is not the great talent he was made to be here and it’s shows true every day that passes.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674445)
I've never understood why so many Mayfield stans are so quick to handwaive those turnover numbers.

Dude threw 14 picks last year in a partial season to boot.

The guy's a turnover machine. And he creates sacks far more often than people want to acknowledge (same thing Watson does; then people blame his OL because he's a mobile passer so they assume he's helping his OL - he ain't).

He's a talented quarterback but he has significant processing issues that lead to turnovers and sacks that a truly good quarterback doesn't have. And you can't quantify leadership, but I have a hard time seeing a dude who carries himself like Mayfield as any sort of leader. Yes, it's nebulous, but I don't really care. If you don't see what people are saying when they call Baker a frontrunning douche, then you're just not looking.

There's also a middle ground where the guy is limited but a lot better than what his critics say. Sometimes the critical approach is to assume a guy's 100% flawed. I don't think he's a great qb by any stretch but I don't see why at least early in his career he couldn't be an effective game manager.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674447)
Changing the subject? I already said Baker is better. The subject, which RunKC started with, is Baker is no Trubisky as if that means he can be a franchise QB. He can’t.

Baker with the right coaching can be an effective starting qb. I don't think Trubisky can.

DRM08 12-23-2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674424)
Mayfield 19 TD’s 18 INT’s

Trubisky 17 TD’s 10 INT’s

Not to mention Baker probably has more talent on offense.

Exactly how is Baker so much better than Trubisky Run?

Do I think he’s better? Yea probably, but don’t kid yourselves, neither of these guys are franchise QB’s that you want to give a huge second contract.

Baker has more of that star charisma. Good at creating drama/controversy in the media. He’s Johnny Manziel Part 2. Honestly the Browns might be fine with him being a Trubisky level player as long as he creates publicity for them. Better than going 0-16 with a no-name QB. Trubisky is boring as hell AND ineffective on the field. Bad combo.

-King- 12-23-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674445)
I've never understood why so many Mayfield stans are so quick to handwaive those turnover numbers.

Dude threw 14 picks last year in a partial season to boot.

The guy's a turnover machine. And he creates sacks far more often than people want to acknowledge (same thing Watson does; then people blame his OL because he's a mobile passer so they assume he's helping his OL - he ain't).

He's a talented quarterback but he has significant processing issues that lead to turnovers and sacks that a truly good quarterback doesn't have. And you can't quantify leadership, but I have a hard time seeing a dude who carries himself like Mayfield as any sort of leader. Yes, it's nebulous, but I don't really care. If you don't see what people are saying when they call Baker a frontrunning douche, then you're just not looking.

I think good coaching can help a lot of that. He doesn't have good coaching at all. Kitchens is probably a bottom 3 head coach right now.

O.city 12-23-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14674457)
When did he last cause drama though?

Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14674473)
Baker has more of that star charisma. Good at creating drama/controversy in the media. He’s Johnny Manziel Part 2. Honestly the Browns might be fine with him being a Trubisky level player as long as he creates publicity for them. Better than going 0-16 with a no-name QB. Trubisky is boring as hell AND ineffective on the field. Bad combo.

I don't buy the manziel comparison. Haven't seen anything to suggest baker doesn't work hard. The guy does care about winning (he's just very bad at losing). And baker actually has nfl talent.

DJ's left nut 12-23-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14674462)
Trubisky never showed potential like Baker did last year. You can chalk part of Bakers struggles on John Dorsey’s dumbass too.

Baker has a horrific OL and even worse coaching. Getting rid of Zeitler was devastating. Putting faith in Robinson at LT was worse. And even worse than that, Dorsey completely failed drafting a BUST LT Austin Corbett with the first pick in the 2nd rd that he traded to the Rams for a bag of Doritos.

It doesn’t matter if you have Jerry ****ing Rice if your QB has a clueless coach and an OL that doesn’t give him any time to develop plays.

Dorsey is not the great talent he was made to be here and it’s shows true every day that passes.

Corbett's been a quality player in LA, though. And Joel Bitonio is REALLY good. JC Tretter is a quality center (easily better than Reiter). And yes, Robinson is over-exposed as a LT, he isn't a genuinely good player. But he's not a complete disaster either. He's a damn sight better than what Mahomes was having to make due with in Erving for better than half the season.

Blaming the OL is the thing teams do when their QB isn't nearly as good as they'd hoped. Its what people did with Smith for years and said that was the reason Smith would struggle.

Turns out that good quarterbacks can make due. It's not ideal - just look at what Mahomes has had to deal with - but it's not a death knell either. You put Mahomes behind that OL and he'd still be excellent. And the sack numbers would be WAY down.

Good quarterbacks help their OL just as much as their OL helps them. Mayfield isn't getting pristine protection out there, but he's doing absolutely nothing to help his guys out either. And he's making them look worse than they are - the same as Smith used to do.

Part of it is that Mayfield makes his OL look worse than it is.

-King- 12-23-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674476)
Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.

Oh I wasn't aware of that.

DJ's left nut 12-23-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674464)
There's also a middle ground where the guy is limited but a lot better than what his critics say. Sometimes the critical approach is to assume a guy's 100% flawed. I don't think he's a great qb by any stretch but I don't see why at least early in his career he couldn't be an effective game manager.

Few people think he can't play in the league. Most simply think this "Mahomes vs. Mayfield: A decades long rivalry in the making!" nonsense is laughable. For Chiefs fans in particular, we're still a little chaffed by the Browns game last year when talking heads wanted to pretend like Mayfield was going to dust Mahomes or in the offseason when there were actual arguments that Mayfield might be a better player.

I mean he's REALLY Cutlerish. And Cutler was a dangerous QB for both his opponents and his team. He'd win some games for the Broncos/Bears that they should've lost. And he'd lose them some games they should've won. And he was a D-bag. And everyone always wanted to blame the OL or the Coaches when he was the QB.

In reality, guy just wasn't as good as people hoped he would be.


Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14674475)
I think good coaching can help a lot of that. He doesn't have good coaching at all. Kitchens is probably a bottom 3 head coach right now.

Hard to say - I just have such a hard time convincing myself that anybody with a strong tendency at this level will ever truly clear themselves of it. Josh Allen, for instance, will never be accurate though he could be less inaccurate. I don't think Mayfield will ever have good pocket presence or ball security. Now he may be less bad at those things, but we're still talking about...well like I said, Jay Cutler.

And he'll have to humble himself in a big way to deal with the ball security thing. Too many of his interceptions come from "I'm Baker ****ing Mayfield; Imma fit that ball in there..."

Until he realizes that being Baker Mayfield doesn't mean the same thing as being Patrick Mahomes, he's gonna have interception problems. Deshaun Watson made some progress there last season and seems to have his interceptions into an acceptably normal range after being a turnover machine in college. Maybe Mayfield can get there, but not if he can't turn the Baker Mayfield dial down to maybe a 7. And he's not doing that if he doesn't get his ego in check.

DRM08 12-23-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674483)
I don't buy the manziel comparison. Haven't seen anything to suggest baker doesn't work hard. The guy does care about winning (he's just very bad at losing). And baker actually has nfl talent.

I agree he’s more talented than Manziel. I don’t think the Browns need him to be a phenom level player. As long as he is able to win 6+ games each year, that is good enough in Cleveland.

staylor26 12-23-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674476)
Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.

I must’ve missed this one. Link?

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674523)
Few people think he can't play in the league. Most simply think this "Mahomes vs. Mayfield: A decades long rivalry in the making!" nonsense is laughable. For Chiefs fans in particular, we're still a little chaffed by the Browns game last year when talking heads wanted to pretend like Mayfield was going to dust Mahomes or in the offseason when there were actual arguments that Mayfield might be a better player.

I mean he's REALLY Cutlerish. And Cutler was a dangerous QB for both his opponents and his team. He'd win some games for the Broncos/Bears that they should've lost. And he'd lose them some games they should've won. And he was a D-bag. And everyone always wanted to blame the OL or the Coaches when he was the QB.

In reality, guy just wasn't as good as people hoped he would be.




Hard to say - I just have such a hard time convincing myself that anybody with a strong tendency at this level will ever truly clear themselves of it. Josh Allen, for instance, will never be accurate though he could be less inaccurate. I don't think Mayfield will ever have good pocket presence or ball security. Now he may be less bad at those things, but we're still talking about...well like I said, Jay Cutler.

And he'll have to humble himself in a big way to deal with the ball security thing. Too many of his interceptions come from "I'm Baker ****ing Mayfield; Imma fit that ball in there..."

Until he realizes that being Baker Mayfield doesn't mean the same thing as being Patrick Mahomes, he's gonna have interception problems. Deshaun Watson made some progress there last season and seems to have his interceptions into an acceptably normal range after being a turnover machine in college. Maybe Mayfield can get there, but not if he can't turn the Baker Mayfield dial down to maybe a 7. And he's not doing that if he doesn't get his ego in check.

Well, I said the instant kitchens was hired that he was the worst possible choice for baker. He needs a handler. Not a disciplinarian, not an enabler. Someone who lets baker be baker, but also reigns him in. I don't know why kitchens wasn't fired on the spot when he wore that ridiculous Pittsburgh started it shirt. How can you expect your qb to be mature when your coach is just as immature.

A coach last year said that Ken zampese, not kitchens, was responsible for Mayfields success and I buy that. Kitchens has elite running backs and he is even worse than Reid at ignoring the run. Kitchens thinks he has mahomes. Mayfield needs a coach who treats him like Josh allen or garopolo. Establish the run first. Baker in a run first offense can become dangerous because you can roll him out all over the place and he is actually outstanding throwing on the run. I don't know if baker can ever grow as a pocket qb but my God kitchens has to build around his strengths, not his weaknesses.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674476)
Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.

He was kind of painted knto a corner on that one. Say nothing, and you act like youre not supporting your teammate. The problem was Dorsey brought in a drama queen into a locker room with a qb and coach who have no idea how to handle him.

Chris Meck 12-23-2019 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674399)
You also told us the Browns were going to be 10-6 at absolute worst and a big ****ing problem in the playoffs.

Of course you’re going to say it’s ALL Kitchens now.

Look, Kitchens ****ing sucks, but Baker is by far the second biggest problem on that football team considering the position he plays and where he was drafted.

The dude looked more like a late round/UDFA than a #1 overall pick. There’s literally nothing he did in 15 games that looked like a #1 overall franchise QB. He has no elite traits, and he doesn’t even have the confidence of his own teammates. If he even flashed this year, OBJ and Landry wouldn’t be dying to play elsewhere right now.

They should have been. With the talent they have and I include Baker in that. They're just like the Cowboys, lots of talent s*** coaching. It's cool you don't have to agree but this is one of those times when history will prove me right.

O.city 12-23-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674575)
He was kind of painted knto a corner on that one. Say nothing, and you act like youre not supporting your teammate. The problem was Dorsey brought in a drama queen into a locker room with a qb and coach who have no idea how to handle him.

Painted into a corner? Uh, nah.

Just say anything else. Don't be a dumbass.

staylor26 12-23-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674617)
They should have been. With the talent they have and I include Baker in that. They're just like the Cowboys, lots of talent s*** coaching. It's cool you don't have to agree but this is one of those times when history will prove me right.

LMAO

You sound just like everybody on CP that tried to tell me Carr would be really good. You’re not the only person that’s ever been right about a QB despite what you think.

I’ll be waiting for the bump because I’m even more certain that you are wrong. Baker will never be anything more than an average QB at best. He’ll never be anywhere close to top 5. I’d bet my life on it.

chiefzilla1501 12-23-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674622)
Painted into a corner? Uh, nah.

Just say anything else. Don't be a dumbass.

As usual he put his foot in his mouth. I agree, he shouldn't have said anything. But obj is the type of drama queen who can blow that up into baker being a terrible teammate. It's lose lose. Again, the biggest culprit was Dorsey pairing an explosive locker room cancer like obj with totally inexperienced coaches and leaders.

Buehler445 12-23-2019 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674426)
Was it hogfarmer that continually pimped Manziel until he just couldn't anymore?

Whoever it was, you sound like that guy.

Nothing's ever Baker's fault - just wait and you'll see...

It was Hog Farmer. And mother****er HAD to be trolling. He kept going until he was out of the Canadian league ROFL. A lot like that ****ing jumping jack thing he did in the fitness thread.

Nobody commits harder to a troll than Hog.

bobbything 12-23-2019 02:07 PM

I don't know if Mayfield is any more or less talented than any other starting QB out there but what I do know is the guy has absolutely no idea how to be a professional. I don't know that any coach would be able to deal with all the ping pong balls bouncing around in his head.

If I had to put money on it, he's going to end up like Jeff George. Probably piddle around on a few teams at 9-7, 10-6 at best. Sneak into the playoffs a time or two. Then torpedo his own career because he's an asswipe.

ToxSocks 12-23-2019 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 14674781)

If I had to put money on it, he's going to end up like Jay Cutler . Probably piddle around on a few teams at 9-7, 10-6 at best. Sneak into the playoffs a time or two. Then torpedo his own career because he's an asswipe.

FYP

bobbything 12-23-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14674784)
FYP

Jeff George 2.0

NJChiefsFan 12-23-2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674403)
Next time someone says it's all about talent, we can point to this years Browns and Cowboys teams and say "nah, it's not".

Don't forget the Rams. And the Jags defense.

RealSNR 12-23-2019 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674382)

I mean, he may be a douche. He's certainly no more of a douche than 99% of this board.

Lol. What?

Baker Mayfield is an epic douche. He's WAY more of a douche than 99% of this board.

Chris, I love ya, but if you're an Oklahoma fan (I don't know if you are or not) you gotta just admit it, dude. You're really letting your love for one of your players blind you to the truth. No, don't even try spinning it as, "Well, yeah, he's hatable to most of the NFL and their fans, but I'll tell you what, I guarantee if you were an NFL player there's no guy you'd want more in your foxhole than Baker Mayfield..."

Yeah there is. You can be fiercely competitive and protective of your teammates and also not be a flaming douche to the outside world. We happen to have a QB like that. Maybe you've heard of him. It IS possible to do that.

Baker's a ****ing turd.

Chris Meck 12-24-2019 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14675584)
Lol. What?

Baker Mayfield is an epic douche. He's WAY more of a douche than 99% of this board.

Chris, I love ya, but if you're an Oklahoma fan (I don't know if you are or not) you gotta just admit it, dude. You're really letting your love for one of your players blind you to the truth. No, don't even try spinning it as, "Well, yeah, he's hatable to most of the NFL and their fans, but I'll tell you what, I guarantee if you were an NFL player there's no guy you'd want more in your foxhole than Baker Mayfield..."

Yeah there is. You can be fiercely competitive and protective of your teammates and also not be a flaming douche to the outside world. We happen to have a QB like that. Maybe you've heard of him. It IS possible to do that.

Baker's a ****ing turd.

I'm not an Oklahoma fan. As a matter of fact, I hate the whole damned state after being stationed there in the army. It's the armpit of America.

He's not Mahomes, in any way.

Mahomes was groomed for this his whole life. He knows exactly what to say and what's appropriate.

Baker's different, and I kind of like his rough edges. I kind of like that he just says what's on his mind. Sometimes that'll get you in trouble.

It's all good, y'all can think what you want, I'm not going to change your minds and you're not going to change mine.

If he flames out, I'll admit I was wrong.

I don't think he will.

BigCatDaddy 12-24-2019 12:39 AM

I'm an OU fan and knew Baker wouldn't amount to shit. The ouck was puzzling as hell.

TribalElder 12-24-2019 01:17 AM

Mayfield has more Progressive commercials than he does wins

ChiefsFanatic 12-24-2019 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674316)
Freddie kitchens is the worst possible choice for mayfield.

The Browns drafted a potentially very good young QB, they drafted and signed good players on both sides of the ball, and then added a superstar WR in OBJ.

But the Browns gotta Browns, and they did the most Browns thing ever by hiring a HC who had never even spent an entire season as a coordinator. Kitchens was the absolute worst choice, and that's exactly why the Browns hired him. Instead of making a football decision, a decision that took the big picture of what they were trying to build into consideration, they somehow let themselves be bullied by a rookie QB, and chose a HC that they thought would make him happy.

I am convinced that Paul Brown must have made a deal with the devil, somehow dooming all professional football teams from Ohio. But the city of Cleveland kinda deserves it. They like to think they have great fans, but those great fans couldn't get a vote passed for a new stadium. The Browns played in the worst stadium in the NFL, the Mistake by the Lake, and they basically forced their team to move.

Then their former team goes on to win a couple of Super Bowls in a new city. What a kick in the nuts. If the fans had worked to get the new stadium approved, those Championships would belong to Cleveland. Instead, they only approve a new stadium after they force their beloved team out of the city.

If they don't fire Kitchens after this season, they deserve to keep losing. But, this is also the Browns we are talking about, and they didn't fire Hue Jackson when his record was something like 1-31.



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lewdog 12-24-2019 07:01 AM

Chris coming off douchier than Baker is this thread.

Is that even possible?!?!?!

Chris Meck 12-24-2019 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 14675678)
Chris coming off douchier than Baker is this thread.

Is that even possible?!?!?!


ooh, my feelings are hurt.

chiefzilla1501 12-24-2019 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14675653)
The Browns drafted a potentially very good young QB, they drafted and signed good players on both sides of the ball, and then added a superstar WR in OBJ.

But the Browns gotta Browns, and they did the most Browns thing ever by hiring a HC who had never even spent an entire season as a coordinator. Kitchens was the absolute worst choice, and that's exactly why the Browns hired him. Instead of making a football decision, a decision that took the big picture of what they were trying to build into consideration, they somehow let themselves be bullied by a rookie QB, and chose a HC that they thought would make him happy.

I am convinced that Paul Brown must have made a deal with the devil, somehow dooming all professional football teams from Ohio. But the city of Cleveland kinda deserves it. They like to think they have great fans, but those great fans couldn't get a vote passed for a new stadium. The Browns played in the worst stadium in the NFL, the Mistake by the Lake, and they basically forced their team to move.

Then their former team goes on to win a couple of Super Bowls in a new city. What a kick in the nuts. If the fans had worked to get the new stadium approved, those Championships would belong to Cleveland. Instead, they only approve a new stadium after they force their beloved team out of the city.

If they don't fire Kitchens after this season, they deserve to keep losing. But, this is also the Browns we are talking about, and they didn't fire Hue Jackson when his record was something like 1-31.



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It's too funny for words. This whole spiral started because Dee haslem was friends with the Jacksons and refused to fire hue Jackson last year. That put Freddie into a temp job where he earned players trust (same way Romeo did after haley was fired in kc). And they were forced to promote Gregg Williams. They could have walked into this offseason with a clean slate and kept Gregg Williams as DC.

RedRaider56 12-24-2019 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674369)

He’s a douche of the highest order and he also ****ing sucks. Sorry dude, but it is what it is.

Absolutely agree with this take on Baker. He's been that way since high school.
Quits when shit doesn't go his way and blames everyone else.

BigBeauford 12-24-2019 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14675653)
The Browns drafted a potentially very good young QB, they drafted and signed good players on both sides of the ball, and then added a superstar WR in OBJ.

But the Browns gotta Browns, and they did the most Browns thing ever by hiring a HC who had never even spent an entire season as a coordinator. Kitchens was the absolute worst choice, and that's exactly why the Browns hired him. Instead of making a football decision, a decision that took the big picture of what they were trying to build into consideration, they somehow let themselves be bullied by a rookie QB, and chose a HC that they thought would make him happy.

I am convinced that Paul Brown must have made a deal with the devil, somehow dooming all professional football teams from Ohio. But the city of Cleveland kinda deserves it. They like to think they have great fans, but those great fans couldn't get a vote passed for a new stadium. The Browns played in the worst stadium in the NFL, the Mistake by the Lake, and they basically forced their team to move.

Then their former team goes on to win a couple of Super Bowls in a new city. What a kick in the nuts. If the fans had worked to get the new stadium approved, those Championships would belong to Cleveland. Instead, they only approve a new stadium after they force their beloved team out of the city.

If they don't fire Kitchens after this season, they deserve to keep losing. But, this is also the Browns we are talking about, and they didn't fire Hue Jackson when his record was something like 1-31.



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I hope we have seen the last days of citizens financing stadiums for these billionaire owners. What an absurd concept.

RealSNR 12-24-2019 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RedRaider56 (Post 14675704)
Absolutely agree with this take on Baker. He's been that way since high school.
Quits when shit doesn't go his way and blames everyone else.

NO WAY HE'S A FIGHTER AND THRIVES WITH A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER YOU WOULDN'T BE TALKING SHIT ABOUT HIM IF YOU HAD HIM IN YOUR FOXHOLE!!!!!!!!111111

DeepPurple 12-24-2019 08:55 AM

It's pretty obvious one reason the Browns Suck

Browns First Round QB Picks

2018 Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma

2014 Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M

2012 Brandon Weeden - Oklahoma State

2007 Brady Quinn - Notre Dame

1999 Tim Couch - Kentucky

Other First Round Picks

2017 Jabrill Peppers - plays for the Giants

2016 Myles Garrett - suspended

2016 Corey Coleman - plays for the Giants

2015 Cameron Irving - plays for the Chiefs

2014 Danny Shelton - plays for the Pats

2013 Justin Gilbert - out of football

2013 Barkevious Mingo - plays for the Texans

2012 Trent Richardson - out of football

2011 Phil Taylor - out of football

2010 Joe Haden - plays for the Steelers

RedRaider56 12-24-2019 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14675757)
NO WAY HE'S A FIGHTER AND THRIVES WITH A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER YOU WOULDN'T BE TALKING SHIT ABOUT HIM IF YOU HAD HIM IN YOUR FOXHOLE!!!!!!!!111111

Well of course not. I'd be suggesting: Hey Baker , why don't you put your head up over the edge and see if that sniper is still out there. ok? Thanks, buddy!

Skyy God 12-24-2019 10:16 AM

Refresher: the Browns are owned by a high functioning reerun.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

RINGLEADER 12-24-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepPurple (Post 14675758)
It's pretty obvious one reason the Browns Suck

Browns First Round QB Picks

2018 Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma

2014 Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M

2012 Brandon Weeden - Oklahoma State

2007 Brady Quinn - Notre Dame

1999 Tim Couch - Kentucky

Other First Round Picks

2017 Jabrill Peppers - plays for the Giants

2016 Myles Garrett - suspended

2016 Corey Coleman - plays for the Giants

2015 Cameron Irving - plays for the Chiefs

2014 Danny Shelton - plays for the Pats

2013 Justin Gilbert - out of football

2013 Barkevious Mingo - plays for the Texans

2012 Trent Richardson - out of football

2011 Phil Taylor - out of football

2010 Joe Haden - plays for the Steelers


That’s an impressive list of suck.

It’s even more impressive when you consider those players represent the 7th, 21st, 3rd, 22nd, 6th, 8th, 12th, 22nd, 19th, 15th, 1st, 25th, and 1st overall picks (just in the last 10 seasons!).

Only 2 out of 15 players still with the team (and one of those suspended indefinitely).

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-24-2019 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14674385)
History will prove me right here.

You're all going to be hating Mayfield for the next fifteen years or so.

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Aaaaaand off the full reerun ledge we step...


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