<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beloved and respected college baseball coach John Altobelli, his wife Keri and daughter Alyssa were along those killed in the helicopter crash, his family confirmed. <a href="https://t.co/LeytsVsdhk">https://t.co/LeytsVsdhk</a> via ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@USATODAY</a>⁩</p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1221594904788258816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Thread about Koby.
"Reporter" said something that was kind of
"Whhhhatttt"
Is it wrong to discuss what the hell she was thinking?
Her denials are worse than...........
never mind

Really Really sorry to hear this.
God Speed John and Family

It's probably too emotional a matter to 'explain,' but it strikes me that the most logical and likely is that she wasn't all that versed in the NBA and started to say the LA Knicks, then realized mid-vocalization that it was the Lakers.

EDIT - to be clear, this was my supposition, BEFORE I even saw that the news anchor went public with that precise explanation.

How about starting a new thread on this supposed insult by this news reader. Leave that crap out of a in memoriam thread.

A great and terrible loss, RIP.

Agreed
apologize for the hijack

Perhaps you should just not watch them. I, for one, love the Grammy's and they are honoring him big time.

Not Watching
Glad to hear Koby is being honored

This for Lakers fans has to be like DT and Delaney news for Chiefs fans rolled into one. So tragic that nine lost their lives, especially the kids. Flying in fog is dangerous, and always has been. Same thing killed Patsy Cline, flying in fog.

have trouble hearing or something?

don't care, they helped create cancel culture. Let them reap what they sow.

There is a lot right with what you've posted here, but also some wrong.

It takes work and hours, but I think the average guy could get competent enough with a small airplane to reasonably remove catastrophic pilot error from all but the most extreme outliers of situations. And let's be real here - a vast majority of terrestrial vehicle operators have not achieved this competency. Sure, the stakes are lower, but one can certainly get dead in a terrestrial vehicle.

Dad's got a 182 my grandpa bought and we've had some pretty in depth discussions about safety. Similarly some friends of mine (who happen to exist in a different universe financially than I do) love to fly and lent their plane to a friend who crashed it. I think there was a thread about it here. Anyway, they've dedicated themselves to safety, education and mitigating risk. I really think you can get there, but yeah, the fresh faced newly licensed pilot isn't there. Small planes catch a bad rap, but I'll repeat, I think the average small plane pilot can get competent enough to reasonably remove catastrophic pilot error from all but the most extreme outliers of situations.

Those friends of mine have a ton of hours in a simulator that they simulate crazy shit happening. Dad also took some aerobatics training that he said really helped to potentially prepare him for weird shit happening. Largely though, the go/no go decision framed with an objective analysis of your competencies as a pilot contribute the most to preventing bad shit.

I'm not a pilot but I love to fly in small planes. Grandpa built 3 different planes and I've got quite a few trips - mostly in the county in them, and I'm fairly comfortable that I've only been in one situation that could get hairy. It was a front that moved in and it was windy as ****. Our grass strip at the farm had an impediment that wrecked the aerodynamics in the wind. Dad had good presence of mind to identify what was happening and take another lap. I guess another time we flew into some ice, but that didn't take anything other than the decision to turn around.

Sad and tragic death. So sorry to hear about it earlier today

I grew up with Mooney's and Cessna's. Probably inheriting my dad's 172 RG. I bought him the 3 bladed prop he put on it. We used to rebuild airplanes in our garage. Favorite was the 1953 PA20 Pacer (Piper). It was white and metallic green. Had a stick. Here's me with it at Roosterville Airport outside of Liberty. I took off and flew nearly all of the dozens of airplanes we owned but never this one. As of last year, this plane has skid's on it and is being flown around Alaska.

https://i.imgur.com/w5txOQh.jpg

Pretty cool
memories my friend
memories

I was shocked when I read the news on Twitter earlier. You see stories about helicopter crashes coming out of places like Hawai'i almost every month. That's why I made a promise to myself to never get on a helicopter. They are just not as safe as planes.

I talked to my Dad about this today and how much more comfortable I'd be in a plane than copter on engine failure. He told me he had the same conversation with the FAA guy that certified grandpa's planes. The FAA guy said, "no, the blades are an airfoil. As air moves across it, they'll turn. You're going down, but you'll have control. I gave Dad this super skeptical :BS: kind of look, but WTF do I know, he may be right.

No doubt a horrible tragedy! I wouldn’t be surprised to see something come out that the 49ers are dedicating their performance to Kobe or even all wearing number 9 jerseys.

are people that dumb on CP? Like one of the training things on a helo is being able to put the thing down with engine failure.

No they're just trolling you.

Instead of his step back jump shot celebration, Mahomes should do that patented Kobe turnaround fade-away at the Super Bowl

SF and LA are six hours apart. Warriors are the Bay area’s NBA team.

I can say without a doubt, helicopter crashes ****ing suck. A lot. A whole ****ing lot.


Also Blackhawks have been designed to fall from like 40-60 feet straight to the ground and keep the passengers safe from injuries. Something between the suspension on the bird and the suspension seats inside.

Edit: the blades will spin if you are moving forward fast enough, from my experience if you are just holding in place. Then the blades shit out, not much spinning from them.

Bet he does. He's cool like that.

**** TMZ

https://twitter.com/ScottFeinberg/st...262247427?s=19

Look at this reerun

Ashley Tippin
4 mins ·
Am I the only one who remembers when Kobe Bryant was on TRIAL for the rape of a young woman that his team so mercilessly slut shamed and raked over the coals to the point where she dropped the charges and went into hiding? No love lost here. ��*♀️

You should see the Reddit threads...

I know next to nothing about copters, I'll yield to the experts.

The main issues with private aircraft isn't the aircraft itself; it's the pilots. The vast majority of private pilots don't train for emergency situations often enough, if at all. Professional pilots train for all manner of emergencies regularly.

So when something goes wrong for a private pilot there's usually the "oh shit!" moment, which can last several minutes in the worst cases. Which is usually how those pilots crash. But even if they only freak out for ten seconds, that often can be the difference between surviving and not. Professional pilots train for emergencies, so when something goes awry, it takes just a few seconds to assess and evaluate the issue, and then decide on a course of action and run through our memory items. We call this process an OODA loop (google it). Most private pilots don't have this system instilled in their muscle memory, as it were.

There's also the issue of maintenance, and private pilots tend to have a lower expectation of what is proper maintenance than what a commercial operation would. But at this point we don't know exactly what the real issue was, so I can't comment on that in this case.

I also don't know anything about the pilot, but I would think that Kobe Bryant would have a highly experienced pilot for his helo. The results of the NTSB's investigation will be interesting.

I guess there is some kind of logic behind it but, not enough for me to prefer a falling chopper to a parachute. It might give you some control but, how much does it really slow you down?

Give me the ‘chute every time.

I remember that. The circumstances are still awful though.

Exactly why I don't fly. I'd be dead.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LA County Sheriff rightly slams TMZ for breaking the Kobe news before his family could be informed. They are a despicable organization.</p>&mdash; Scott Feinberg (@ScottFeinberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottFeinberg/status/1221563310262247427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO Perfect.

When Kansas's plane blew up because they threw a stool or whatever in one of the engines earlier this year the drivers were so cool about it lol

Again. It's really a thing you do to get your lic.

I'm asking this question out of sheer curiosity, as I have no idea how situations like this work.

Is it possible to do a toxicology test in a crash like this?

Yup.

You're right on the hours. It takes far more hours to get licensed for a twin engine than a single.

However, engine failure isn't necessarily easier than single. Especially takeoff and landing. That engine is contributing a hell of a lot of thrust and when that goes away, especially suddenly, it can cause a spin, which is a bitch to get out of with one engine. What the pilot has to do is feather the prop, which is to disengage the prop from the motor so it can spin, then you have to rudder the **** out of the thing to get it straight.

If you're close to the ground it can get hairy in a hurry. If you lose it in a single engine and there is no place to land you're ****ed in epic proportions. But managing the aircraft is far easier.

apparently this is from 2017, weird and a little spooky.

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And I don’t doubt that. But and the auto rotation clearly didn’t help today. Granted, we don’t know all of the circumstances from today’s accident... But still...

Yeah, almost all plane accidents result from pilot error. Which is why I noted most pilots don't have near enough competency to do it, but neither do terrestrial vehicle operators.

Me too man. But let's be clear, if I'm in a helo, it's unlikely I can chute safely anyway.

Assuming it is mandatory

Here's the RG: https://i.imgur.com/sSNZ3Rp.png

6600 total hours. 150 with new prop. 150 since last annual.

Honestly, I'm not sure.

You have to understand that when I go to emergency procedures training every six months we get a handout listing the incidents that we're going to cover, which has details such as a toxicology report within, but they don't tell us how they gathered that info usually. It's just a line item basically.

The focus is on what actually happened and how the accident could've been prevented/mitigated using the training that we've received. Not on whether a pilot was intoxicated somehow, since we're obviously not supposed to be intoxicated while working.

Reminds me of the Johnny Bravo episode that seemed to predict 9/11. So freaking strange.

I'm not a pilot but wanted to poll the CP audience

If a helicopter has engine issues, that's pretty much that and it is going to hit the ground right? There isn't really a way to coast to the ground in a helicopter right? If a small plane has engine issues they have somewhat of a shot if they can coast to a safe landing right?

I'll be interested in hearing more about the fire onboard or whatever mechanical issue caused the helicopter to go down.

RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...1708Z/tracklog

Here’s a couple post of the flight data and comms.
If it”s accurate and you know what to listen for around that airspace it paints a picture of a single pilot flying a Sikorsky S76 under SVFR helo rules when IMC conditions likely existed.

Having flown around there for years with multiple types of aircraft, and using a “special” Naval Instrument rating (0-0 takeoff and landing mins beyond FAA published mins.The joke was always that anybody with a “special” card was smart enough not to use it) and having run or reviewed for endorsement multiple mishap boards, I have my initial opinions but the mishap board will determine the most likely cause.

He’s ‘scum runnin” around the airspace in bad weather and not flying IFR. He’s in a superb executive commercial helo.

Again, in English, please.

New FAA rules, as of Jan. 1

https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft...n_BObbBRbHa7hA

Told ya you had to know what to listen for.

He crashed. Likely pilotage, bad judgement, bad weather, hills, crowded busy airspace.

Knickers. It was clearly a CK

Yeah our ground based radar FAA system and rules is way obsolete in busy urban airports near each other. The political issue is our private pilots, industry, aviation open history, and rural or dispersed airfields. 2 very different uses of airspace.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-upd...ia-2020-01-26/

LAPD says they grounded their helicopters Sunday morning

Los Angeles Police Department spokesman Josh Rubenstein confirmed Sunday night they had grounded the department's Air Support division grounded its helicopters in the morning due to foggy conditions and didn't fly until later in the afternoon.

"The weather situation did not meet our minimum standards for flying," Rubenstein said.

The fog "was enough that we were not flying." He said the police department's are two miles of visibility and an 800-foot cloud ceiling. The department typically flies two helicopters when conditions allow — one in the San Fernando Valley and one in the L.A. basin, he said.

This guy explains it well

https://youtu.be/cttx236mUIE

When I heard about Kobe I was saddened but understood that incidents like this, though not common, still happen from time to time. But to hear that his daughter was also lost and seeing the pictures of him and her on the news just feels like a punch In the stomach right now...just so fecking tragic. Rip to Kobe and Gianna and condolences to his family

The pics get me. That smile. That presence. That aura. That exceptionalism. That father and husband. Gone.

What an awful and tragic day. One of the greatest players ever for sure, but he was an icon around the world in a way that very few are and ever have been.

I believe there are visual flight rules and instrument flight rules. You need to behave differently, fly more seriously, pay better attention, follow more rules, et cetera. If you're driving your car on a bright sunny day you can relax a lot more than if you're driving in the windy foggy rain. Likewise, if you're not the best driver, you're gonna have a problem if you speed down the highway with no lights and wipers. Not saying this pilot was that bad, but shitty weather certainly eliminates your margin of error if you're not very good at your job.

Everyone's pretty on point on the plane vs. copter debate. Sure, you can autorotate a copter, but it's certainly not as easy or aerodynamic as an airplane. Assuming you're not too close to the ground and there's a flat area, a gliding powerless airplane is a lot easier to land as long as you have enough lift and airspeed. A powerless airplane heads horizontally for a while. A powerless helicopter heads vertically.

It takes a certain set of balls to fly a copter, or even ride in one. I remember years ago flying in a general aviation single engine Cessna with a pilot friend. We flew out of a tiny regional airstrip. In the bathroom they had a Xerox cartoon of a plane that said, "This is your brain." Under that was a helicopter and it said, "This is your brain on drugs."

Here it is. Don't watch. Damn.

Not embedding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN9v...XGryC5LfZ7r9HQ

Dude this has already been posted and debunked

Ya thats not it.

IF that's the real video of this crash (and that's a big "if"), that clearly looks like engine failure and the pilot was doing the best he could. He was autorotating straight down. If that was over flat terrain, maybe the copter crashes into the ground at a decent car-crash speed but at least you have a chance; in that canyon, no ****ing way you can do anything about it.

Good. Cause ****.

Your mom is a whore, BTW.

I think that video is a hoax. Conditions for Kobe were very foggy which isn’t the case in this video, and most of the comments in the video seem to be in Spanish (which could be the case in LA, I guess.)

I landed at LAX minutes before the crash. Horrifying. I wish I hadn’t watched that.
Prayers to all the families.

PS. The fog was exceptionally bad today here.

Was a good video for the present discussion.
That chopper. Sounded like it had power. Yet was spinning out of control..

I won’t argue the vid may be a hoax, but I will add it was a very high fog. Like you could see the road fine, but the upper atmosphere was very very thick. I asked the Uber driver we were with was it smog, and he said no. Just a bad fog.

I thought it sounded like was running. But I dont know shit about helicopters.

That video isn’t the real deal. Didn’t watch but can see from the comments.

That a helo crash into a canyon dont think its Koby.

News videos of the wreck had fog up to the crash site still.

That's not the same incident. Visibility, landscape, it's pretty obvious.

That ain't Calabasas and it ain't Kobe's chopper.

When the NTSB does their investigation, it will be interesting to see if it was engine failure, pilot error, weather, or a combo of all of the above. Since the LAPD had grounded their helicopters, seems like nobody should have been flying helicopters this AM until the weather cleared up.

It won’t surprise me if they were following the 101, got lost in the fog and didn’t stay with the highway when it jogged to the left. It’s almost a straight line from the highway to the crash site. All speculation but looking like it was the weather.

In that youtube the air controller radios you are still to low just before it disappears from radar. It sure appears the helo pilot flew it into the ground.

It will be interesting who was piloting and how much experience.

Pretty sure it's not, I live in the area and there is no fog in that video like there was this morning

Here's the radio transmissions for the helicopter. Nothing too revealing, other than they got too low. Could be pilot error with the fog forcing the pilot to a lower altitude, mechanical problems, probably a bunch of other shit I don't know about. But it sounds like they communicated with the tower until pretty close to the end.

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