Clyde Edwards reminds me of a better MJD

A.J. Terrell

By size I meant height obviously. Everything else you’re saying is true and I agree that he’s arguably the best S in this class, but you’re ignoring those 2 reasons why even those draft experts that love him are saying/hearing that he’s an early round 2 guy.

I don't think he's anywhere near as explosive as Kamara.

I keep watching and i keep seeing a guy who can't escape through these holes the way some of these other guys can.

There's no get up and go unless he's full speed running through a wide open hole.

He doesn't make and find holes himself with elite stop/go.

I know the Chiefs interviewed him and his dad was a really high level player but it would surprise me a bit if we took him.

Delpit I really like, Queen obviously.

I honestly have no idea what you’re watching.

Like at all.

Delpit is my mission. Like Bradbury last year, I'm going to spend draft season trying to convince people he'd be amazing for us even if he doesn't seem necessary....then he'll go well before we have a shot at him.

Then again...Bradbury was kinda shitty last year. So there's that...

MJD is the exact same height as Clyde Edwards and is only 2 pounds lighter than him

Kyle Dugger, S, Lenoir-Rhyne
Height: 6-0. Weight: 217. Arm: 32.75. Hand: 10.13.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2020): 2-3.

3/14/20: Sources from five different teams believe Dugger has the potential to be a second-day pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. Team sources say Dugger has an excellent skill set as he is big, fast and athletic. That superb skill set was given proof at the combine, where Dugger was excellent.

I have no idea, was just wondering if he was any good?

The odds of getting a WR outside of the top 10 that can start immediately in Reid's system are incredibly long.

A guy like Hardman wasn't going to be able to play the X here - he was a package/gadget player. If you're looking to replace Watkins with a similar style of player, you'd better take him this season and spend the year getting him up to speed. OR you hope that Hardman turns into a true X next year.

In either event, I don't think the idea that you draft 'for need' at WR in Kansas City the year you need said WR stands up. You'd better be drafting a year ahead of your need at the WR position here. Reid's system is just too damn complex.

(But Higgins still isn't that guy)

Where do you play him?

He’s not really a nickel/dime backer. We have a center fielder in Thornhill and slot guys in Fenton/Mathieu. Can he hold up at SS? Winfield is probably best in the deep middle or as a Cover 2 split safety.

Love his instincts, closing speed and ball skills, but I question the versatility.

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If you can watch that and tell me he can't make anything happen I'm not sure what you're looking at.

What happened when Patrick was injured the Chiefs effective attack was eviscerate and we praying that Moore wouldn't **** up.


You're talking about coaching context, and not player involvement.

Look at what Patrick did with an elite RB and decent IOL inspite of horrible coaching on the defense in 2018.

I even said give Mahomes an average defense the Chiefs win the SB IN the beginning of 2019. Low and behold the Chiefs are the SB winners. Which is why we have seen hardly any roster change this offseason because if the defense can manage to be solid the Chiefs are going to be in the SB again..

Chiefs don't have a game manager at QB they need to protect him because of the below average OL and RB play had him limping and then injured for 2 and half games

It’s an absurd take.

I get not having Swift as your #1 RB in this class, but to say he can’t create on his own is absurd.

He's absolutely a dime DB and w/ Mathieu's versatility, you kick him down and run Thornhill/Winfield in the back end in Nickel sets. Hell, he has the athleticism to do it in his own right, IMO.

I mean...still not the pick I'd make, but the idea that there's no room for him doesn't play either. If Veach thinks he's the best safety in the class and the best player on the board, take him. Spags will find a good use for him for sure.

I guarantee we take a WR in either the first or second round

I mean there could be value in having another guy like Tyrann who I think he’s most comparable too.

But guys like Delpit and Chinn also give you versatility, but in a different package/form.

I don’t really think you could go wrong either way.

Sorensen does better than HB when you kick him down. HB will play all over and I don’t think he minds that tbh. Thornhill is strictly a safety but could play some CB

The only real question I have is his pass protection but to be honest he's about where a college back is going to be, he's not awful at it but most college guys just don't do it.

Delpit is also from LSU and HB bleeds LSU pride. Paid him up with a LSU player and I have no doubt that they would make it work

Williams is an excellent blocker. I’d have him as the third down back. Swift can rotate in with Williams and Washington

Dude got hurt on a QB sneak. Just exactly what kind of player are you going to add that prevents that?

Ultimately you can't team-build out of fear. The best OTs in the league get beat from time to time - and far more often when DL's get to pin their ears back and attack. Your quarterback is gonna get hit. A lot. But ultimately both Mahomes, his defense and his coaching staff can do more to prevent that than any single player added to the line can (unless said player is replacing Cam Erving, who was trash).

And lets not keep acting like Mahomes had dogshit protection otherwise. Reiter's a horrifying run blocker but he's an asset in pass pro. Wylie was a bad run blocker but again, a solid to good pass blocker. LDT....well LDT kinda sucked, but if he's that bad again, Remmers was a quality pass-blocking OT who should be even better on the interior. Rankins can probably play and ultimately this staff has flat out built dudes like Wylie into quality pass blockers.

Mahomes wasn't getting poor protection last year apart from when Fisher went down. Overreacting and reaching for IOLs with the idea that you're somehow going to build him an impenetrable line is just not gonna help matters.

Part of why I question a Winfield acquisition has nothing to do with his talent, but more at guessing what Spagnuolo likes with his personnel after seeing it in action for one year in Kansas City. You are clamouring for Delpit as a strong consideration for the first pick by the Chiefs, and I can totally see why because he is so versatile.

Delpit can play in the box and attack the backfield where as more of Winfield’s opportunities to do so come from the “sky” (term I use for outside the box). I think you have more success asking a guy like Delpit to play a little single high, split cover two, and track as a box defender where necessary. I don’t see that same luxury with Winfield in his ability to match up with every type of personnel groupings one might see. I think Winfield’s strength is being allowed to sit back and read plays as they develop and use his exceptional instincts to make plays on the ball. My worry with Winfield is that he can get bodied/boxed out by bigger receivers.

I can't even respond to this.

It's literally too stupid to address.

Bet you are wrong.

Who’s your current top 5 guys?

I think my final one is:

1. Queen
2. Murray
3. Fulton
4. Gladney
5. Epenesa

Gladney and Fulton are pretty much interchangeable for me. If they were both in the board it would be a tough decision.

Agree - Winfield would be best in a true 'single high' role.

But that's where you benefit from Mathieu's versatility and even Thornhill's. Juan's no wilting daisy out there - he'll hit a guy. In 3-safety looks, you could easily put HB in the slot, move Thornhill into a SS role and Winfield into a single-high look.

But ultimately I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze there at 32. I think Delpit can fundamentally alter your approach and effectively allow you to play him every down. Winfield...eh, more of a strict nickel package guy because I don't think he's quite as versatile so you can't disguise what you're doing as well with him on the field.

I actually agree with this list. Maybe put Ruiz in there if he’s available

Yeah, me too.

I LOVED Fulton last season when I was dead certain he was going to come out. I thought we had a guy we could grab in the 2nd and laugh all the way to the bank. Then the guy completely wrong-footed me and decided to stay in.

So I watched him more last season and saw a guy who's maybe less explosive but more polished than I thought. I think he has a really high floor - gonna be a solid player for a long while.

Gladney's boom/bust. Less polished, maybe less tenacious. But there are times his athleticism will just wow the hell out of me.

If they're both there, I take Gladney probably 7 times out of 10 - but that's not to shit on Fulton at all. I'm willing to gamble on upside when we have a staff that can find Wards and Fentons and build solid DBs from the ground up. Ultimately it's a lot harder to come across an elite one, though, and I think Gladney's tools make him a little more likely to make that extra leap.

I think they're both real nice prospects though. I just trust the coaching staff to be able to develop Gladney into something better and/or find a guy that's close enough to Fulton in middle/later rounds.

Completely agree.

Queen
Gladney
Delpit
Epenesa
Fulton
Murray

And I'd be happy with any of 'em. And could have a completely different list tomorrow somehow.

The thing about every single one of those guys is they’d go a long way to building that culture on D too. I don’t just love the tape and/or measurables with those guys. I love what they bring to the locker room and I think they are all a great fit.

Yeah, I really like what the Chiefs can do defensively at the back of this draft.

And gimme more hype on WRs and Jordan Love. Talk more about the greatest OT class of the last 20 years.

Because the more eyes fall on those dudes, the more of these guys that can REALLY benefit this team will fall.

There's gonna be someone at 32 that I really like. And even if everything goes to shit and it's Baun, I'll shrug my shoulders and see plenty of potential in that pick as well.

Poor rainman. Guy gets universal credit in the CP mock and then over here gets a single pity vote.

I think it'll be Gladney early in round 2.

1. McKinney S
2. Murray ILB
3. Queen ILB
4. Swift RB
5. Gladney CB

Who's the #1 offensive player you guys would be okay with at 32?

LMAO

All kidding aside Baun would be my next pick and I’m pretty sure all of those guys except for Delpit were gone in the CP mock, so he still did a fine job.

The only reason I haven’t mentioned Delpit is that I just think it’s an unlikely choice, but if It were to happen I’d be just as happy, if not even more. Safety is my favorite position to scout so it’s almost as if I won’t allow myself to get my hopes up because I’d be all in on him.

Ed Reed and Sean Taylor will do that to you.

Hmm, I’m not sure the arguably best pure cover corner falls into the second... but I’d dance a hole in the floor if it happened

Swift.

That will realistically be there?

1. Swift
2. Aiyuk
3. Reagor
4. Ruiz

1a Queen
1b Delpit
3. Epenesa
4. Dobbins
5. Swift

Queen presents the Chiefs with the three down linebacker that they’ve tried to find over the past couple drafts but were never in position to get the guy they wanted. My one concern with Queen is his lack of experience and limited film, but the consensus seems to be he is regarded as a clean prospect and will be a plug and play guy in the middle of some team’s defense.

I think back to 2006 when Tamba Hali was drafted, and a lot of Chiefs fans were lukewarm on that pick as Jared Allen was coming into prominence and some called the selection a luxury. I remember having watched a lot of Tamba‘s game film and thinking how consistent of a player he was and that he was steadily productive and a high effort/character guy. The reason I bring this up is because I feel the same way about Delpit. Watching LSU play the past couple years, he has arguably been their most consistent defender making big plays, showing great versatility and by all accounts is lauded for his leadership and accountability on the field. A lot of people knocked his tackling ability in 2018, but he put some of those concerns to rest this season. I think he checks off a lot of boxes that Steve Spagnuolo looks for in his secondary players. The film does not lie.

If Kareem Hunt was there we wouldn't have this discussion, Reid has film on what the offense looks like with an average RB playing with Mahomes and an elite one.

It's situational awareness how well the offense functioned when a young Future HOFER worked with the tools available to succeed. Mahomes' injury is something he has to deal with his whole career.

Patrick did play with dogshit protection because Wylie was good enough to get himself benched in favor of Wisniewski and Reiter and LDT got their shit pushed in that caused the injury to occur with linemen landing on his right leg while he was hobbling around with a left ankle sprain. If Mahomes had better security and options like the 2018 season he wouldn't have been injured during 2019.

Concerning the run attack, if defenses respected the run that would give Mahomes the ability to exploit it instead of the opposition dropping into zone most of game because the opposition wasn't terrified by the oft injured Damien,decrepit fumbling machine McCoy, and Thompson who's too daft and small to execute and understand the offense



There's a reason why KC interviewed Dobbins multiple times this offseason. My dark horse pick is OT Josh Jones in the draft

Josh Jones?

I dunno man, that's a tough nut. Justin Jefferson? He may not be as high a ceiling guy as some, but with Hill here, Jefferson could just be a fantastic option alongside him. I see a lot of what I like in Aiyuk but with just a little more speed.

This question illustrates why a trade back would be in the Chiefs best interest because they could get guys like Jefferson and Akers in Round Two while adding other positions of need with the additional picks acquired in a trade.

It's a damn shame the Chiefs are heading into this particular draft with only 5 picks.

Yeah. But 5 picks and 1 Lombardi beats what 31 other teams have. :)

Justin Jefferson? That guy is going in the first round for sure. He won’t even be there at #32.

When I watch Helaire I see Sproles 2.0 but he does have that vision and decisiveness. The guy that reminds me most of Tomlinson, from size to running style, is Dobbins. You're right, the thing that made Tomlinson great was never that he was going to juke you but that he was just going to see the hole faster than you and hit that hole at top speed and you weren't going to stop him. I see that mentality with both guys but I have to say I see alot more in Dobbins than I do in Helaire.

I'm never a fan of RB in the 1st but if Dobbins slides even remotely close to trading up range in round 2, I'm all about it. I don't think Helaire is the top back but I'd consider it a strong race for 3 between him and Akers. I just can't put him about Dobbins and Swift. I'd definitely be on board with your boy at 63 though.

How about “top 15 player in any other draft” (according to RunKC) Ezra Cleveland?

Probably early for Van Jefferson. No way in hell Justin Jefferson is there at 32 much less the second.

I think Run is realistic on that statement. He's a good LT prospect. Reminds me of Fisher coming out. Athletic as **** but lacking strength. He'll get there and when he does I think he'll be really solid. If that's the direction Veach went, I wouldn't be disappointed with it.

You like them better than Johnson and Diggs, or you just don't think Johnson and/or Diggs will still be on the board when we pick?

I like Gladney and Fuller - especially Gladney - but I like both Johnson and Diggs a little better.

The great news is, if Veach wants to he's going to get a good CB. Maybe more than one. Guys like Amik Robertson might still be there in the 3rd. I like Javaris Davis too. Might even be able to get a guy like that in the 4th or 5th.

I think it’s a joke. I don’t care how much athleticism that guy has, I don’t see a top 15 player.

This is very contradictory of your take on Willie Gay, who at least flashed against the best of the best.

If Ezra Cleveland is a top 15 player in malt drafts, then Willie Gay should be a 1st.

I like them better than Johnson and Diggs, though Johnson isn’t far behind.

Diggs is a guy that I love/hate. He could be anywhere from 4-7 in my rankings. I just haven’t seen enough tape.

Maybe. I wouldn't rule out anyone at this point, other than guys that were injured and haven't had a physical.

Well, certainly.

But this class is loaded with players that could help the Chiefs immediately, so it would have been nice to head into this offseason with a full compliment of draft picks, if for no other reason than to use a 5th, 6th or 7th as ammo for trading up.

I still think there will be plenty of talent left at #32, and maybe even a QB, making a trade back and extra picks a real possibility.

People say these things every year, only to have the board fall very differently.

For me Diggs depends on his 40. As long as he's 4.50 or under I'd probably take him before Johnson, but it would be a coin flip.

I’ve said it before, but we’re getting 2-3 comp picks next year, so we can use some 2021 picks knowing we will get some back.

Yea that’s another issue with him. We didn’t see him run or anything.

Oh hell yes. Don't remember a draft with this much talent available from #32 through the end of the 4th. I would love to see us trade back about 10 spots and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.

The Chiefs may indeed receive two comp picks next year but man, that's a risky move to make in the draft, especially knowing how the NFL has treated the Chiefs in prior years regarding Comp Picks.

I don't care what anyone says, a 6th rounder for the Super Bowl MVP is still the most absurd Comp Pick I've seen since the NFL began awarding them in 1994.

Nope, i don't like it over Edward Helaire.

To say he can't make something out of nothing was an overstatement, i meant to say "in comparison to these other backs"

I get it, he's got his fans. He's not a bad player. He's been hyped for years. I just think Helaire and Taylor will be better NFL backs.

I have Swift #1, but I could probably agree that CEH might even be a better fit in terms of what Veach/Reid typically look for.

AJ Epenesa!!!

HB J.K. Dobbins
I just see him as an ideal fit for our offense. He’s a stout workhorse, who can take some pressure off of Mahomes and keep the chains moving. Our running game has struggled mightily and not only would he improve the run game, but he’s also good in the passing game. Another dynamic Weapon for this offense will have us running on all cylinders, which helps the defense, as well. This kid should be lights out for us and keep DC’s up at night. I think we have a legit shot to get him and I think a move like that puts us in the driver’s seat for the foreseeable future.

While I'd rather see if we could get him in the 2nd, that's why I like Dobbins and Taylor better than Swift, CEH, and Akers - though I like all 3 of those guys. But they're all 3 basically younger versions of Damien Williams, whereas Dobbins - like you said - and Taylor are more workhorse backs. Guys who can run out the clock when we have a lead in the 4th. And both Dobbins and Taylor are more than competent receivers from what I've seen. Lots of RB talent in this draft.

Good post. I agree. I’d rather see us cement the running game and quit with RBBC approach.

Fair enough. That was absolutely bullshit.

I'd disagree. Would be absolutely stunned if we go WR with our first or second rounder. We likely start the year Vegas odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl. I dont think you burn a first or second rounder with the future in mind when you already have the best receiving corps in the league. Now if you want to draft a developmental receiver late in the draft so be it. Plenty of draft picks out there that can impact this years roster as well as the future. There is a time and a place to draft and build for the distant in lieu of immediate future but this year isnt it. Draft for both.

Future? The Chiefs are an injury away from starting Robinson, who's been anything but reliable over the years.

I would absolutely ****ing hate it if the Chiefs don't come away with at least one talented receiver in this draft. It would be a waste of resources, especially considering Robinson and Watkins are free agents in 2021 and very unlikely to return.

According to an article on Chiefs.com dated in the summer of 2015, the Chiefs have been 25th in Comp Picks since the process began in 1994.

I haven't taken the time to add up the number of Comp Picks the Chiefs have received since then but if memory serves, it's less than 4.

Are you serious right now? Sammy fricken Watkins is our third receiving threat. We spent a second rounder last year to groom on Hardman who runs a 4.3. We arguably have two #1 WRs and the best receiving tight end in the league by far. If you're concerned about where were at with an injury to wide receiver how do you feel about RB, LB, corner or offensive line?

Yep Watkins and Robinson are free agents in 2021. We still have Hill and Hardman under contract however. Go take a look at our situation at running back and corner in 2021. Cupboard is 100% bare. If I was a betting man we will go RB, Corner or Corner, RB with our first two picks.

Yes, I'm serious and no, he is not their 3rd WR.

:facepalm:

Watkins had 673 yards and 3 TD's in the regular season last year, with all three TD's and 198 of those yards coming in Game 1 against Jacksonville. He's always injured and hasn't played a full 16 game season since his rookie year in 2014.

The Chiefs most definitely need to add a WR in the draft.

Running back is the #1 offensive priority. The Chiefs current running back room is thin and no one in their right mind should count on 28 year old Damien Williams, who has 1,200 yards rushing and 12 TD's in SIX NFL Seasons.

It's a disaster waiting to happen, which is why I expect the Chiefs to draft a feature back early next week.

Corner is fine - three starters return from last year, Andy never seems to have a problem finding and grooming capable offensive lineman and while the LB corp could use a Sideline-To-Sideline player, the returning guys were good enough to win a Super Bowl last year.

Yes, Watkins is indeed our third receiving THREAT behind Hill and Kelce. He's a former #4 overall pick and comes up enormous in the biggest games. 100% of the teams in the league would take him as their third threat next year and be thrilled. Listen, I'm all for keeping the offensive weapons stocked and loaded and keeping this train rolling but to say WR is a need NEXT year I cant get on board with. It is a joke around the league how stacked we are at the position. I'd prefer we address RB this year and WR the following.

It's not a joke. Your takes are absolutely horrific and way off base.

Without true receiving threats on the field, it's easier to take away Hill and Kelce. The Chiefs have been far more successful when they have their full compliment of wide receivers and running backs, but that was very rare during the 2019 regular season.

They can't afford to pass up quality offensive weapons in this draft, especially when teams like the Ravens are improving as well.

Without true receiving threats??? Laughing my ass off. Buddy, we have the best receiving group in the league headed into next year and there isnt even a close second.

And I'm going to say I wouldn't touch Taylor because of how big his workload has been and the general history of how Wisconsin RB's fair in the NFL after having that type of workload.

Swift.

Funny, YouTube had this at the top of it’s suggestions for me this morning. He looks like an absolute beast.

Unblockable: AJ Espensa

https://youtu.be/3eLa7bxDRvs