<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can only hope one day, people will care as much about American Indian &amp; reservation poverty, corruption, polluted/poisoned waters, broken land treaties, lack of healthcare, homelessness, hunger...as they do a sports team name. Have a safe weekend, all. <a href="https://t.co/q7tfFdp6xN">https://t.co/q7tfFdp6xN</a></p>&mdash; Connie Jo (@cjkc_life09) <a href="https://twitter.com/cjkc_life09/status/1279290376906592257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

not happening on social media

the white liberals will get all excited about buying "kansas city monarchs" gear

bonus virtue signaling

We will never allow white hipsters such as Zach who has a higher diastolic number than IQ to rip away this proud franchise's history away from our arms.

KC wolves would be sweet since every IROC has a wolf and dreamcatcher in in the Camarohead parking lot

It's french

Commander and _____
KC Commaners!
Edit: or KC Command

If you want to know what we become....look at the WNBA names.

Those are the most un-fearful, whimpy names ever.

Verderame's comments are ridiculous and irrational nonsense. How can you even make that analogy? What is there to review about the name and logo of a team like the Chiefs? The name is a proud representation of native american history. The logo is an arrow head with the KC inscription. Any objective person who says the team name while looking at the logo would see nothing wrong or insensitive. This type of woke garbage rhetoric is something to expect from Florio, not a guy who covers the team. But then again, he's made some douche comments about Tyreek in the past.

No, we don't have to talk about a name change.

Verderame and Brisco are both fat white liberals who will bend the knee to any leftist agenda.

It's good for their careers to be "woke."

They disgust me. Both need to learn to code.

You know... Any change to the Chiefs name will change the name of our beloved ChiefsPlanet...

Personally I think it’s stupid to have to change Chiefs, as it is neither derogatory nor specific to Native Americans.

But I also don’t care. It’s a ****ing sports team name. It’s been around for sixty years. Who gives a shit.

While I agree with you on principle, if a team named the Indians is going to change it’s name, no team name associated with that culture is safe.

These people aren't stopping with names.

You know it, I know it.

Give them an inch and they'll try to take everything.

Next thing you'll know, the feminists will try to get rid of cheerleaders...then it won't be long before someone is calling them out for having no trans-players in the NFL...just watch...if this goes beyond the Redskins they're going to destroy the NFL as we know it.

Please see the first post in this thread

Can't wait to witness Patrick Matthews-Mahomes III matriculate Flag Roundobject for the Midwest Town #34 Persons

Stock up now on Chiefs/Arrowhead gear as a future investment

I've been away from this site for 18 months and this was the first thread I clicked on upon return.


I have nothing else to add.

A few years ago, there was some bullshit talk about making this forum all about ****ing baseball because the royals won....it was bullshit then and this is the same thing. I guess if the NFL comes that, I say **** it...been here 20 years and finally got a SB, DGAF about any woke shit.

Sports are almost unwatchable with all the bullshit, at this point.

I'll be pissed if we change our name.
Chief is not an offensive title.
Arrowhead is not an offensive title.
Our Arrowhead logo also not offensive.

But I must say I find the over use of "Chiefs Kingdom" offensive & cringe whenever I hear it & its used a lot.
So would that also have to change then?
:hmmm:

No Trans Players? What about Derek Carr?

That’s a lovely nazi insignia you have as your avatar there.

Don’t bite on every piece of propaganda you read.

some things remain true no matter the era, the tribulations of today or what year it is. **** the Broncos!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My girl drove past the Broncos stadium �� <a href="https://t.co/YjBBYOopbN">pic.twitter.com/YjBBYOopbN</a></p>&mdash; The Kingdom (@MahomeSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MahomeSZN/status/1279568951249379328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They're not gonna change the name of chiefs or arrowhead

You have really gone over the bend in the last year or two.

See, it's the people he's referring to who have gone around the bend. But you don't process criticism well, so. . . .

Have I?

Patrick Mahomes is openly supporting Marxists for woke points so the mob doesn't destroy him.

Don't tell me I've gone around the bend...I see what is really happening, you don't.

KC I'm your boogie man, sunshine

Yes, it's is everyone else that is insane, not me! I see the truth!

Couldn't possibly be that Mahomes actually believes in what he says. Nope, you've got it all figured out. You know what's going on inside his head better than he does.

Well...obviously all future cheerleaders must be transgendered women.

I never had a chance to nominate something but I really wish I had nominated Fountains. Please sneak it in there.

If people think "Indians" is offensive then prepare for all your shit to go too.

Fountains might offend someone.

Rocks won’t.

Here is a pretty good argument for those that want the Chiefs name changed. This is from a website supporting that:

[I][Chief - This is a word that is commonly given as a nickname which incorrectly labels Native American men. The term 'chief' itself is incorrect. American Indian leaders were never 'chiefs', but headmen, or clan mothers, and so on. Not 'chiefs'. Native leaders were highly disrespected by the USA. So calling someone 'Chief', is just a way to continue that disrespect. Trust us when we tell you, being called 'chief' carries with it the same insulting, belittling sting for a Native man as being called 'boy' does for African American men/I]

I hope nothing changes, but I bet the stadium playing the chop music goes away. Afraid warpaint may be gone soon too. I hope the team name and logo don’t change. I’m hoping the worst case is the name stays and like someone said earlier, they go with a fire chief theme instead of Indian chief as the name itself doesn’t apply to just native Americans like Redskins, Indians, etc.

You are naive.

The Hunts don't give a shit. Never have.

They are old money from Texas and they will stick to their guns.

Yea they don't give a shit until sponsors lose their shit or the NFL steps in. All it takes is a few people to bring this up...

A pitcher on the Cards threw a fit and the Braves promptly removed all their tomahawks.

That's not happening. The Chiefs run this town. That's why all the KC Star stuff bounces off them like a ping pong ball.

If the Chiefs were prone to caving to public pressure on bullshit, Tyreek wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be Super Bowl Champs.

So all of you can just stuff it.

Yea...the Chiefs however don't run the NFL or the country as a whole. As soon as sponsors don't want to be associated with you though you're ****ed. So let's hope that doesn't happen because at that point there is no going back.

Wait, what? This is an argument for changing the name? By this logic the name should stay. It plainly states that "American Indian leaders were "never 'Chiefs'" so the term should be free to use.

I know some want it changed but come on. I make jokes about people being offended by everything but damn.

Of course their argument is how it's a derogatory American term for Indian leaders...it's a funny word to use in every day conversation, if you call anyone Chief they get super annoyed though.

Sponsors won't care. Chiefs run this town.

Why do you cave to everything the left wants? Are you that weak, that spineless? I assure you the Hunts aren't.

I'm telling you reality, the Redskins have resisted this and now they're screwed, the minute 1 team changes its name you should probably get ready for pressure for all of them to change.

You know that's not true. They didn't cave because they had the tape of that crazy bitch confessing it was BS the whole time. They knew he wasn't guilty. They had the tape. They wernt brave. They had the undeniable facts.

The Chiefs are no different than any other corporation if they think the name will cost them money they'll change it.

Change is only suppose to scare and upset the old. Young just roll with it

Screw the Seahawks and Buccaneers!

I was just pointing out a major flaw in the argument that was posted. It make no sense. Based upon that the name should stay the same since it has nothing do with indians.

Mecca, I think it's obvious I don't post much and you're actually one of my favorite posters.

This shouldn't be a political term, a derogatory term, or any other ill conceived statement.

I'm home today if you're up to a good discussion.

I personally don't think changing the name does anything, I don't find it derogatory but I'm not Indian either. The issue we have here is it bothers some Natives and others it doesn't..yet all it takes is for 1 person to be mad and here we are.

I don’t know where you got that, but it’s nonsense.

The name could honor Lamar Hunt, if it had to change. So we will be called ****s, we will just ****'em silly!

Thanks for posting that. There is no good argument for keeping the name. Over the years the organization has associated it with imagery that locks native people in time as brutal savages, an image they have long struggled to overcome. That's not honorific. For some reason we've always thought it ok to caricature native people.

It's not political correctness to want to see the name changed. It's a matter of treating fellow citizens with respect. In this case, citizens who were pushed off their land and subjected to genocide. I hope the team changes the name and goes one step further by donating to organizations that work on behalf of native people.

All of the things like warpaint, the chop, the drum etc don't help either.

If the Chiefs were to deem the name Chiefs insensitive and change it, would wearing old Chiefs gear out in public get you cancelled?

Asking for my black friend

They can call themselves the Kansas city cock bags for all I care if they change their name. I'm done buying merchandise and definitely won't be attending another game.

you don't help either

Is this how they try to overcome the image?

https://youtu.be/JlxcIsxb6z4

You know that the more you do to basically bring all those things to be a part of the team does nothing but make that push stronger...I'd personally tell them if they want to keep that name the best thing they could do is distance themselves from the Native stuff.

Isn't the notion of the primacy of one offended person the rationale behind the Karen?

Are we actually getting this wrong, and we should be celebrating these brave women standing up for their consumer rights and autonomy when expressing their displeasure in the retail environment.

most of the people bringing this up have no idea what actually happens in the stadium

they're clueless

It would suck big time but could you just drop the name Chiefs and not replace it? Just be the Kansas City football team and leave the uniform alone. That way you don’t have to rebrand. Oh and **** all this PC crap.

I kind of like that, actually. Just differentiate on location. (We'll worry about deleting locations based on native american terms later.)

I found this wikipedia article fascinating:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermine_moth

The more I think about it, why do we even have team mascots? All they do is take the glory of someone who has good or honorable traits, and steal them.

When I drive by some small town high school and I see "Home of the Spartans" on their building, do I really equate those gawky 16 year olds with the soldiers of an ancient high-ferocity military state? When I see a college that says, "Home of the Tigers", do I really think that their football team is the equivalent of a 700-pound killing machine?

No. It's stolen glory, all of it.

Now, that does argue that teams don't get named for derogatory reasons, so it's pretty much a logic proof on why team names are meant to honor those that they steal glory from. But that's an aside. If you want honor and glory, you have to go earn it yourself.

Mecca, the SJW outstanding citizen, implied I was fake outraged over Kaepernick wearing a Fidel Castro shirt even though I’m Cuban and he tried to have my grandfather (an activist) killed.

Yet he literally defends ALL leftist outrage. Every time I point this contradiction out he disappears.

And he claims to be politically neutral.

What a butt****ing moron and a clown.

I said myself I think it's stupid, it doesn't change though how things happen.

Although I enjoy you following me around talking about my posts it's awesome, I won't have to pay rent this month since I'm comfortably moved into your head.

Nobody is following you around. I just continue to point out your hypocrisy when you try and justify real fake outrage, and this is the FIRST time you‘ve ever acknowledged it. Usually you don’t post again when I point out your bullshit.

Congrats on finally growing a pair you fat pussy. Now I’ll leave you alone about it.

This would be a good compromise. I don't agree but it would be a start to calm everyone down.

Arrowhead: An arrowhead is the point of an arrow. In archaeology, arrowheads and similar artifacts are known as projectile points.

Warpaint: paint put on the face, the arms, etc., by Native Americans before going into battle

Tomahawk: The word "tomahawk" is derived from the Algonquian words Tomahak or Tamahakan meaning "used for cutting". The tomahawk was the Native American emblem of warfare - symbolized two sides of a coin: war and peace. ... To bury a tomahawk meant peace - to dig it up, meant to declare the most deadly warfare.

Chiefs: a leader or ruler of a people or clan.
"the chief of the village"
Similar:
leader
chieftain
head
headman
ruler
overlord
master
commander
suzerain
seigneur
liege
liege lord
potentate
sachem
leading
principal
premier
highest
foremost
supreme
grand
superior
arch-
directing
governing
number-one
Opposite:
subordinate
2.
HERALDRY
an ordinary consisting of a broad horizontal band across the top of the shield.
adjective
most important.
"the chief reason for the spending cuts"
Similar:
main
principal
most important
uppermost
primary
prime

Chief:
Middle English: from Old French chief, chef, based on Latin caput ‘head’. (Leader)

I know that many others have made it a point to point out the meaning of the word "chief". That's not my intention.





I'm all for you convincing me why calling someone a chief is bad but calling a leader a "chief" is still confusing.

Chief, not a Chief.....if someone called me chief I would take it as a compliment.


Also, this is coming from the name of a professional football team.....think aloud as you read that.....a sports team. We're grown ass adults talking about the name of a team.

I would think the logo would be safe because Native Americans weren’t the only culture to make weapons out of stone. But with how insane this world is going who the hell knows.

I reject the premise that compromise is productive in calming the faux incensed.

Anybody that thinks otherwise isn’t paying attention.

The mob doesn’t care about your compromises or apologies. They want it all either way.

I really do not care about statues or other idols if you will. But if they come after the color because it is red? ROT IN THE GROUND!

The bow and arrow dates to antiquity across a variety of cultures. They could easily keep the arrowhead, acknowledge they've moved past any native association with their symbols, and call themselves the arrows or archers whatever, at that point it's just a stupid nickname.

I like Archers as a name. I've seen a few late additions that I might add to the tourney, and if I do it, that would be one of them.

I proposed Hunters in part because I think you could keep the arrowhead, go with a Stone Age theme, and slyly honor Lamar Hunt.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...KHzGg&usqp=CAU

Only way I could stand this is if we keep the uniform the same..

How about the KC ARROWS !!!

Had to post it-I found it funny.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They name teams out of STRENGTH, not weakness, but now the Washington Redskins &amp; Cleveland Indians, two fabled sports franchises, look like they are going to be changing their names in order to be politically correct. Indians, like Elizabeth Warren, must be very angry right now!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1280203174008303616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kansas City Smoke Eaters

Works both as a BBQ nod and allows us to rebrand with a firefighter theme, which naturally continues to work with the red and yellow color scheme. Instead of crossed axes, cross one axe and one spatula/tong together.

And still leaves the door open to throw the word Chief in there w/r/t fire chief.