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Here’s every snap of Lucas Niang and Chase Young in 2018...

https://youtu.be/A0Q_G7Lq868

Also, he’s 6’6”
34.5” arms

I wonder where he would fall in this draft...he didn’t give up a sack in his last 2 years.

IMO, if it isn't an OT then KC will draft LB Jamin Davis at #31. Davis is an athletic freak and has the Matt House connection

This is a better OL class so probably 4th round.

I’m talking about him essentially being a rookie that’s completely healthy and having elite tools both physical and mental for the position. Not if he was coming off a hip surgery and going into the draft still rehabbing.

Seems to me that he is similar to Walker Little. Who I hope we end up getting.

In terms of traits he looks the most similar to Sam Cosmi. So late first round or early second.

The only players I think it is worth us take in the first round at tackle are Darrisaw, Sewell, Jenkins and Cosmi.

For anyone else I hope we trade back to 40ish and take Little/Eichenberg/Leatherwood. Or trade up to 40 and take them and take a Phillips/Oweh/Farley if they drop there.

Before the injury Walker Little was praised as a surefire top 10 prospect

I think without the injury, Niang might have been a 1st rounder last year, in a class that was arguably much better at the top than this one.

I'd definitely put him in the 1st round this year - the more I analyze this class, the more I'm convinced it's super deep but there isn't really blue chip quality at the top. Lots of question marks.

It's a deeper class than last year. At this point, I'm not at all convinced it's better.

It would be nice if Veach could trade down from 31 and grab Forsythe in the second. Unlikely, though. Veach has never traded down in a draft.

Spencer Brown has been working with Joe Staley... not a bad dude to work with...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My dude Spencer Brown had a day today at UNI Pro Day!! Ran a 4.88 40 at 6’8 310 Crazy agility numbers (4.34 SS and 6.96 3 cone)and put up 29 reps of 225 with almost 35 inch arms. He has gotten better every day of working together and can’t wait to see what he does in the league.</p>&mdash; Joe Staley (@jstaley74) <a href="https://twitter.com/jstaley74/status/1374175021015298048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Interesting article on him from Last Word on Sports (late 1st - early 2nd grade from them)

https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/202...spencer-brown/

I love how they leave us off as a team with a need that he fits.

I'm convinced that Sewell and Darrisaw are blue-chip LTs.

Slater is kind of unknown on if he'll anchor well enough at LT but he probably gets a shot, but he's definitely a blue-chip guard prospect. The same goes for Vera-Tucker with being a blue-chipper at guard.

Dickerson is definitely a blue-chip guy at center.

Those are the only 5 I can say I'm confident in, and obviously only 2 as LTs.

Per Google Search


According to Arrowhead Pride's Kent Swanson, the average arm length of a tackle for head coach Andy Reid is 34 1/4 inches. When comparing that to the top 20 tackles in this year's draft, only six meet or exceed that measurement. Arm length won't make or break a prospect, though, Mora said


Player Arm Length (inches)
Trent Williams 34.25
David Bakhtiari 34
Garett Bolles 34
DJ Humphries 33.63
Duane Brown 34.25
Andrew Whitworth 35
Terron Armstead 34.08
Tristan Wirfs 34
Michael Onwenu 34.34
Jack Conklin 35
Isaiah Wynn 33.38
Taylor Decker 33.75
Taylor Moton 34.13
Rob Havenstein 33.75
Dion Dawkins 35
Eric Fisher 34.5
Braden Smith 32.25

Average = 34.08 Median = 34.08

Somebody listened to the Simms podcast....

I went back and watched all the 1 on 1 reps from the Sr. Bowl.

-Alex Leatherwood: pass. Guy can’t handle speed and doesn’t finish.
-Spencer Brown: Scrappy, but some rushers can get under his pads because he is so tall, and he loses leverage easily. Torques defenders too readily and gets off balance.
-D’Ante Smith: Can get a bit overwhelmed with speed to power, but he mirrors well and fights to the whistle.
-Dillon Radunz: Easily the best performer - patient in his sets, his footwork is great, he absorbs bull rushes adequately and has heavy hands with his punch. Handled power and speed effectively.

Other quick observations:
- Royce Newman and David Moore were standouts on the interior. Moore absolutely stonewalled guys and made Basham Jr. look silly - by all accounts, Basham Jr. dominated the majority of his reps, but Moore just buried him. Newman handled both speed and power well. Meinerz was also great, but he often gives up initial depth only to re-anchor and eventually win. He needs to work on getting into his sets quicker and cleaner.

Radunz is my guy - if the Chiefs take him at 31 or later I feel he would be a great fit. His run game prowess was always known, but he has textbook patience and mirroring abilities in pass pro. Measurables be damned - some have concerns with his arm length and weight - this kid will have a long pro career.

Yep.

Darrisaw is right there on the line. He just needs a little development. Obviously, Sewell is the best prospect.

Like you said, Slater seems to be a lock to play LT but will likely be his best further inside.

Dickerson would definitely be a top center prospect in other years, sans the injury history. It's really unfortunate because it's such a huge red flag for a guy that would likely be one of the best center prospects in recent history.

So yeah, there's like 2 really great LT prospects in this draft.

Radunz is definitely one of the more interesting prospects given what the Chiefs want/need.

I will give staylor credit on the Florida tackle. He looks like a solid pass protector. But his big issue (he’s admitted) is his run blocking.

But we don’t require that consistently so we’re good.

Would still not like him to start this year unless absolutely necessary. I think he needs to bulk up.

Thoughts on Jalen Mayfield if he’s there @ 31?

Most people think Mayfield lacks the athleticism to play LT in the NFL. You will see him talked about as a RT or even a guard.

I like Radunz, Brown, or Little at #63.

I can live with Radunz at 31. I think he’s a great fit for KC. If not him, Little or Brown at 63 sound great.

I just don’t see it with Radunz man, especially at 31. I think he’s a G at the end of the day.

Give me Little, Forsythe, or Brown somewhere in round 2 instead.

Why? Arm length?

He has all of the other attributes I’d really want, and he’s also very smart. His senior bowl performance was strong.

2 of these 3 have hardly played while the other cannot run block

I just see a small school guy that wasn’t even dominant at that level and it concerns me.

Hence why they aren’t 1st rounders.

All 3 have legitimate above average starting LT upside though.

This is the 2nd time I’ve seen you mention Forsythe’s run blocking. Nobody is drafting Forsythe for his run blocking. It’s obviously an area where he needs to improve, but this is a passing team in a passing league.

That's all it really is though is upside. They're literal boom-or-bust prospects in many ways.

Yes but I see many of his negatives to be coachable and fixable. He looks thin for his size, which makes sense considering he’s 6’8 307 lbs. I’d like to see him put on 15-20 lbs after his rookie season which should help him with run blocking.

He’s got excellent length, height and athleticism.

Dude is athletic as hell though. Andy probably saw this clip and wanted more info on him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bold Prediction: With the 31st pick in the 2021 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select <a href="https://twitter.com/stone_forsythe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@stone_forsythe</a> OT, Florida. The 6-9 315 lbs Forsythe allows Mahomes to feel he’s protected from the blind side while he continues his growth in the NFL. <a href="https://t.co/KB0gNBhtph">pic.twitter.com/KB0gNBhtph</a></p>&mdash; Phillip V. McGruder (@McGruderPmac) <a href="https://twitter.com/McGruderPmac/status/1379192260214984707?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

For sure.

What I'm saying is that you might as well take a flyer on a guy like that, because of his upside, because there aren't any "sure things" in this draft, that are within reach of the Chiefs anyway. Slater is probably a sure thing but on the interior. Darrisaw is close to a sure thing. Sewell is really the only SURE thing.

After that, it's a lot of question marks. Might as well swing for the fences in that case.

Darrisaw has issues with his work ethic and playing 100% during games. That and he didn’t come from an offense that had many deep drops like the Chiefs do. Not to say he couldn’t but that’s an issue if you’re trading up to get him.

Yeah there isn’t a huge disparity between Jenkins and Forsythe as overall players. Both are better at thins the other isn’t, but as of now there appears to be 2 “sure things” at OT with Sewell and Slater with Darrisaw having questions of his own.

I wonder if the Chiefs will trade down from 31, pick Forsythe and gather more picks?

I’m not sure that he’s gonna be there at 63. Seems like his ceiling is in the middle 2nd rd. If they really feel he’s worth it then trade down and get more picks.

I know, which is why you’re getting them in round 2 as opposed to round 1 like I said...

I don’t really see your point. You don’t want to trade up for a T. You don’t want to take one at 31. Now you don’t want to take a shot at one of these guys in the 2nd? What exactly do you prefer?

Right. That’s exactly my point. There’s no reason to trade up. There’s no reason to even lock in on LT at 31. The separation between everybody after the top 2-3 just isn’t enough to worry about it. Find the guy with the highest upside and get him.

How did you get that out of what I posted?

I don’t want to trade up. That is true.

I don’t care if they take a guy at 31. I just don’t think it’s necessary. There’s not enough qualitative difference between these guys to justify locking in on a first round OT.

I am absolutely on board with taking a guy like Forsythe in the 2nd or even later. In fact, that’s my whole point.

Like I said, I didn’t understand your point in the first place. I had already pointed out and agreed that there’s a reason they aren’t 1st rounders.

I was agreeing with you. They’re worth the risk because they’re not significantly riskier than most of the first round guys and arguably a guy like Forsythe has a higher upside at a lower cost.

Gotcha, my apologies.

No problem. I don’t always make the most sense.

I did. I don't think Simms has enough lineman graded in the 1st though and I absolutely think Slater gets his shot at LT first whereas Simms doesn't.

Slater, if he can add some weight, had the potential to be Jason Peters.

I think Sam Cosmi is an absolute lock in the 1st and I think he goes before 25.

I think Spencer Brown is definitely a fringe 1 guy, whether a team looks at him as a LT or a RT.

Cosmi and Brown have insane athletic profiles and good tape as pass blockers. Teams will gamble on those traits more often than not and there are a lot of teams that need tackles.

This regardless of whether or not I think they are a top 32 player. Positional need and traits trump many of things.

Then why would you be ok with taking a LT round 1? Reaching at 31 is not smart when one of these LTs will be available in the 2nd, maybe the third. I can’t understand the panic to take a project LT in round one that won’t be better than an experienced free agent in year 1.

Lance Zierlein Ratings

Only the 1st 4 are rated 1st rounders.

Penei Sewell
Rashawn Slater
Christian Darrisaw
Teven Jenkins
Alex Leatherwood
Stone Forsythe
Liam Eichenberg
Sam Cosmi
Dillon Radunz
Spencer Brown
Walker Little
Jaylon Moore
Brady Christensen
Josh Ball
Jalen Mayfield
James Hudson
Brenden Jaimes
D'ante Smith
Will Sherman
Tommy Doyle

Protecting Patrick is priority 1 and replacing Sammy is 2 in my opinion. I still say Jenkins by some sort of Veach magic trick and I don't know enough about the receivers to make a call.

I was kind of buying into the Walker Little hype, be he gets abused pretty bad in this game vs Notre Dame. Every offensive snap is in this one with Little being highlighted. Not the best, IMO.

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None of the tackles available at 31 can protect mahomes day 1. You still need a stop gap.

Just spitballing but I'm guessing this is the direction where Veach goes.

I’m literally 5 minutes in and I’ve yet to see him get “abused”.

Keep watching

Oh wow... that’s bad. Really bad. How many sacks did he give up? Like 3 or 4? And he’s not physical in the run game either.

Spencer brown looks interesting here...

https://youtu.be/Uyqd_7ZdTgs

Some leatherwood video here... roche is quick!

https://youtu.be/ILXf90lOKqA

I'll take an awesome WR over a tackle that needs development every day of the week

Like I said I'm just spit balling but Patrick isn't going to be able to toss the rock when constantly running for his life.

I'll buy ya a beer next time I'm in LA if it isn't Jenkins. :thumb:

Protection and receivers getting separation are both big parts of winning in this passing game.

The OL was poor at pass protection in the last 2 Super Bowls, but if we had more than just Kelce snd Hill that can get open, that helps the OL a lot.

Not to mention the guy was just a true sophomore in 2018.

Oh, I get that. But wow, that was a rough 3rd and 4th quarter. I'm sure there is a lot of good film out there too. This wasn't it.

We can’t solve LT next year in the draft. Get a developmental guy? Absolutely. Any rookie LT we draft that starts will result in mahomes running for his life. LT needs to solved in the short term via free agency.

Here’s my first 3 picks.

Jaelen Phillips DE
Rondale Moore WR
Spencer Brown OT

Just ... not true. The “running for life” bit.

There are going to be a lot of talented guys available to the Chiefs in the first and second round who could step in and play well immediately.

No, they aren’t going to land a Trent Brown at 31. But good lord. Don’t overrate Eric Fisher (who was good, not great).

They need to get SOLID play at LT. They have an excellent LG to stick next to that LT, who has made a lot of LT look better next to him than they actually were.

There are a lot of paths forward. It could be taking a T in the draft and riding with that guy. It could be a veteran addition. It could be a trade.

But they’re not locked into a single solution.

I wonder if there's a hidden gem that the Chiefs are high on that no-one is talking about?? Last year I didn't even know who Niang and Sneed were and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we end up taking some small school guy that has incredible traits but was a ghost before draft night.

Anyway my rop three right now are

Stone
Walker
Leatherwood

All of them have played LT, Plus have the size and arm length that Andy likes imo.

Let’s just agree to disagree. I’d rather not draft any of these later rookies to start and protect mahomes at LT. So, Here’s another point... the drop off from many of these LTs that we are talking about is not enough to invest a 1st round pick. From, little to leatherwood, stone, cosmi, brown, eichenberg... I could keep going... there are like 10 of these guys that are kinda lumped together. The drop off at other positions is more distinct. Get another position in the first and target LT in the 2nd or third.

You can afford to take a project at 31. That's not a super premium pick. I didn't say I WOULD however, I said I wouldn't have a problem with it.

There's not much they can do that would have me up in arms, outside of trading away next year's first to move up.

Jenkins Gosh Darnit!!!! :mad:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/F695R...&rid=giphy.gif

Okay, so answer me this. This game was in late September of 2018. In the Chris Simms Offensive Tackle rankings this season, he stated Little was a franchise LT. But this tape doesn't really show that. Is this tape anything to be alarmed by? Or just an anomaly?

BTW, you have to rewind about 10 minutes to get in all all of the Chris Simms conversation involving the OT's. Good stuff in those first 10 minutes.

ROFL

And I love Spencer brown like you love Jenkins. He’s a perfect fit with a stop gap LT. Here’s a review. His athletic ability and size are unreal. He’s a giant. I’m hopeful his injury, lack of experience, playing at northern Iowa and depth at RT cause him to slide. He’s not ready to start day 1 but I don’t see a prospect with a higher ceiling, huge upside. Pro day numbers are also below.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/spence...3-14b54a182555

By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
NFL Comparison
Jared Veldheer
Overview
Towering tackle prospect with the hands, feet and length in place to become a quality pass protector on the next level. Despite playing right tackle his entire career at Northern Iowa, Brown has the athleticism to give it a go on the left side if a team desires. He's packed on weight and muscle over the years but his performance at the Senior Bowl practices showed that there is still work to do in terms of improving his core strength to offset his high center of gravity. He can play in a variety of run schemes but he will be at his best on the move, where his foot quickness will give him an advantage in finding the angles. Slippery athletes with good length will be trouble for him early and maybe beyond, but he's an above-average hand-fighter with a variety of pass sets he can utilize, which should help him as an eventual starter with early swing tackle value.
Strengths
Excellent lean mass despite adding nearly 100 pounds since high school.
Proportionally built with room for additional mass.
Loyal, team-first mentality.
Natural bender with impressive athletic ability.
Foot agility and explosiveness to make all the move blocks.
Works at coming off with good pad level despite his height.
Accelerates into block and immediately runs feet with vigor.
All-day block finisher who's hungry for pancakes.
Pass-pro hips and feet of an early-round pick.
Good recognition of late add-ons looking to blitz.
Basketball feet to mirror in all directions.
Above-average feel for feints and hand fighting.
Quality resets take him from losing position to winning position.
Flashes talent to throw a variety of protection looks at pass rushers.
Weaknesses
Opponents often get under his pads due to high center of gravity.
Better blocking on angles than heads-up.
Missed blocks usually due to footwork issues.
Narrow drive base can get him tossed by power.
Second-level climbs can lack control at times.
Oversets really hurt him against James Madison.
Width of pass slides can get uneven.
Needs to eliminate forward lean into punch to avoid push-pull moves.
Doesn't stay square for as long as he needs to in pass sets.
Sources Tell Us

"He could have transferred to a Power Five school once he knew they weren't going to play football this year but he wanted to stay out of loyalty. I love that! I love his intensity, his quickness. Love the potential." -- National scout for AFC team

Brown measured in at 6’8 1/2″ and 311 pounds. His arms reached 34 ¾ inches and he completed 33 reps on the bench, although scouts took four away for poor technique, officially crediting him with 29 reps.

His 40 times clocked between 4.88 to 4.90 seconds, with his three-cone coming in sharp at 6.96 seconds. His short shuttle was 4.34 seconds. Brown’s other marks include 31.5 inches in the vertical jump and 9’9″ in the broad jump.

I'd be happy with Radunz & Meinerz out of the first 3 rounds.

I highly doubt they draft 2 offensive linemen that high.

Listening to Christian Darrisaw on NFL network in an interview. I got a bad vibe from this guy. He does not come off as overly smart, Inadvertently trashed his high school coaching, and some of the footage from his pro day doesn’t exactly flatter. He looked to give up in some of the drills and looked rather fatigued after some of them. I know he is coming off injury, but not the impression a supposed top 15 pick is supposed to give. I am not touching this guy if I’m KC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most NFL personnel execs really like this OL class but the rankings are all over the map. The 3rd OT for one team might be the 6th or 7th for another.</p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1381641063752855556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

These guys are like listening to paint dry, but it's a good vid. I can see the Chiefs taking a hard look at this kid.

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Looks like he is falling down the board.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Top 🔟 OL in the 2021 NFL Draft <a href="https://t.co/LmNtXC5fGN">pic.twitter.com/LmNtXC5fGN</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1383843025726578688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I feel like Walker should be below Cosmi and Jenkins.

Ive seen Jaylen Mayfield mocked to us and hes not even on that list?

Jalen Mayfield is a guard.

Right but that list is OL. Dickerson, Vera-Tucker, NO Mayfield.

I dont want Mayfield but I have seen him mocked to us, why if hes not even top 10.

Because people who do mocks but don’t know the team see the need for OT and they just blindly mock a player. Mayfield has been falling as of late.

It is frustrating to me, if someone takes the time to do a mock and then gets lazy about it, its worthless.

I dont watch a lot of college ball so I have to learn about the draft prospects after the season is over. Relying on the "experts" is tough when they dont really know shit.

Im thinking Jenkins/Cosmi if they pick one at 31.

If they wait till rounds 2/3 Brown/Forsythe or Little. Really think they will wait till 2/3 and pick edge or WR at 31. Longshot maybe CB if a great one is there.