Patriots really never had that 'one dude' on the defense.

That dude plays quarterback for us.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to have a force multiplier. But again, you can't pay top of them market everywhere. At a point you have to sacrifice top end for depth.

The defense is the side of the ball to do that on, IMO. And the DL has shown to be a place where you can still get good production there.

Yea, Karlaftis is one of the very few guys I see realistically falling to us that I would take over Ojabo.

The Bills literally just did what DJ is talking about.

They had a really effective rotational DL last year. Didn't really get the job done in the playoffs, though... so they went out and attempted to add a force multiplier.

I think you kind of need both. You need to be able to put high floor guys on the field together and keep them fresh, and you still need the dude who can when the chips are down.

I'm cool with paying one dude to be a force multiplier on the DL and I'm cool with that being Jones for at least one more season. I'm not really down for making 2 long-term commitments again.

I love the work ethic that Karlaftis has. I know the stereotypical “try hard white guy” player but he’s genuine talented. His hand usage is good, he’s got multiple pass rush moves, he’s got athleticism and he’s a a quality run defender.

I’m wondering if they’ll back off their usual arm length requirement bc Karlaftis falls quite short (literally) of that at 32 5/8. They usually go for 34+

They're a tick earlier in the process than we are though - they can still AFFORD to do that.

I just think we're reaching the point where we have to pick one path or the other.

Sharp Football NFL Draft analyst Brendan Donahue projects four offensive tackles to be taken in the first seven overall selections.

Donahue is considered one of the most accurate draft prognosticators in the business, so the fact that he thinks there will be four tackles taken at the top of Round 1 is notable. While the top-three tackles (Ekwonu, Neal and Cross) have been slotted at the top of the draft for the entirety of the offseason, Trevor Penning has been the big riser of the group. The Northern Iowa giant has a huge frame and a nasty mean streak, with Penning pancaking opponents then shoving their faces in the grass. His current consensus pick is to San Diego at 17 overall, a steep improvement from his 30th pick projection pre-combine.

That would be nice.

My worry with shoehorning yourself into a pass rush heavy draft is we're drafting so late that we could be left with slim pickings.

You still don’t seem to understand that this is a very deep group.

They can go pass rush heavy without “shoehorning” anything, hence why many of us can see us going DT instead of EDGE in the 1st.

There’s also the option to trade up so they don’t have to reach for what’s left.

There are ways that they can go pass rush heavy without reaching.

Trading up would make sense. I dont' like sitting and waiting to see what falls, feels like you're just getting whats left.

Which is why I think Veach is trading up in the first for either Wyatt, Johnson or Karlaftis.

I think the reason you're seeing so many of us lean towards Edge (and hell, Veach for that matter) is that the draft board will naturally leave better edge talent than the remaining position groups because there's just so damn much of it.

I mean it's possible 1/3 of the draft goes DL before us - it's happened that way before. But if you're open to Travis Jones or Sam Williams at the back of the 1st, you STILL are likely to have guys you like sitting there. And both of those guys have 1st round talent.

O.City seems to think there’s some rule that you can’t get a good edge rusher without a top 15 pick.

Would love to get Devonte Wyatt in the first but that would involve trading up. So what do you do? How high would you have to move up to get him? Just curious on what it would take.

Odds aren’t necessarily in your favor of getting an ass kicker after that.

You can get good ones but it gets tougher.

No need to get triggered again

Not trade up and get Travis Jones instead.

Got it. Thanks.

KC can get to #23/24 if it moves it’s first 3rd, but that’s about it. Might be high enough to get Wyatt but no guarantees.

Only way we’re trading up is for an EDGE IMO.

Okay I really want this dude. **** man he’s good


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Jahan Dotson is strong for his size. His 4.43 is decent speed but the 7.28 3 cone is a huge detractor IMO

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Yep, huge turnoff for me. If the guy is small he better have elite speed and agility. 7.28 is pretty terrible for a guy his size. I'd expect at least 6.90.

The more I think about it….the more obvious replacements on this roster with our first round picks are Jones and Clark. 50 and 62 are right around the sweet spot for WRs and another DE.

1. Wyatt
1. Ojabo
2. Pierce
2. Thomas/Williams

IMO, one of the 2 first rounders will be traded to load up picks in the 2nd-3rd round.

Ultimately a lottery ticket Jimmy Johnson draft

Not a first round target but Sanders is back up to 247.

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Nice looks like my gamble paid off

Chiefs will draft an edge rusher late in the first round. WR’s will be off the board.

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Man, I like Dotson alot. He'd be my pick at 29/30 if they're taking a WR.

yeah, except that's not even close to being the end of the WR's that have #1 and/or #2 projectable talent.

I'm not particularly advocating for a first round WR, but there's nothing that says your star WR has to come from round one. It's not like a franchise QB.

That would be an ideal first two rounds in my opinion.

Arnold Ebiketie (EDGE-Penn State) Pro Day:

6'2, 247

Vert: 38"
Broad: 10'8
Bench: 19
4.65 40

Yessir

247 is pretty light for a DE in the Spags system. You're looking for around 260-265.

A 6'2", sub 250 DE is what you were looking for here?

That's a stand up OLB.

Once again - this guy is maybe a 2nd round player, IMO. I don't understand the fascination with him.

And nobody criticized you for it, did they?

We only call you dumb when you're being dumb.

Work on that, m'kay?

Ebiketie should go pick 52 to the Steelers.

That's a pure 3-4 player, IMO, and they could use that skill-set.

Yea, that likely takes Ebiketie out of the conversation with those measurements.

Barring a trade up, it’ll be Ojabo, Mafe, or Thomas IMO. Maybe Karlaftis falls.

Thomas has been getting ZERO love lately and he's the type of guy that Spags would love to have.

I’ve said it before, but he’s an enigma.

He gets absolutely no love from the more plugged in guys (Jeremiah/Zierlein), but there are many others who’s opinions I value that love him.

I really don’t know what to think about him in terms of value.

He may be the guy at #30. Everyone on this forum will be happy and the rest of Chiefs Kingdom will be screaming "WHO!?".

Jameson williams or bust!

Would 29 and 30 be enough to get up to the early teens?

The draft chart says they have the same value as the 11th pick, but I don’t see it.

Agreed. I want to move up for J Williams.

That’s a hell of a gamble. 29+50 is enough for the 15th pick.

Last time a team did that was the 2018 draft when the Saints traded up to 14 from 27 to give the Packers the 27th, 147th and future 1st for Marcus Davenport.

Btw Davenport has 21 career sacks in 4 years. Less than 7 a year. Yikes

I'm good with that, but how about #29 + #62 + 7th = #16 from the Eagles.

#16 WR William or London
#30 DT Wyatt or Leal
#50 DE Ebiketie, Thomas, Enagbare, Williams, or Bonito

No way am I trading up high for a WR.

No if you’re trading up it’s for a pass rusher

Then get your wr or corner at 30

It would be so hard to watch Burks go ONE pick in front of us! Nightmare!

Jahan Dotson looks awesome. Very good speed, good hands, versatility, good in space and he’s a quality route runner.

He’s a fringe 1st/early 2nd. Would love to have him here

I think Garrett Wilson could be the next big WR in the league. Would love to have him.

Man the more I have been thinking about it the more I have talked myself into Ojabo at 30. He won't be helping us immediately but late season when we are trying to push through the muck in the AFC and this DL needs a spark guess who comes walking through the double-wide doors? Mother ****ing David Ojabo the king of Scottland himself! This guy has literally only been playing football for 5 years and already convinced people he's a top 15 overall pick. Think about that. The talent is absolutely there and it hasn't even been properly untapped yet. This guy is a sleeping giant full of possibilities. Is it a gamble? Sure. But is it also a calculated risk that could push this team over the top? **** YES! He was always going to be primarily used as a 3rd down rusher in his first year anyways and would need a year to develop. This will be that year.

If I'm Veach I am licking my lips right now. The gods have blessed us with a buffalo amidst a famine and there's no reason to scoff at it. Gut it and grub down, Chiefs need to eat. Sign Key, sign Ingram, add Ojabo in late, and watch the DL flourish... and you'd still have the other first to trade up with and get Wyatt or a WR like Olave/Burks too.

In this scenario, why not try to grab Jermaine Johnson II instead of William or London?

I think i'd marginally prefer to go up for a Wilson or Willliams than a DE. Not sure it's rational or sensible, but i feel you ciuld still build out the DL and secondary behind that. It's partly that i feel the drop off from Williams is more substantial than from say an Ojabo or Karlaftis.

If we went up for Jermaine Johnson i could live with it as it feels like he could make an immediate impact. I'm just far less convinced by the WR class' true depth. I also have a weird feeling one of the R1 DEs might fall to us at 30.

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Hope he’s right, but find that hard to believe.

I’ll be surprised if it’s more than 2 (at least before we pick).

We’ve been linked to Skyy Moore quite a bit. Like we were with CEH .. getting bad vibes about that.

Why?

Moore is a great fit for this offense.

Are you concerned that they’re going to take him in the 1st? Or you just don’t like him at all?

Besides, pretty sure that was just one guy that linked us to him, and it’s not a reliable source.

Veach specifically said they would attack DL and they haven’t quite yet. I have to wonder if they’ll double dip on DL without first 2 picks?

I’m not ruling out a safety in the first. Thornhill is on his last year and Spags loves him some three safety looks.

I don’t think they will with the first 2, but I think there’s a good chance they do with 2 out of the first 3.

Would love DL, DE, WR for first three picks.

If they sign Arden Key I don’t think they’ll draft a DT early. I think we’re gonna see a lot of DL and DB in this draft though

I sure hope they wouldn't see Arden Key as a reason not to go DT early. He's not a long term answer.

DT is a weird one for me.

It’s hard to know how much they value the position. Veach seems to think day 2, and particular the 3rd, is the sweet spot.

Would he really take a DT that isn’t a potentially elite pass rusher early?

That’s why I have a bit of a hard time buying that he’d actually take somebody like Jones with one of those 1st the more I think about it.

Don’t get me wrong, Jones is a legit 3 down DT, but without that elite pass rush upside, I don’t think he’d take him until we’re picking at 50.

I think he'd take one very early if he's looking for a 3-tech but I just don't think he is for a guy to play the 1. He'll probably look day 2 for that like he has in the past (3rd round).

That’s similar to my thinking as well.

I can see him taking Wyatt in the 1st. Maybe even Winfrey.

But I don’t think they’d take Jones that early. I think they’d love to have him at 50 though.

They probably view him similar to Bolton and Humphrey. A really good/safe low positional value pick that could be a steal in the 2nd.

#15. WR Williams or London (Trade up: #30 + #62 + 2023 4th)
#29. DT Wyatt or Leal
#50. DE Ibiketie, Enagbare, Thomas, Williams or Bonito
#94. DE Jackson, Sanders, Pascal, Malone or Isaiah

Fill in the rest with DB, LB, RT, WR, RB

Let's use some of those picks to target a new star at WR and lock him in for 5. If Wyatt is there at #29, awesome, if not Leal probably will be and might be the better option ultimately.

I think the Chiefs will be looking to get a premier DE and WR in the first. Use picks to move up.

Then I think coverage comes into play. Safety and corner on day 2/3

I guess I just don’t see this “premier” WR that is worth a 1st. I guess maybe Olave but even he’s kind of light.

I think there’s a solid chance that Burks falls to us.

Other than that, I don’t see any of the other tops guys.

I wouldn’t hate Dotson there at all.

Burks would have been great until those combine numbers. Sure they aren’t the end all be all. I guess I just need to go find full game films to see how he looks.

I don’t get Burks. He was slow at the combine but on tape he’s running away from SEC defenders

The thing is, the combine numbers aren’t bad at all. They just didn’t meet ridiculous expectations for a guy that’s 6’2” 225 lbs.

He’s still a great athlete at that size, and I think he’d be a steal at 29/30.

I also believe that he plays faster than he times.

He’s a less polished A.J. Brown with more wiggle.

Because 4.55 at 6’2” 225 lbs isn’t really “slow” at all, and he plays a little faster than he times.

I guess it all just comes down to what Reid wants this offense to look like. I wouldn’t hate him at 29/30.

Yeah and I do like him but I wonder how much Andy does does. He historically loves guys with excellent speed. I wouldn’t consider 4.55 and a 7.28 3 cone to be excellent even at that size

I mean you can easily put on the tape and see a guy with ridiculous size pulling away from SEC defenders.

I don’t think Andy cares as much about how he tests when he sees that.

We’ll see though.

Yeah I’ll be on board with whatever receiver Andy wants there. If it’s Burks then cool.

Nate Taylor mentioned changing it up to make the WR corps as a whole more flexible. Matt Verderame mentioned something interesting….Juju and MVS both have good size and are good threats in their own right. They can block very well and take a ball the distance or go deep.

We didn’t really have that last year. Love Tyreek but he’s not a blocker. Hardman sure isn’t and Robinson is a decent blocker but will not be a threat you have to worry too much about.

I think they could be looking for an all around player at WR next month like Juju/MVS. Burks would definitely fit that if Andy thinks his speed is good enough

At that size and speed seems like a Dwayne Bowe type.

Take DE Ojabo at 29 and WR Burks or Dotson at 30

Take DE Sam Williams in the 2nd round.