Bacta + a couple weeks training. No big deal.

She's a phenomenal actor. Way better than Jake Lloyd.

Maybe he doesn't come back to defeat Vader. Could be that Obi Wan rescues Leia and returns her to Alderan, then goes back into hiding to keep watch over Luke.

"when i left you i was but the learner"

Yeah, crazy old Ben isn't beating Vader.

Bet during their second duel it's more even and Reva ends up redeeming and sacrificing herself so that Obi Wan can get away. If they go that route the reception to it will be...... Interesting.

I don't think there is any need to spoiler that. LMAO

With all the additions to the story since 1977 (particularly Kenobi dispatching Maul like he was cutting through a paper bag), I think it's fair to assume that he probably could have defeated Vader, but instead deliberately sacrificed himself to create enough of a distraction to allow Luke and Leia to escape.

LMAO

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Clay, what’s your opinion of the Reva character?

We'd talked about that earlier, and I think I sort of understand the perspective others have a lot more now. Does some of your dislike stem from the fact they've, for lack of a better way to put it, torn Obi Wan down in order to prop her up? Sort of like Rey and Luke from TLJ?

I'm not saying this is Staylor's or GoChief's opinion, but because "woke" is on everyone's minds right now for better or worse, it's really hard to not see a black female character and immediately have thoughts that it's another Social Justice hire.

That's really not fair to black and female actors/actresses, but that's kind of the side effect of pushing this shit so hard recently.

It's a real disservice to those actors who are just looking to realize a dream.

Disney ****ed that up by trying to preemptively brand anybody that criticized the character as racist. They were asking for it and got it.

I just don't think she's playing the character well. Her whole sound and dialogue are just....off.

Saw an interview she did and apparently Disney had connected her with John Boyega to preemptively prepare her for the backlash. Out of her own mouth she thought it was "weird". Pretty lame Disney has turned to cheap controversy to bolster the show.

Yeah it's a hard character to buy into.

I don't have an issue with any of the characters in the show.

It's pretty clear she's ex-Padawan gaming the Imps to try to get to Vader and her performance fits that dynamic.

In fact, I would say that's WHY she might appear to be "over-acting" in some scenes. She's trying to be evil when she really doesn't know how. LMAO

Ironically the only minor problem I have with her character is that she's black, which would never happen in The Dark Times era of Imperial rule. As a general rule, upper command was almost exclusively white and male.

So her being black AND female somewhat breaks immersion but I can allow it since she's force sensitive and they'd likely take whoever they could get in that regard.

They haven't torn down anyone to prop her up.

She's already a far better character than Finn (interesting character at first that went nowhere), Rey (horribly developed mary sue) or that awful Jannah character they jammed into TROS.

She's not the greatest character ever, but she doesn't get in the way of the story.

I don't think she has either, but I've seen a ton of backlash about Obi Wan being completely outsmarted and outclassed by her (up to this point) and having to be saved by Leia at least twice now. Their point is it's Disney shitting on yet another established character from the old days to prop up their own character. Again, I don't agree with that but seen plenty of that sentiment.

I suspect that a desire for more diversity had a lot to do with her character and casting, but that’s honestly not the issue for me.

I’m just not a fan of the character or her portrayal.

It’s all just very cringe, especially when you can feel the redemption arc coming from the very beginning.

But I’m still enjoying the series.

Yes, that really bothers me as well.

And if the leaks I read the other day are true, it’s only going to get worse.

As it should honestly. Obi-Wan learning that Anakin is alive and is, more or less, a monster should only lead to further feelings of guilt at what he helped create. If he was already a broken man, I can't imagine this will help any.

If he's going to defeat Vader in this series, it wouldn't make much sense for him to be able to do it without help given the story they've told us to this point.

I have no problem with Obi-Wan losing to Vader this round.

It’s this trash/cringe ****ing character getting the best of him, and possibly becoming the real hero in the end, that I take issue with.

And as Superturtle said, it’s more about them blatantly doing it to prop this new character up as opposed to having a good arc for Obi-Wan, you know, the main character of the show.

I just don't see the problem with his arc so far, though. We've hit the halfway point and he's presumably hit rock bottom. Now going forward should be his redemption. If at the end of episode 6 he's still a putz it's a massive problem, but not going to get too upset unless that actually happens.

I think we differ on our definition of what a good arc for Obi-Wan is. His depiction to this point hasn't bothered me at all and it won't bother me if he's further bested by the Third Sister (or any other force-sensitive character) at all. He's not only past his prime at this point, but he's completely out of practice and a shell of what he once was.

While they appear to be elevating the Third Sister character at the same time (for what purpose, it is not yet clear but I've thought it was obvious she was looking to betray Vader from E1), this story is still mostly about bridging the gap between the Obi-Wan character we saw in the Prequels and the one in ANH. This ground should be covered.

Here is what I think happens.

By the end of the show,

Agreed. Been reading the Vader comics since 2015 and he's such a badass

Also,

For anybody interested in the leaks:

FTR, lines up with what I've read as well.

I don't follow the Disney twitter so I was unaware of any controversy. Too many times people throw out "woke" for any movie that's not all straight white people on Twitter. Its too tiring to read that crap so I don't follow.

No spoilers, just my thoughts on what happens..... I think Reva was a youngling. She wants revenge for all her friends and master being killed. She dies trying to help Obi-Wan and get her revenge but allows Obi-Wan to escape torture and capture from Vader.

Sure Obi-Wan was an old man by the first movie and probably cant defeat a Vader at the peak of his powers but I don't think it was a "defeat". Obi-Wan wanted to move on to being a Force Ghost. It was a choice.

no way im reading that leak LMAO

It is pretty astonishing that Disney managed to crank out an Ewan McGregor centric Obi Wan series with HEAVY Vader involvement and it's still only managing mixed at best fan reaction.

Nah, Disney has tried to preemptively paint Star Wars fans as toxic, misogynistic, and racist repeatedly to deflect criticism from the fact they make mediocre content at their very best.

give it a rest, no one wants to talk about politics in this thread

LMAO Well, you'd know better than most.

There was an interview with the head writer that was pretty interesting. The scene with Vader killing the villagers was originally going to be much more intense but Lucasfilm made him dial it back. Bit of a shame. Also addressed the Grand Inquisitor but his answer was definitely in spoiler territory so going to leave that alone for now.

I would take the shit George Lucas was spewing out a million times to what Disney has done to the franchise. They have all but ruined it for me.

But most people loved the Vader scenes and still enjoy the show.

If people are letting the terrible Reva character and young Leia ruin the show for them, then yea, that’s pretty sad.

You can hate those characters while still enjoying the show overall though.

The Drinker weighs in on this (and other related subjects)

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this show is vastly more well done than any of the prequels, as is the mandalorian, as was rogue one and solo

Rogue One > Solo > The Mandalorian(might change as I haven't watched it all) > Prequels > Obi-Wan = That last three shit movies that were actual Star Wars movies

That's harsh. This series doesn't even come close to the absolute disaster that is the Disney trilogy of films. There's an actual cohesive overarching plot for starters, even if there are aspects that undoubtedly suck.

absolutely false

the prequels were horribly directed and poorly written

obi wan is the exact opposite

You went too far with the last one.

no i didn't. show me any cringeworthy dialogue in solo on part with the garbage romance crap in the prequels.

that movie perfectly executed the origin story of han solo, the only thing that was slightly off was alden's casting, which was still a very very good performance

I really enjoyed Solo. It was a fun movie, and came closest to capturing the swashbuckling feel of the '77 original.

The backlash against Solo was, IMO, misdirected backlash over the odious Last Jedi. As people became more and more annoyed with it, they were just looking for a scapegoat, and a movie featuring a new actor playing Han was the perfect target for them. Same thing happened to The Postman, which really wasn't a bad film - but everybody still wanted to slam Costner for Waterworld, so it got unfairly blasted. It's like a guy who reaches over to pinch a woman's ass, and then she turns around and slaps the guy directly behind her who didn't even see it happen. Wrong place, wrong time.

I would rank Solo above all post-80s movies except Rogue One.

I think Disney has done a mostly exceptional job with the odious exceptions of hiring JJ Abrams and Daisy Ridley

Those two GIANT gaffes ruined the ST, but you can't say they haven't learned from their mistakes, UNLIKE the idiots who keep dicking around with Star Trek.

I have high hopes for the Ashoka and Andor series.

I didn't like Solo much the only time I saw it in theatres, but I suppose I should give it another chance at some point.

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From what I've read The High Republic will include Tyvokka Wookie Jedi Master

Have a feeling people aren't going to like today's episode much.

Wait. Didn't Obi-Wan turn his saber and off and just take the hit?

* I just found the fight on Youtube. He very obviously sacrificed himself. Also, Leia's jiggly titties:

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Big apologies to The Spoiler Gestapo for giving away the 45 year old plot point.

I can't watch that scene and not think of this one. Lucas should just include it as canonical to the film for it being THAT ****ing good

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Still amazes me that's a fanmade duel. Insanely high quality.

Yeah, that's one of the coolest things ever.

I love the Cops parody as well.

That was ****ing awesome. God the lightsabers look great on this show.

All Ben's sneaking around in this ep also reminds me how much damage and escaping the rebels have done throughout the movies just by sneaking around the various massive buildings/bases/ships/etc.

If the Empire would just put some video cameras around the place, the rebels would never have a success. Instead, let's just use a couple incompetent stormtroopers and maybe a droid to randomly roam around to watch everything.

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Cal also absolutely wrecked the Ninth Sister.

Chad Kestis also has what's probably the coolest lightsaber design in Canon, being a mishmash of his two former masters lightsabers salvaged and pieced together into a staff blade that can separate.

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well my emotions

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{Bangs. head. on. desk.}

Why. Why! WHY!!!!

Why does every goddamn Star Wars story insist on a redemption arc? Surely they won't give Reva one....

{sigh}

Yes they will. They gave one of the most irredeemable characters in the history of the franchise one - why wouldn't they give Reva one?

Here's the funny part, though - since Disney went ahead and decided to draw the sting and in the process turn all the attention to Reva, they've at least convinced people to overlook that one of these inquisitors has REALLY sucked.

The 5th Brother is ****ing cringeworthy. He's just awful. Every time he's on the screen I just want him to shut up and go away. Part of the reason people are dumping on Reva as a character is that her foil, more than Obi Wan, is actually the 5th Brother. And you can't play off a guy doing that poor a job (though McGregor did manage to pull it off nicely in Revenge of the Sith - but who can expect that of anyone that isn't Ewan - he's awesome).

Man that character blows.

So...stupid question.

Are light sabers hot? Because on occasion you see them jam one through a steel door and they melt through it. Then you'll see Obi Wan drill some storm trooper with one and instead of slicing through him like a hot knife through butter, he just gets knocked down like he's being whacked with a tourney sword.

I'm confused...

I get it. Space wizards. Not that kind of movie, bruv. But c'mon - this seems like some internal consistency that would be awfully easy to put in place. Like when somebody's hand gets chopped off and instantly cauterizes, why does getting hit in the leg not take THAT off? Just fix the glitch here guys. And I don't truly care which direction you go - just make it some sort of bludgeoning device if production costs mandate. But don't make it a plasma cutter when you want it to be and a whiffle bat when you don't.

At this point it's comedy having the other Inquisitor tell her how much she sucks despite the fact she's the only one that ever accomplishes, well, anything.

I'm still mostly enjoying this. Brat Leia is becoming less annoying. I guess my expectations going in were pretty low, so I'm sure that helps.

Also, I'm much more a Star Trek fan than a Star Wars fan, and as it stands right now, Star Wars is in much better hands. The Kenobi series, despite it's warts, is massively better than Discovery or Picard, both of which I quit watching entirely. Jury's still out on SNW, but so far it's doing okay.

Sometimes it's the equivalent of a giant glow stick used to whack people. Pretty much every video game based on Star Wars ever has this flaw.

Bit surprised they had Reva fully intending to go through with torturing Leia in that chair. Not very nice.

Also, was it just me or did they sort of write into the story that Reva was the one that gave Darth Vader the idea to later hide a homing beacon in the Millennium Falcon so it would lead to the rebel base in A New Hope?

Excellent point.

I get turned around on the timeline often enough that I just kind of took it as a ripoff of an old idea by the writers.

But it didn't occur to me to consider it a throughput of sorts. I miss most of that stuff, though.

Because again - I'm still confused by whiffle bat sabers and the fact that they don't have a cross guard?. Shouldn't they have one of those? Or wouldn't LOTS of these guys have their hands chopped off?

{shrug} Space Wizards. I'll leave the physics and the Easter eggs to Clay.

canonically they don't generate heat

PRACTICALLY? yeah they kinda do LMAO

the important thing about star wars science is that they never really try to explain it

like none of it at all

so they can do whatever they want

which is why everyone hates that midichlorians nonsense so much

that might be the only example of them trying to get all star trek on us

by the way, reva doesnt need a redemption arc because she's very plainly a double agent

she's not evil

when have you ever seen her do anything evil, other than being kinda mean?

she didn't nuke that speeder until the fifth brother basically made her

she's a rogue ex-padawan trying to make a difference and is deep, deep undercover

i think the final two episodes are gonna be LIT

Storm troopers get hit with a blaster bolt and are dead, it took Obi-wan two strikes with his light saber to kill two different troopers.

I noticed it last night as well and it had me scratching my head a bit. But, whatever, at least we have gotten to the point in the show where he is actually using it.

Heh. That might be the only time in Star Wars history that stormtrooper armor was effective.

Still, nothing is as bad as them getting wiped out by rock throwing teddy bears. :shake:

see...it doesn't matter if star wars is stupid at times

it's damn good clean FUN

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So I enjoyed it. I too was a bit taken out of it by Obi-Wan hacking away at dudes, but I did enjoy him finding his sealegs and thrashing them later on. I won't lie, I was dorking out.

I thought pre-teen Leia was good in this one. Particularly with Reva, but also in the shoot out. She was believable and added to the story. I also don't hate Reva as much as most.

It's not perfect and it is none too deep, but I'm having a good time.