I've wondered for the longest time, why does Damien Woody have a job at ESPN? He has the personality of a broom stick and isn't exactly very bright on top of that. Boggles the mind.

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It's not that the Chargers don't have fans. They're just lead to believe by sports programs. They deserve a better product to show up for and spend their money on

What's funny from most of rankings i've seen they all got Raiders at the bottom yet they were the WC last year and mad significant improvement including getting Devante Adams but they aren't getting any respect and I'm ok with that. I think Raiders and Dolts will compete for second place and get a WC maybe both get WC but Donks will be lucky be 500 team.

IMO, the Raiders and Bolts will finish 1-2. Don't know the order. KC will finish 3rd and make the playoffs as a WC team. Once in the playoffs, anything can happen... I think the Donx still finish last.

I’ll see it when I believe it.

Are you forgetting what an epic ****ing disaster McDabiels was the first time around?

Chargers? Maybe. But the Raiders aren’t finishing higher than KC or LA.

The average score vs the Raiders was like 45-10 last year. You think they've surpassed the Chiefs now?

I believed in the Raiders rise to at least second in the division. Until the stories about the front office fiasco as of late

Maybe you're right. Maybe they finish 3rd. But they have a lot of talent, made the playoffs last year and had a good off season. They won't finish last.

Not sure that will affect the football side of things but it could.

LMAO Tyreek isn't that important dude

By that logic, we might as well not play the Bengals... I think the Raiders had a hell of an offseason. I think they have a lot of talent . I think they did better than us acquiring proven talent this offseason. So who knows they could have closed the gap? They won't finish last like many are predicting.

That's why I have KC as a WC team and noted that anything can happen once in. I think by then, the Chiefs will have worked their way through all the new additions to the team. And I think they'll be on a roll. I think the Chiefs will be a much better team at the end of the season then they're going to be at the beginning. And I think they'll sweep the Donx again and continue the streak. We play them twice at the end of the year.

Lots of new faces in new places. A lot of changes. It's all going to take time to come together. And that includes the loss of Tyreek, which I think is a big deal, especially early on. As I said, I think at the end of the year they'll be a much better team than they're going to be at the beginning of the year.

The temptation for McHalfass to go full Pioli...

The Raiders have whole new coaches and systems but WE’RE gonna struggle because we’re integrating 3 new WRs and some defensive pieces?

Lulz.

Don't see the logic there....

The Chiefs were a horrible matchup for the Raiders. They couldn't even compete. The Chiefs were blowing out the Bengals in both games before stepping on their own dicks and losing on the final play.

Remember when KC had all new coaches and a new system? And even had Alex Smith at QB? What happened? I just told you my reasons. If you can't see how the Raiders improved themselves this off season, its only because you don't want to.

There is no logic. That was my point.

I don’t think the offense will be a problem. Patrick, Andy and Kelce are still here as well as a top 5 OL. That’s more than enough to have a very good offense.

Defense will take time I’m afraid. I think by November we’ll have a better idea

The difference between KC and the Raiders last year was about 10 TDs over two games.

And you think that adding Davante Adams and a failed coach have erased that gap.

Every team adds and drops a few starters every offseason. Why would it take KC longer to get in sync than a team with a new staff and system?

Btw, we're comparing McDaniels to a HOFer now?

Another example, Bengals 2020 to Bengals 2021. New coach new players new system and what happened?
Btw, I'm not sure Reid was a Hall of Fame coach back in 2013.. Maybe he was. I know he is now though.
Honestly, anybody picks against the Chiefs it drives some of you crazy. I think the Chiefs are going to make the playoffs I just dont think they're going to win the division. I think the Chargers a d Raiders are better. And this is the thread for that type of am opinion, is it not? So we'll agree to disagree.

About right. Id put the Broncos and Chiefs at #1a and #1b but the best team in this division by far and large probably wont even win the division.

Okay, what was the difference the prior year? It was pretty darn close wasn't it? And yet last year the gap opened up tremendously, for a variety of reasons, correct? Anything can happen from year to year and I think the Raiders, thus far, have done more to improve their team than the Chiefs have. It's that simple. It's just an opinion, it's just not the prevailing opinion around here. We'll soon find out.

That example… isn’t factual.

The Bengals didn’t change their coaching staff before last year. Zac Taylor has been their coach for 3 seasons now. They got Burrow healthy and added Chase and Hendrickson. No mAjor changes.

And it’s not picking against the Chiefs… it’s picking the least likely team in the division to do it.

ESPN's FPI actually has KC as the top team in the West and top 4 overall. They're projected 3rd in the division because their schedule is much tougher than the other two.

I think his inexperience showed up at times, but burying a guy after a single season where they finished with a winning record and a single game out of the playoffs is WAY too premature. By all accounts he is a very smart guy I expect he'll make some adjustments. Their D wilted badly in crunch time last year. Don't see that happening again with the influx of talent they pumped in.

The AFC West is brutal.

Where do the Chiefs stand in the Division?
 

That’s the main reason everyone has Buffalo getting home field advantage.


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I'm not sure about the Raiders. I think they've improved their DL a lot and their weapons for Carr, but I think there's still a good chance the right side of that OL is a dumpster fire. Parham is a good pick up, Munford could help, but they're going to persist with Leatherwood I imagine and he is woeful.

Carr is just not a guy that plays well under pressure. He's not mobile or tough enough. I could absolutely see them being better, maybe a fair bit, but I could also see their OL being a significantly limiting factor.

Building monsters out of things they know they can destroy latter. Bills, Broncos and so forth. Me smart he-man argh

Back to the Raiders… yeah, they added DaVante Adams and Chandler Jones.

But did they make major upgrades in their secondary, or is Jonathan Abram still a starter (forcing them into single high or cover 3/4 looks)?

Did they upgrade the Ol, and deal with the glaring holes on the right side?

Do you look at Maxx Crosby and think “man, that’s a dynamic standup OLB in a 34?”

I think they made 2splashy moves and brought in an entirely new coaching staff that’s going to change the schemes drastically. I just don’t see the uptick.

If the Broncos hadn’t improved so much with the QB upgrade, I’d still see them as a fringe wildcard type team. But looking at the rest of the division, and them not having a playoff qualifier schedule, I think they’re a 8-9 disappointment.

Where do the Chiefs stand in the Division?
 

I just heard Dan Orlovsky call the Donkos “perfection”.

Dude has lost it.

I guess his promotion went to his head.

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He's absolutely right in comparison to a ball of shit polished to "perfection".

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The Broncos are perfection, Herbert is Rodgers. Prescott will have to be a greek god

We'll be fine.

It's possible someone might steal the division while all our new guys get on the same page; but you have to remember that just as we have a lot of new pieces to work in, so do they.

No way this isn't a play-off team, and I bet nobody is going to want to play them in January.

It’s so hard to tell bc a lot of the makeup of this team has changed. There’s a ton of question marks suddenly.

Our entire WR corps, all the new guys on defense. Sheesh. Seems like the few knowns on the team are Patrick, Kelce, RB’s, OL, part of the DL and the 2 backers

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Chiefs are by far the best team and its really not even close.

Wilson is washed and Denver defense is overrated. Chargers can't even beat the Raiders in a must win game. Its so funny. I see Chiefs winning 14 games, Raiders and Chargers around 8 and Broncos 6.

ROFL

We hear this every year just like clockwork.

They also benefited from an epic amount of injuries to the Ravens last year.

So a former Raider LB picked the Raiders to finish #1? Stunning.

Exactly.

The equivalent of David Carr picking his brother and the Raiders to beat the Chiefs ‘this time’. Every year, like clockwork.

KC 13-4
LA 12-5
DV 10-7
LV 10-7

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The Donks could be really good or plain out mediocre, but they have to prove something first. Just because they got Wilson doesn't make them a Super Bowl contender on paper in my eyes.

True, but they still beat us twice. There and in KC. They are good.

1st, because of the 6 straight division titles

To be the man, you've got to beat the man.

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Makes sense.

The list is not only in height, it's also in age

Even if the Chargers aren't at KC's level, they'll likely have one of the best records in the AFC. Their schedule is way softer than the Chiefs'.

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And right there ladies and gentlemen is the downside to legalized weed

IMHO, the Chiefs are just a simple DE away from crushing the division and beating the Bengals and Bills for AFC supremacy! I am excited for this team this season. I think we will see an evolution in the offense as well as the D in regards to the LB's and secondary as a whole. I look forward to the new and just prey they get a DE or two, to solidify this team before the season opener. We are that close! :thumb:

Top seed in the AFC has not done well

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Holy shit, how wasted was this dumbass when he came up with those rankings? Dungver #1! LMAO. Is this guy Mike Klits side piece or something? Hilarious. First time HC who’s never called plays. Team with zero Pro Bowlers, aging fat Russack WilsINT, Bustly Chubb, Judge Jeudy, the ****ing Dungkeys?? Omg!

At least he put KC above Buffalo, so there’s that.

I believe it's a rank of offseasons, not a rank of the teams.

I can't think of any other feasible way to rank the Giants at 6 and the Jets at 7 (though even for an offseason ranking, that's way to ****ing high for them)

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - Mighty Mike

Our favorite NFL team, The Kansas City Chiefs, are gonna be punching bitches in the mouth all season long.

In my eyes, the Chiefs are still #1 in the AFC west, and I still think they are the best team in the AFC. I think we should see a Buccaneers-Chiefs Superbowl.

I don’t understand the Donko love at all.

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This is how I see it also. I had KC 3rd, behind the Raiders before the draft. Imo they struggle early, but finish strong and make the playoffs as a WC. Once in, anything goes.

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Dan Orlovsky says Chiefs will underachieve because of their edge rushers. [emoji848]

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IIRC, Orlovsky doesn't think Mahomes is a top 5 QB.

He's also the guy who took a snap and immediately ran out of the back of the end zone for a safety, so.. he's kind of a dipshit.

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Colts, Raiders and Dolphins better than KC? LMAO

Jonathan Taylor buhbuhbuh.

Elite RBs are only ever good enough to make you lose in the playoffs

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17-0!!!

Hell yeah SNR!

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Easternmost

4th place has to play the Jags on wet wipe island in 2023

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Sutton has a transformer throwing to him now