Ingram is older I’d go elsewhere to look for a pass rusher.

I’d give clowney the multi year deal if he’d take it

Honestly cannot understand the clamour for Green. Absolutely no chance he's more productive than Ingram. Get Ingram and Clowney back, that's absolutely fine.

Ingram + Suh

Profit.

This roster was looking pretty depleted and I am pretty pumped about this draft. We added players that can shore up large parts of the defense (e.g. the back seven) for years if all goes well.

Just signing one veteran DE who performs at Ingram last year level is enough to make this defense clearly better than last year, I am pretty excited about the offense for this year too, I think its at worst a top 5 unit.

Looking further ahead, the Chiefs still have future needs at DE, WR, DT, TE that they didn't get to fill this draft, but you never have a super stacked roster and those needs are not dire, they can be restocked next year between FA and the draft.

There's a lot of luck involvedin drafting, and hitting the upside on luck on a few drafts in a row is how you build a dominant team. I think last year's draft was great, I am really excited about the upside on this years draft, slinging together another impressive draft next year and the Chiefs could easily be on another 5 year window of domination

Yes. The problem is, as we all know oh so we'll, without a pass rush, the defense and especially the Secondary will struggle. No matter how much potential is there.

I would not count on Clowney. He's likely to resign with the Browns. And, the Browns are rumored to be making a push to get him back. He and DeShaun Watson are very tight, and Clowney has stated that he really likes playing in Cleveland. But I get where you're coming from. Ingram made a huge difference last year, but he's at the age where all of a sudden he could really drop off.

I think Kinnard ends up earning a starting role by EOY 2023

Those two along with Hicks & Dunlap.


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Pass rush is still pathetic.


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With the trend of QB's getting rid of the ball in 2-2.5 seconds, pass rushers have to work with the DB's to have success. DB's gotta cover to make the QB hold the ball longer, rushers gotta get their quick so the DB's don't get hung out to dry. It's really a chicken or the egg thing. If the Chiefs did well in hurries(#5) but not sacks(#29) last year then pumping up the DB's to give the DL an extra 1/2 second to get there might just work.

He should start by midseason this year. Sorry got my names mixed up. Though I think kin are should probably start as soon as possible. Our RT situation is poor at best.

In other news, we might possess the weakest WR room in the West. There’s not a legit WR1 or even a player that might become a legitWR1 next season on the roster.

Guess we’ll have to see how much chicken salad Reid can make . . .

I can't believe how late they got Kinnard. Veach loves those power pigs. He's done an outstanding job building this Oline after that shit Oline cost us a Super Bowl. Chiefs Oline is gonna be high level for years to come.

Can't we just rush 2 guys like all our opponents do?

The roster as it stands
 

Trent McDuffie gives them an athletic cornerback who should be an immediate starter.

George Karlaftis will be in the rotation at DE. He gives the Chiefs a guy with a relentless motor & effort.

Skyy Moore is no Tyreek Hill but who is? Moore will provide the Chiefs another piece at WR. He looks like a slot guy to me. He has great hands & good speed.

Bryan Cook should immediately be a contributor in his role and will also challenge Juan Thornhill for time on the back end in base.

Leo Chenal will be an instant impact player on special teams who will likely develop into their starting strong-side linebacker in base. Immediate special teams contributor.

Joshua Williams gives them another corner with length on the outside. He could immediately challenge for a role in subpackage situations on the outside. Immediate special teams contributor.

Darian Kinnard is a physical player who gives them flexibility on the OL. He will provide depth at the moment & starting potential in the future.

Jaylen Watson gives the Chiefs another cornerback with length who can contribute on the outside. Immediate special teams contributor.

Isaih Pacheco gives them a talented depth player who should compete for a roster spot. Immediate special teams contributor.

Nazeeh Johnson has good size at 6-foot-2 and 189 pounds & excellent speed.
Immediate special teams contributor.


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Updated with all the draft pics

First guess at 53 man roster based upon the players currently on the roster:


QB - Mahomes/Henne
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon
TE - Kelce/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Kinnard
RG - Smith/Wylie
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW

Offense: 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Watson
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Johnson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

Defense: 24

Special Teams:3
Butker
Townsend
Winchester

Practice Squad:
Dieter
Powell
Fountain
Bootle
Key
Buchele

I could see Key beating out Cook and maybe Barcoo beating out Johnson or Watson for a roster spot.

The more I watch of him the less he looks like a starter ar RT at ths point. Looks a great guard prospect and COULD make it at tackle with a fair amount of coaching, but it'll take time. Probably good to great value but not there yet, and partly why I was more keen on tackles with good pass pro first and foremost.

I made this point elsewhere. Burrow was getting absolutely no time last year whoever he played and it didn't matter, because he chucked it up immediately and Chase and Higgins got it. And Mahomes meltdown wasn't because of constant pressure it was people dropping 8 into coverage. Maybe our new CBs will struggle with Chase and others as well, but if you can take away options for longer on the back end it's just as valuable. Loads of people talking about the diminished value of CBs etc i think are completely wrong.

Is our DL where I'd like it to be? Not really. But our secondary also desperaetely needed an injection of talent. Sneed is not a Pro Bowl level player (yet) no matter how many people here want to will it to be so.

You're out of your mind

I'm out on trying to make this kid a G. We're set there for the next 3 years, or maybe even more. Want a G? Draft a G. We've dicked around with the Prince for a year after being drafted by the Eagles in 2020., so Kinnard should have the same chance.

Yeah, dunno if I'd encourage him at G, just saying that's where I think he'd have a better chance of making it at present. Obviosly let him compete for the RT position but I wouldn't expect him to be ready this year, which is fine.

Oh? Please elaborate.

Blake bell should make this team

4 TE instead of 4 RB or over Gray/Fortson?

you think some practice squad fodder is going to beat out a 2nd round pick?

You think an undrafted free agent practice squad player is beating out our second round pick.

Quite being god damn ridiculous

4 TE. Andy had a few 4 TE sets in the playbook last year that went out the window with the Fortson injury that he would like to run. Also, Bell is the direct snap guy for short yardage so that Mahomes doesn't have to QB sneak.

Nice to see this team staying young. I just looked at the roster. Henne, with 15 years is the oldest player on the team. Then Kelce with 10 years. Burton, Winchester, and Clark each have 8 years. There's a couple of others with 6-7 years, but everyone else has 5 years or less in the league. Veach can keep this team dominating for a long time like that.

I actually think that those numbers are counting this season, because I see Kelce with 10 years, but he was drafted in 2013, so he actually has 9 seasons.

He’s our best blocking tight end. He’s also a good qb sneak option on 3rd and 4th and 1.

Complete opposite opinion. Green had 48 tackles, 15 QB hits, and 6.5 sacks last year and is on the upswing at 25 years old.

Ingram had 25 tackles, 11 QB hits, and 2 sacks and is on the downswing at 33.

Ingram is an okay rotational piece. I'd completely understand if you'd rather Green and Ingram than Green and Clowney but I'm not much on Ingram and Clowney. Green has far more upside than either and just as much production. I'd like to take that chance.

Do you guys think we’ll add another WR or are we good?

WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon

That's our WR room. So far as vets are concerned, that resembles the 'island of Misfit Toys' more than a top-tier NFL WR room. But I don't know if KC can even afford to look at a true WR1 in the current market. I'd settle for a competent adult that might bring the room together and instill some discipline/professionalism. I haven't paid much attention to the market out there so I don't even know if someone like that is available.

Don’t we have another third round pick next year for Proles? Maybe flip that for Shenault?

I’d say over Fortson. Maybe Fortson starts on the PUP?

Also, I think Wylie is the starting RT right now. Hopefully, he’s outplayed in camp though.

Dude... it's 3rd and 1. or it's 4th down... and in this MUST HAVE situation, the plan is to take mahomes off the field?

I would never.

Don't forget Blake Bell at TE. Roster or PS?

Uh. Happens all the time sweet heart. Key has a year in the system. Just because someone is drafted in a certain point in the draft really means nothing and at this point is all speculation anyway. So untwist ya man bun.

I just went out on a limb that they would only carry 3 TEs.

Got it.

You're a moron.

Copy.

I get it. It would be nice if Mahomes could sneak it but don’t think Andy will ever call a Mahomes sneak again after his injury.

It's fun to think about the different ways we could go with the defense.

DE: Karlaftis, Clark
DT: Jones, Nnadi
LB Gay, Bolton
CB: Snead, Fenton, McDuffie
SS: Reid
FS: Thornhill

or
DE: Karlaftis
DT: Jones, Nnadi
LB: Chanel, Gay, Bolton
CB: Fenton, Sneed
S: Thornhill, Reid, Cook

We have a lot of flexibility this year to match up with whatever the opposing offense is throwing at us. I feel like we have the tools to defend the Ravens just as well as we can the Bengals.

Defense will be DYNAMIC.

Awe bless your heart.

We have 14 going to camp as it is, so I don't think so unless there ends up a UDFA that tickles their fancy or some surprise value cut. It's definitely not impossible.

JuJu, Hardman, MVS, and Moore are pretty well locks which leaves two spots.

Josh Gordon, Justin Watson, Daurice Fountain, and Corey Coleman seem like the most likely to truly compete for those spots.

Not sure how serious they are about Gordon again but they brought him back and the competition isn't that serious.

Watson is a nice special teams guy so he could stick in a role similar to Kemp but has more speed. 6'3" 215 and runs a 4.42. Dominated the Ivy league at Pennsylvania with 3 consecutive 1000-yard seasons. Never did break out though in 4 years with Tampa Bay.

Fountain nearly stuck last year on the 53, so he has more than a passing shot. Seems like it'll be him or Watson and not both but you never know.

Coleman is a former 15th overall pick but has had issues with attitude and injuries, so who knows with him. He's built a lot like Skyy Moore but has worse hands. If he can be a team player and dedicates himself to being a good player instead of expecting it handed to him, the Chiefs could have a nice little steal on their hands. If not, well bye.

Omar Bayless had a really outstanding Senior year at Arkansas State then made Carolina's PS last year so he's very intriguing. Nice size at 6'1" 210 but ran a 4.62 40 and fell out of the draft.

I don't think the rest have much shot... Gehrig Deiter is here for Pat's moral support and nothing else, then you have Gary Jennings Jr that's a career PS guy, and Matt Sexton and Chris Finke don't look like anything.

If I were to bet, I'd pick Watson and Gordon as the two that stick. I'm hoping Coleman is a changed man because he could be a spark plug, but I won't get my hopes up very high.

Go on then, the last five 2nd round picks that got cut in the year they were drafted were....

Five? I think you would have been safe asking for one.

They felt so good about Key that they signed two safeties in free agency then went out and drafted two safeties.

Key might make the roster but it sure as shit isn't going to be at the expense of Cook. Maybe he beats out Bush and Johnson. Maybe.

Yeah I think agree to disagree I guess. Just don't see Green's upside other than him being young. Guess we're seeing different things

:LOL:

I guess because he was just as productive last year as 60% of Clowney's seasons, he's only 25, he showed growth last year, he's probably going to be really cheap, and a tackling dummy is probably an upgrade over Alex Okafor?

I'm not looking at the kid as a long-term starter or superstar. I'm looking at him as a rotational body that at least has some promise to keep getting better. He's built like Emmanuel Ogbah and has a similar career trajectory so far. Like Ogbah and Okafor, he can kick down inside and have some results.

I'd prefer to have that guy with at least some upside to go with a veteran like Ingram or Clowney rather than two guys that are what they are. I mean, you look at Ingram too, Green produced last season as much as Ingram has in any of the past 3 years.

I dunno, I like that. I'm not projecting him to be TJ Watt, lol.

I don't think he was particularly productive. He's a guy who flashes and then disappears for long stretches. He's another Jarran Reed but slightly younger and a DE. I honestly don't see the upside or the value and I'd probably prefer a stopgap that is a consistently strong performer, as I believe Ingram is, over a guy whose performances don't match his top line numbers. If we could get him super cheap, I guess maybe. But if the choice is between him and Ingram and working out the long term answer at DE later, I'll take that.

On the flipside I just registered your point on Okafor and strongly agree. F it, let's get him, I never want to see Okafor take another snap

April 29, 2016: Kansas City Chiefs drafted KeiVarae Russell in the 3rd round #72 overall.

September 14, 2016: Kansas City Chiefs waived DB KeiVarae Russell.

April 2005: Maurice Clarett RB drafted 3rd round #101 overall signed a 4 year contract July 28, 2005.

August 28, 2005: Maurice Clarett released

January 28 1975:Kansas City Chiefs drafted Elmore Stephens in the 2nd round #34 overall.

August 1975: Kansas City Chiefs traded TE Elmore Stephens to the NY Giants

September 2, 1975: New York Giants waived TE Elmore Stephens


1975:Cornelius Walker in the 3rd round #59 overall. Kansas City Chiefs waived Cornelius Walker before the end of the preseason.

1975: Glen Lott S drafted 2nd round #50 overall cut by Buffalo Bills before the end of the pre-season.

1975: Art Riley DT drafted 2nd round #52 overall cut by the Minnesota Vikings before the end of the preseason.

1972: Charlie McKee WR drafted 2nd round #52 overall cut by the Dallas Cowboys before the end of the preseason.

1936: Jay Berwanger RB drafted #1 overall by Philadelphia Eagles, traded to the Chicago Bears and waived before the season.


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Couple interesting updates on the ESPN.com depth chart:

Karlaftis has been moved to the starter at LDE and Chenal the starter at MLB.

Good research, but as you can tell from that, it is pretty rare that a team is going to cut early to mid round drafted players in favor of keeping low cost players and UDFAs.

It wastes draft picks and cost money.

I think Devon Key looked pretty good in practice and to begin with in preseason games, but he later got exposed when he was behind on a play, his 4.61 speed would not allow him to catch up. We will see how he does this year.

It is easy for me to say, but not so easy to do. Don't let another poster's attacking opinion get you down.

Enjoy the Chiefs and what they are doing and keep on posting on Chiefsplanet.

They also have Lonnie Johnson Jr as the #2 behind Fenton.

A young ass kicking RDE that can bend and play fast would really be the cherry on top of a nice defensive rebuild.

Marcus Davenport next year in free agency…

Woudln't hate it.

I'm thinking more of a speed guy though.

Davenport had a great 40 and 10 yard split coming out. He has a good combination of speed and power, and would really compliment Karlaftis well.

Fixed :D

He'd fit the profile for sure. I'm just looking for more of a pure speed guy to be honest. Davenport's injury history scares me a bit.

Brian Burns would be my whale I'd be looking for if they decided they ain't paying him.

Give me Sweat over Davenport.

Didn’t they pick up his 5th year option?

Edit: They did a few days ago. He will not become a FA.

Same here, but he’s not really an option.

I wouldn't be against bringing in Ferrell on a cheap deal. He damn sure wouldn't be the only EDGE I'd sign though.

Probably have to trade a pick for him.

Hell yes!

I think Davenport's 40 was 4.58 and Burns' 4.53 - it's near enough and Davenport can win more ways imo.

The good thing about Davenport too is that I don’t think he would command top dollar at the position.

Sign Davenport, and draft an EDGE on day 2 next year.

That allows you to finally go WR in round 1.

We'll find out this year just how important DE is going to be next year with Danna and Kaindoh.

I'm not saying that Danna will ever be a top EDGE on this team....but if he can continue to improve....it will help.

No doubt. It’s entirely possible that those guys make you comfortable just getting Davenport and being done with the position for a couple years.

I've got my fingers crossed for Kaindoh. For the love of God....turn into something valuable.

JuJu may not make this roster

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You're a ****ing moron.

Amén brother. Precíate you

My tentative 53.

QB: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne
RB: CEH, Ronald Jones, Isiah Pacheco
FB: Michael Burton
WR: Juju Smith-Schuster, MVS, Mecole Hardman, Skyy Moore, Justin Ross (UDFA), Justin Watson
TE: Travis Kelce, Blake Bell, Noah Grey
OT: Orlando Brown Jr., Darrian Kinnard, Geron Christian
OG: Joe Thuney, Trey Smith, Andrew Wylie, Nick Allegretti
OC: Creed Humphrey, Austin Reiter

DE: Frank Clark, George Karlaftis, Mike Danna, Joshua Kaindoh
DT: Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Tershawn Wharton, Khalen Saunders, Taylor Stallworth
LB: Willie Gay, Nick Bolton, Leo Chenal, Jermaine Carter, Mike Rose (UDFA)
CB: La'Jarius Snead, Trent McDuffie, Rashad Fenton, Joshua Williams, Lonnie Johnson
S: Justin Reid, Juan Thornhill, Bryan Cook, Deon Bush, Nazeeh Johnson

K: Harrison Butker
P: Tommy Townsend
LS: James Winchester

Offense: 24
Defense: 24
STs: 3

That's 51 spots. If you bring Melvin Ingram back then you're at 52 and you've got one more spot to fill. That could be a 10th OL or you could keep a guy like Jalen Watson on the roster. That might be some overkill on the DB side.

I also think that Niang and Fortson start on the PUP list. When Fortson comes back, you can carry 4 TEs and cut a DB.

JuJu could be good at spitballing. We know Mahomes is

I like it. I think your list will be pretty close.

Defensive backs (10) -
CB – Deandre Baker, Rashad Fenton, L'Jarius Sneed,
and Luq Barcoo, Dicaprio Bootle, Brandin Dandridge
S - Zayne Anderson, Juan Thornhill, Justin Reid, Deon Bush,
and Devon Key
Draft: (1-21) CB Trent McDuffie, Washington
Draft: (2-62) S Bryan Cook, Cincinnati
Draft: (4-135) CB Joshua Williams, Fayetteville State
Draft: (7-243) CB Jaylen Watson, Washington State
Draft: (7-259) CB Nazeeh Johnson, Marshall
Trade: CB Lonnie Johnson, Houston Texans
UDFA: S Qua Brown, Southern Illinois
UDFA: DB Komotay Koffie, Northern Colorado
UDFA: DB Nasir Green, Wake Forest
UDFA: DB Caleb Holden, Merrimack