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Mahomes passing TD's record next season is going to be Moore than Skyy high
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Like, George Pickens had a drop rate of a little over 2%. Best in the nation. Skyy was second best with 3%. Watson was like 17% |
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But, I have come around to at least appreciating how he fits in the offense. But, after watching lots of video on him, the one thing that stands out is his lack of competition. He has not played against NFL caliber corners, with a couple of exceptions. Yes, his split time and footwork will get him separation initially, but will he be able to maintain that on down field routes. Will his size hinder him on 50/50 balls? His huge hands should help, but he doesn't really have an explosive vertical. I am just going to trust that Reid already has a plan on how to use him and I WILL ALWAYS trust that any WR with even a little talent will be maximized by Mahomes. Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk |
Ordered my Moore jersey.
All you doubters are going to get tired of looking at the name on the back of his jersey as he runs in for Chiefs touchdowns. |
Used to hate the NFL's strict jersey numbering rules... but having a #24 be potentially a starting receiver is just weird.
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Skyy is going to be a damn star. My only concern with him is the cost to extend his deal in 3-4 years. He’s a really good WR in all facets Gets off press Elite acceleration Elite hands Elite quickness snd route precision Then, once he has the ball, he’s a running back. Breaks tons of tackles, great vision Nose for the end zone and first down markers. |
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Tough to judge accurately what Moore will become in the NFL due to the lack of competition he saw in college, but his measurables suggest he's Golden Tate. If he's close Veach did very well taking Skyy there. Should start by next season unless he came without a brain/work ethic.
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We've already got Hardman who doesn't run the right routes and can't even keep running the way Mahomes wants him to when the play breaks down. And those guys are still around. I don't think they're interested in this "he needs to be coached up but look at the talent!!!!" shit anymore. Not until they get some reliable dudes in the WR ranks. |
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That's like needing a meat tenderizer and instead using a sledge hammer. I mean... I guess the job got done... |
I think 24 looked great on Moore in college and I’m glad he kept it :shrug:
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Tony Gonzalez, arguably the best TE in history, led the league in drops at one point in his career. Hard work and coaching to improve a receivers hands isn't voodoo, or too much work for a professional coaching staff. Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk |
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Skyy just looks the part of a professional receiver. I think we have another Super Bowl victory if we had him on the team last year playing Pringle's snaps. |
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We are on the same page with this guy & Hardman. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I hope this guy works out, I was kinda wishing for a trade up and grab Jameson and we'd be set at WR for the future. But combined with the other picks if Moore can step up and be a legit Wr2 guy I'll be happy. The one pick I'm not super thrilled about is Cook
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Almost everything I’ve read says he projects as a slot WR that can play the Z. And I agree, I don’t see his 40 time on the field like you do with Tyreek or ever Hardman. |
"He's to small to play WR"
How ****ing big do you guys think NFL Wr's are? I mean 6 foot is about the norm. He's what, 5'10? This also isn't like the Lions or the Bears taking this guy. It's Andy and KC. Obviously he knows WR's pretty well. CP is the only place that doesn't love this pick. What am I missing? |
Everyone here had a hard-on for Williams or Watson for whatever reason.
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I can't speak for anyone else and I'm not one of the draft guys but if I'm being honest I never looked into him and listened when people on here said he wasn't good.
Everything I've seen since says otherwise |
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Yeah he totally sucked at getting open against NFL CBs. |
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Case by case, you never know. I understand where they're coming from, but measurables aren't everything. |
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You take players one at a time. I'm not saying to draft MAC receivers willy-nilly just because Greg Jennings made it. I'm saying it's a horseshit argument to take the dude's height and say, "Well, it was the MAC conference, so it's going to be a big step from that to the NFL." Moore wasn't drafted because of his production, same as it would be if we took Watson from friggin NDSU. I don't see this emaw guy bagging on Watson for playing against FCS CBs. |
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In the end, it's probably more luck anyway so who knows. |
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You ****ing guys with the MAC.
Look up Antonio Brown. All of you. Now. Look at where he played. Look at his measurables. Then look at Skyy Moore. **** you all very much. This kid is going to be a stud. Bank it. |
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Admittedly late in the process but I started to think KC might really love Olave. He was never the sexy trade-up prospect that others were, but what he does well should be right at the top of KC's priorities. Hands, route running and quickness, those type of things get so underrated while size and long speed gets overrated. |
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And if Kennard pans out, PM2 will have all day to throw to 4 quality receivers. |
The other thing I thought of in addition to what Cupid said is that there is a real fascination with needing to have an elite #1 guy. I hate going back to it all the time but if you look at what New England did winning for years is that they got a bunch of B and C level receivers and just spread the ball around. Their A guy was a TE. Hell, they didn't even have an A guy in the first few. They never won a Super Bowl with Randy Moss, but they sure did win them with guys like Givens and Patten or Cooks and Amendola. If you have a good QB, he'll find the open guys and make plays.
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Also, this is your regular reminder than more Pro Bowl WRs are drafted in the 2nd than the 1st.
https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/statis...an-the-1st-252 |
To me this kid has a very Edelman style of game. Very similar body type and seems very reliable, only had 4 drops in college.
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I don't think his cost prevented the Pats from adding elsewhere and he brought it with his play. He just lost out because the other team had a 1 in one billion catch. |
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This kid compares favorably to Antonio Brown physically. That's your ceiling. Now-will he be that? Who knows, but the tools are there.
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AB was on track to be a first ballot HOF'er. |
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Skyy is bigger, but gave me Steve Smith Sr. vibes. Hope he can contribute.
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It is totally possible for Moore to be an elite NFL WR. Not saying it will happen or that it's likely, but it's absolutely possible. Why is Cooper Kupp so great? Oh, it must be because he's 6'2, right? His slightly above average height for an NFL WR is the reason why! And played against Big Sky Conference CBs, unlike those super shitty MAC CBs! |
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But it's not likely he's AB. It's ok if he's not. I'm not setting someone's upside as a HOF'er. |
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Just like Joe Burrow won't be Tom Brady. Or Myles Garrett won't be Reggie White. It's ok. |
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If he is Tyler Lockett from a numbers and player perspective, that's a great pick.
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A player comparison isn't saying a rookie will be as good as that player. It's saying they do many of the same things and/or have similar backgrounds and measurables. It's okay if fans see what Skyy Moore did for a MAC school and say, "Hey, Antonio Brown did a lot of the same stuff in college. And they're kind of built the same way." They're not ****ing wrong. NO HOW DARE YOU. YOU MAY NOT COMPARE SKYY MOORE TO AB. HE CAN BE SAMIE PARKER AND THAT'S ****ING IT! THAT'S ALL YOU GET! |
Am I allowed to compare Skyy Moore to Greg Jennings, O.City? Can I do that?
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"Well that's a first ballot HOF'er, the odds are overwhelmingly against that" SNR "REEEEEEEEEEEE" If we wanna set unrealistic expectations, fine. Don't get mad when he doesn't hit that and people bitch about him not being that I guess. |
He didn’t say “his ceiling is AB”.
He said he “compares favorably to AB physically”. |
His floor is Albert Wilson.
His kitchen counter is Golden Tate. His ceiling is Antonio Brown. |
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Sammy Watkins did make a difference to the offense, but didn't produce at a level that matched his physical skills. Christian Watson is 6'4" and ran an official 4.36. You can't teach height. Skyy Moore is 5'10" and ran an official 4.41 at the combine (even though initially it was a 4.37 I think) They have nearly identical hand size, and played at roughly the same level of college football, except Watson was winning National Championships. 4 of them. Having Championship experience is a valuable intangible for any player. Players can improve their drop % with coaching and hard work. But players can't get taller. So, initially I wanted Watson over Moore. But, I have come around on the fact that coming out of college, he fits the offense better. Now, I am just hoping that Tyquan Thornton doesn't become a star. Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk |
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It's not my fault you can't read entire sentences and instead only look at a few key words and infer incorrect meaning. It's called nuance. |
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I would assume that to mean ceiling as a player? |
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Like 2 seasons of Carson Wentz. Did one of those OL guys like Billy Turner make a Pro Bowl eventually? I can't even remember. I thought Kyle Emmanuel would be good, but he was kind of meh/crap. Dillon Radunz has started like one game so far. There are a few other FCS schools with far more impressive track records of having great players in the NFL. And again, that's not to say you should avoid NDSU just because of the school. But maybe we should just put to bed the notion that FCS championship experience makes you a better player in the pros, because actually it kinda doesn't. |
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Is any of that false? If we went a step further and started speculating how likely he is to be as successful as Antonio Brown in the NFL, I think just about everybody would agree with you and say that the odds are pretty low. Is that called a ceiling? If so, then yes, his ceiling is Antonio Brown. |
Yea let’s talk about Watson winning championships while ignoring that Moore was the more productive player by far.
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KC had its choice of Pickens, Pierce and Moore, and ran the risk of a WR run when they moved back. It tells you they weren't wild about any of the 3, or they wouldn't have moved down. We'll never know who they liked better since their hand was forced by the two teams in front of them.
I don't think they could have gone wrong with Pierce or Moore. Lower floor and higher ceiling with Pickens. |
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So if you come out of the Big 10, your ceiling is either Russell Wilson or Tom Brady. Cool. If you want player comps to be worthwhile, I'm not sure why you'd cite outliers for them. |
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In this case, yes, an outlier is warranted to disprove that argument. We got fixated on the AB thing, but someone else (I think saphojunkie) gave an entirely reasonable take that while true that all MAC WRs have a low percentage of hitting in the NFL, the percentage of DRAFTED MAC WRs hitting and sticking around in the NFL is actually pretty high. Not all that many busts among them. |
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If your 'ceiling' for Moore is Brown, you're being unrealistic to the point of a meaningless analysis. If your 'comp' for Moore is Brown, you're flat out high. If it's all semantics, so be it. But I see little utility in invoking the name of a HoF player in ANY capacity when talking about the 13th WR taken in this draft. If the dude is Golden Tate that's a great pick. And if you're sitting there thinking 'nah, Great isn't good enough - what about AB?' then I think you're wasting your own time. |
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Antonio Brown: 5-10 186 lbs 9" hands 4.57 40yd 13 bench 33.5 vertical 105 broad 6.98 3 cone 4.18 shuttle Skyy Moore: 5-10 195 lbs 10 1/4" hands 4.41 40yd 15 bench 34.5 vertical 124 broad 7.13 3 cone 4.32 shuttle |
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Citing an outlier to rebut a trend, OTOH, don't work. That's what makes the guy an outlier. |
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