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If you follow baseball at all you'd know a dude saying he has some slight discomfort in his elbow is almost always followed with torn UCL, tommy john surgery.

The fact that he has previous sprained the UCL isn't good either, that usually means it's more likely to happen again until he has a full tear.

Well, that means doctors can't perform the surgery where they take dick tissue and replace tendons with it, because he doesn't have a dick.

With TJ surgery looming I feel the ceiling for Allen now becomes Chad Pennington meets Tim Tebow.

Allen sucks and has no dick

You should probably be more selective in who you respond to...

This is true. I’ve seen it (the lack of it). Literally a Ken doll from the waist down.

Honestly don’t want to joke about it because if it happened to mahomes I’d die inside

I like having the easiest road to the SB we can get. If Allen misses a few and that helps us then great. Nobody talks about the Brady easy road and some of the crap QB's NE played on their way to the SB so the hell with it. Easiest path is all I want.

No advocating for other teams misery but history only cares about the big winner.

Exactly right.

I don't wish injuries on our opponents but I'm not going to cry about it if they do. It's football, shit happens.

Just win, that's all there is to it.

Our division has been pretty similar to the NFC East during the Brady years. Raiders are a disaster, Broncos are the biggest disaster they’ve ever been and the Chargers are a giant cock tease.

Josh Allen is now the only active starting QB to be in the top 5 in interceptions and fumbles this season. Matt Ryan is also on the list, but is no longer a starting QB.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X1wVUC...ature=youtu.be

I don't recall (all)Rivers fumbles. Josh needs many children

So have they amputated the arm yet?

Really good write up on the injury and possibilities.

https://bangedupbills.com/2022/11/08...-injury/?amp=1

Allen is a phenomenal QB. If I could pick a QB and not pick Mahomes, Allen is who I would take.

I think most serious posts here recognize that. There is a healthy respect of him.

I also think it is fair to question if his style of play is conducive to longevity. One of the things that makes him so dynamic is his running ability, but using it as a primary play-call option, and his willingness to seek out contact on those plays make the question valid.

This isn't Justin Fields. You don't NEED to run him to have him star for you.

Nah, Brady found the equivalent of his old AFC East by moving to the NFC South. Panthers, Falcons, & Saints are all a total dumpster fire. AFC West is better than that. Chiefs were damn lucky to squeak out wins against Chargers & Raiders earlier this season. I would expect the rest of KC’s division games to be pretty close ballgames.

Thanks for sharing. That's a good find.

Mahomes or Allen is this generations Manning or Brady

Bills fans should be worried that it's still being evaluated. He could be getting a 2nd opinion....

Maybe. Manning and Brady made up an iconic rivalry because they stayed healthy(ish) and productive for the better part of 15 years. Allen and Mahomes might get there, but they need another decade of being dominant before we can really say that.

His elbow could also fall off

Sure.

But they've already played a game more memorable and epic than anything Brady/Manning did against each other.

Manning was the better QB, while Brady had the better teams/defenses.

same shit that happened with poyer last week and he was out

Even if he is able to play the elbow is not something the will heal without rest and he will continue to damage it more.

Manning choked a lot in the playoffs. Both of his rings were primarily from the defense carrying him. Brady has been pretty clutch in his career, though also extremely fortunate in some situations like the tuck rule fumble & Dee Ford offsides.

Or the Wilson INT or Belechick shutting down the greatest show on turf. Or shutting down a dominant Rams offense (after the Ford offsides). Or having a Bucs defense carry him to a SB and then dominating a patchwork OLine from KC with Mahomes being hobbled by turf toe. I will give Brady credit for a couple of SBs but to say he was clutch is disingenuous. He has greatly benefited from great defenses and sheer luck over the course of his career.

i think this is gonna be like baker playing with a torn labrum last season or brees with a torn rotator cuff in 2020

reduced ability to play QB but at least you're still giving yourself a puncher's chance on the strength of the rest of the team to win in the postseason

the bad news for the bills is josh doesn't have brees accuracy...if his velocity and range is decreased their offense is going to look a lot less sexy

Next time he's sacked and on the ground. Draw a line from his beak straight out

Very fortunate in those situations for sure. He was extremely clutch in the Falcons Super Bowl (massive comeback) and very clutch in the shootout to beat the Panthers. I would say he was pretty clutch in the Bucs Super Bowl as well. He was pretty damn good in the loss to Nick Foles. That game falls on Belichick’s defense.

The Chiefs have lost 4 divisional games since Mahomes started in 2018 and one of those games was a throwaway game that Patrick sat bc we had rhe 1 seed locked up already.

Mahomes is 24-3 as a starter against the AFC West. That’s…incredible.

For reference Brady was 86-22 vs the AFC East as a Patriot. That’s a 80% winning percentage.

Mahomes has an 89% record.

He was clutch in the Falcons SB no doubt which is why I didn’t mention that one. Same for the Panthers one. I definitely give credit where credit’s due. The Bucs SB I don’t know. Their defense dominated a weakened KC offense. Brady was trash that entire playoffs and if not for his defense he never even sniffs that SB.

That’s a valid point on the earlier part of the playoffs. Brady threw 3 INT on the Packers and still won. Rodgers just didn’t take advantage. But when they got to the Super Bowl, Brady did play very well. Certainly it helped that the Chiefs offense was struggling with the injured OL and injured Mahomes. But Brady still had his fair share of very good plays against the KC defense.

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Injuries in Quarterbacks vs. Pitchers

https://ericcressey.com/ulnar-collat...ks-vs-pitchers

Makes sense as QBs don’t typically throw as hard for as long or as frequently as pitchers do. Plus they have completely different throwing motions.

That's a really nice breakdown/comparison. I hadn't found that.

And it makes sense that the UCL is more important for baseball than football. In baseball, most pitches thrown involve a lot of pronation, which puts stress on the UCL.

It also probably makes the throw he made on 4th down less meangingful, at least in regards to whether it's a torn UCL...

In the Panthers SB on the final drive the Panthers kicked the kickoff out of bounds. It isn't like he had to go far.

He was also bailed out by the refs multiple times, one of which was an INT.

The Panthers were doing their job, helping Brady.

lol here we go



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He's got the most game winning drives of all-time and I don't think its really close. Saying he isn't clutch is just being a hater at this point.

This.

Imagine hoping a guy bounces his head off the turf so that you can have a better shot to win.

Maybe try having some ****ing faith that 15 and the boys will beat whoever is put in front of them, because if they're on their A game, nobody is stopping them.

The games we lose, we beat ourselves 9 times out of 10. It's dumbass decisions, dumbass playcalls, or flat out terrible execution of something you practiced every day. (LOOKING AT YOU, HARRISON BUTKER)

If you're to the point you want the best players on the other team to just not play, because you're scared that Andy gonna Andy, Butker gonna leave 4 on the field again, Spags gonna forget defensive concepts against superstar players, or the horrific Dave Toub Special Teams Shitshow Is gonna be on display, just don't watch, because a good portion of the shit I just listed, IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

If we let it happen and Josh Allen beats us, we didn't deserve to win the game.

Keep in mind, 13 seconds isn't even needed in the divisional if Butker makes his PAT and FG. We made it harder than it needed to be but pulled it off.

We are the better team. Period. We just have to put it on the field. We don't need the best players to go down and get an easy mode title that haters will viciously mock because we didn't have a challenge to get it.

For this year I would take him.

I'm not sure I would sign him to be Mr. Franchise unless I thought I could change his style. He doesn't need to take as many hits as he does to be a great QB.

He needs to pick his moments.

I know Herbert hasn't won anything yet, but his playing style doesn't scare me. If he played for Andy he would look even better than he does now.

He has the most…..by one over Manning and Brees. Credit where credit is due though. Still think he’s nowhere near 7 rings if he isn’t the beneficiary of great defenses.

Some of Allen’s play style comes from his OCs calling designed runs. He could be taught to not take as many big hits. Hoping he slows that down because he has an arm that will allow him to be good over a long length of time.

They really keeping a lid on this Josh Allen thing. Not a good sign imo.

Trying to find a good deer antler spray.

If he's getting a second opinion thar means he was probably told he needs Tommy John.

When Mahomes dislocated a knee cap we were getting reports that night and the day after that he was gonna be aight.

The Bills' silence is deafening.

Yeah it sure seems like no news is bad news at this point.

I literally just told my son the same thing.

Eh, if the Bills treat the weekly schedule like the Chiefs do, they don't have normal Tuesday press conferences. I wouldn't read too much into it.

The Bills also have no reason to tell the Vikings to not prepare for him.

Allen does pick his moments.

Chiefs fans have this idea that Allen runs 20 times a game and I don’t know where they get it from.

Correct.

M/W/F is the typical.

The whispers would be leaking out if the news was positive.

bills learning the hard way how hard it is to be the top dog and to win a super bowl

our '19 team was on a razor's edge when you really think about it

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Hang in there, champ.

:shrug:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;There&#39;s hope in Buffalo that Josh Allen will be able to practice and play his way through this injury.&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeGarafolo</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TomPelissero</a> with an update on Josh Allen&#39;s elbow injury. <a href="https://t.co/2Vy0NmyVEY">pic.twitter.com/2Vy0NmyVEY</a></p>— Bradley Gelber (@BradleyGelber) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradleyGelber/status/1590074387092250624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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You mean stuff like this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> QB Josh Allen is likely to be limited this week because of an elbow injury suffered late in Sunday’s loss but as of now it’s considered a situation to monitor rather than an ailment that would keep him out of the game, sources say. He’s still undergoing tests to be sure.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1589704644447477761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This thread should be merged into the Bills overrated thread.

Shut up, bitch.

You're just a guest here. Know your role and shut your mouth.

Nice knowing you Jersh Allens

Hope we get some positive news about him tomorrow. Dude is a baller and the league is better when he’s playing.

Yeah, stuff it!

Any word on if his arm is still attached?


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No we don't mean stuff from yesterday morning.

He's screwed and so are the Bills.

I agree Buffalo will drag this out as long as they can. Why not make them prepare for two QB's? I just think it's gamesmanship. I have seen Allen hit and look like he is dying sit out a play go back in and destroy. He has a bit of an actor in him.

Some of the designed runs leave me scratching my head and it's true some of that is on the OC.

First and second down in the first half against a team you 'should' beat I don't see why you are doing a designed run up the middle where Allen takes a hit.

[Yes, Lamar does that too. I also wonder about his durability but Lamar seems to mostly have a knack that even when he is tackled in the open he usually does not take a big hit.]

Anyway, doesn't seems smart to me.

And then to see him still running when up 2+ scores in the fourth or something.

And then to take a hit instead of going out of bounds or sliding.

I mean if it is third down going for a first. Or going for a TD. Or a big game like obviously KC was or a division game. But it seems like every game is that way from what I've seen when watching on Sunday Ticket.

From my admittedly limited watching, he has too much of a RB perspective.

However, he might take a big hit or two and/or miss a half dozen games and decide maybe a different style would serve him better long term...

...or maybe he will continue to be superman out there.

Um maybe.


But also all of Bills Mafia is on pins and needles right now. I think it's suspicious.

You'd think they wouldn't need gamesmanship if Allen was going to play. I don't think he will and we'll see for how long.

Josh didn’t get hurt running the ball. He got hurt in the pocket. When/if he gets hurt running the ball, then we can have this discussion.

Sounds like good news for Bills fans. Ish.



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The game against us where he had like 3 or 4 designed qb runs most likely.

So he's got a tear in his ucl apparently? If so that thing is gonna HURT for the rest of the season most likely. Remember the last time he had this injury he was out for around SIX WEEKS!! But got lucky that he only missed just four games due to the bye week. This is the equivalent of an elbow turf toe. The difference is throwing the ball is gonna put more stress on that elbow the further we move into the season..but we'll see. The fact the Bills are still so hushy about it tells me they are seeking different opinions and the last time they seeked different opinions was for Micah Hyde who is out for the year.

I would be surprised if he doesn't try to play through it anyway

He will play. He’s a stud & very competitive.
I bet he runs several times on Sunday.


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No one thinks he runs it 20 times a game.

But calling QB power runs up the middle with him, especially in regular season games where the Bills are cruising comfortably, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially when Allen has a tendency to take on tacklers/contact.

Patrick Mahomes is really dynamic on speed option plays. The Chiefs tend to save those for really big moments/in the playoffs, not a random 3rd and 2 when up 17 in the 3rd quarter. If they called that play in a game that didn't matter, when the result was not in doubt, I'd cringe and criticize it.