Huge difference between that one and the one last night is control of the ball. Kelce is moving the ball and isn't technically in possession. That dude last night caught the ball and that ball never left the exact position it was in from the moment he caught it. Last night he caught it and had that ball nice and tight until it was knocked out.

At work everyone knows I'm a Chiefs fan and around town I wear my Chiefs jacket. No less than 8 times today did someone ask me "Hey what about that holding call huh?" We live in a world full of NPC dipshits.

Any time the Chiefs DBs get called for that, I don't blame the officials. I blame the player. Just don't hold the ****ing receiver. Don't grab his jersey. It's that simple. You're at the mercy of the official when you hold the jersey.

today, when a kid said something about the call, I later would go up behind them, grab the back of their shirt and prevent them from walking away.

Then say, Should I get flagged?

Did not expect Shannon to be taking swings defending the (right) call while Whitlock would be crying over it today.

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I was trying to listen to Whitlock but it was so bad and full of morons I just said Nah pure garbage.

Everyone should watch the last 30 seconds of this. Sharpe's delivery hilarious.

As far as I can see, Eagles fans aren't even bitching about the refs. Most of the bitching is the tard fans of shit teams.

Bengals fans are crying
Bills Fans are crying
Pats fans are crying
Donks, Faid, and lightning bolts fans are crying

Bengals and Bills fans are the biggest loser ****s that I've ever seen. I hope neither of those franchises ever sees a playoff game again.

Patriot fans whining is absolutely hilarious after the ref-ball nonsense that helped them win so many games in a 20 year period.

People whine because of fantasy football. People whine because they were snookered into betting. People whine because everyone else does it too

Oh, if you ask them they were never helped by the refs.

'I"m sick of the media acting like a foul just didn't happen. Basically saying **** the Chiefs don't call fouls on the Eagles if it's close. ****ing stupid.



****ing Eagle fans Bengal fans are sore losers


Rioting in Philli because they lost & "controversial penalty" ****ing and idiots.


It's not ****ing controversial when the player made tugged and held the player he even admitted to causing the foul.


We are the Champions and they can suck it.


Love the tears

I heard less media defending it today, then I heard promoting it.

I think you’re hearing a vocal minority

TMZ Sports

Not saying that narrative isn’t being repeated. It’s just not in the national media except for a few small location.

Also, TMZ has no desire to be truthful. They just want clicks.

is there a reason i cant imbed my damn youtube link, wth am i missing here

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LMAO

Eisen: Did he restrict him? Sure. Did he tug his jersey? Yeah. But should that be called??


ROFL

JFC

Honestly, I think a lot of his has to do with the broadcast not showing the angle where the holding is clear right away, and with that moron Greg Olsen freaking out about it. By the time Olsen has ended his tirade and Mike Pereira had tried respectfully to correct him, the cows were out of the barn.

Eagles fans are mostly going to see what they want to see (same as if it'd been us), but even rational people who didn't have a rooting interest in the game would have agreed that he was pulling on the jersey and its was done with intent to avoid getting beat on the play.

And it looks for all the world like JuJu was getting the first down and that the ball is coming his way because Mahomes was looking there and saw it happen.

Let me channel the shit we heard from the Cinci game....."he only tugged 15% of the jersey".....

Really... If he doesn't pull his Jersey it's a first down, since the defender was in his hip pocket after the tug, he then turned it into a wheel route and he grabbed his hip again or it would have been a TD. **** everyone, if he doesn't grab they most likely lose in a similar fashion.

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Went to look into the full interview to see what call he didn't agree with and it was the catch ruled incomplete on the sideline where the ball clearly moved when he only had 1 hand on the ball as it was trapped between his body and the ground. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't give much credence into the idea that a player has control of a ball that he's trapping against his helmet with 1 hand. If it doesn't move or he doesn't go to the ground then sure, it's a catch. But if you go to ground and it clearly ****ing moves then it's not a catch. Doesn't even matter if it hits the ground or not because you are out of bounds.

Then he said he agreed with the overturn on the fumble TD because he never got a 3rd foot down. Bitch.... The rule doesn't say that a player HAS to take a 3rd step.

Yeah, you can't change my mind that Sanders caught and fumbled that ball

Yeah, I agree about that. Brady can't replace Olsen fast enough.

Be consistent! Refs Riged teh games!

OMFG how can you call an legit foul! :rolleyes:

99% of sports fans are morons.

The favorite of mine is, "it wasn't even catchable"...

Tell my you don't understand football without telling me you don't understand football....

Exactly. They don't know the difference between defensive holding and DPI.

FTR, the average that defensive holding is called per game is 1.4

It cost us to punt earlier on 3rd down, when they did the same thing to JuJu. You know Andy went to Cheffers and let him know about. No way could all the Cheffers controversy allow that to go uncalled. There, I imagine is proof to back that controversy up. Bad look to let it go

"Well they hadn't been calling it all game!"

1. They should have called it in the first half when Juju got held.
2. That doesn't mean shit when it's a legit ****ing penalty.

LMAO They never called it because it wasn't ****ing happening. Our guys were wide ass open most of the second half and there were too

Or basic physics... that a WR who has been impeded in his route (starting as the QB is beginning his throwing motion) isn't going to be as far downfield as he would have if not illegally impeded.

This just isn't true.

The Eagles receivers were not getting wide open like the Chiefs were. That's why Hurts perfomance was so impressive.

The Brown TD was a great adjustment, but McDuffie was right there with him. Goedert made several fantastic catches on great throws from Hurts where the Chiefs defenders were in good position.

Just watched the game during that moment again and major props to Mike Periera. He openly said “you’ve gotta see the whole thing. In the initial break he grabbed the back of the jersey.”

He got it immediately on the call but everyone was pissed bc they had the front angle and not the side where it was clearly visible.

On the replay when we set up Butker they had it if you look closely. Here’s the pic

I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen more screenshots of our offensive line supposedly holding their pass rush.

Supply for the narratives doesn't meet demand...

I understand this argument, but unless you can tell me that there was a comparable hold earlier in the game that the refs saw clearly and deliberately chose not to flag, how does one argue that they hadn't been calling that all game? It's not like the refs are omnipotent.

Basic hand-fighting in the secondary is not equivalent to a clear tug of the jersey. My guess is if Bradbury only checked JuJu with his hands it wouldn't have been called.

They were slipping on the sabotaged field. Please keep up with the narrative.

All of the initial replays & every show I watched yesterday kept showing the 2nd hand on his back AFTER the hold and kept going "iS tHiS a PeNaLtY?!?"

On the earlier pass to JuJu where there was contact, a Philly defender grabs MVS's jersey much worse than what happened at the end of the game. That's one that stood out to me.

Yeah. Somebody on the Chiefs probably got up in their ass about it so they'd call it if it happened again.

And missing a call earlier in the game doesn't mean you double down and not call it late in the game because you didn't earlier.

How exactly would that be fair to the Chiefs?

Oh that's right, nobody gives a **** about the Chiefs getting ****ed. Just don't want to see them win.

Yes the throw was out of jujus reach. Yes, if Mahomes throws that same pass to the same spot and the hold didn't happen it probably still goes incomplete. But here's where that logic breaks down.

If juju doesn't get held, he comes out of that break wide open. Bradberry helps himself keep position as much as he hinders juju. And so juju will have yards of separation and Mahomes can just flip that ball to the front pylon for an easy td. Where the ball ended up is irrelevant to a defensive holding call. And that is what most of the analysts I've seen arguing against the call being made are missing.

Also, the ones saying, did they call any earlier in the game? The one juju complains about a no call would have been PI and wasn't on a break. And then funny enough all the other no call replays they used were eagles players getting away with could have been calls. Never did they show any chiefs players committing infractions that could have been penalties.

Mahomes probably intentionally sailed it so JuJu couldn't catch it. He's incredibly smart and was going for the defensive holding since a first down is infinitely more valuable than a Touchdown in that scenario. He's up and pointing right after getting hit.

Wouldn't surprise me if JuJu was instructed to do what he did in the case of a blatant hold. Abandon the route and get your ass into the end zone to sell the hold.

The ball being uncatchable is beyond irrelevant considering the call was holding, not PI.

I think people are overlooking what happens in games all the time.

Q1 a DB tests the ref with a hip hook on a WR and gets away with it. Q2 the DB tests the ref on a WR a little more and gets away with it. Q3 the DB tugs the jersey and gets away with it but the ref makes a comment or makes eye contact after the WR throws his hands up and trash talks. It's the "it's close, watch it, but play ball boys". Q4, with the game on the line, the DB grabbed a hand full after knowing he's toast. The flag needs thrown either way, but 1+2+3 means the flag absolutely gets thrown.

I rewatched the game last night and rewound it about 50 times to take a close look at things.

The Eagles got away with 5 blatant penalties:

1. Earlier hold on both Bradbury and another DB on the same play. (2 flags)
2. Jason Kelce was 4 yards downfield before a Hurts pass and he leveled McDuffie on the play when blocking (1 flag)
3. Jalen Hurts had a designed run to the left and linemen Maliata blocked Derrick Nnadi directly in the back, not even close (1 flag)
4. On the 30+/- punt return by the Eagles punt returner, the very first gunner blocker pushes our special teams guy 13 Johnson right in the back (1 penalty)
5. Lane Johnson had 2 false starts never called, one was so early it was horrible and Greg Olsen even joked about it. He had what looked like one more but he was perfectly timed and in slow mo it was not. (2 flags)

I tried to find any offensive holding on either team on the line and numerous times I thought it was, after a few replays it was not or I couldn't tell. Both Olines played damn clean.

Earlier one of the Chiefs looked like they got away with a DPI in the early third I think. It was Jaylen Williams from memory.

Our 3 penalties gave them 2 first downs, one on a long 3rd that they ran the clock to zero and Frank Clark jumped offsides and the second on 4th down near our goal line where Nnadi was drawn offsides.

The last was a false start that pushed us to a 2nd and 15 but not horrible.

The Eagles fans can all Cry Eagles Cry

Also there were 18 slips on the field; 10 by Philly and 8 by the Chiefs. The painted parts of the field were worse than the non-painted.

I think the ground under the grass was too hard and the slick surface prevented any deep plants.

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If ref does not call this penalty, it adversely affects the chiefs. If ref calls it, it adversely affect the Eagles. It was clearly a Eagles hold. Refs have to call it for the integrity of the game. There is no debating that. There's always someone who will argue just to argue.

This guy has some great videos out there (a lot of TiKTok stuff). He's pretty funny.

Yup, I remember him doing all kinds of crazy pranks on youtube

Brass balls or no brains.

Take a pick.

I'm saying Mahomes INTENTIONALLY made it uncatchable for everyone, JuJu included. Once he saw the holding that's all he was interested in. TD there isn't near as valuable as a fresh set of downs from the penalty.

Hell, watching it back he's pointing to get the flag before the ball even touches the ground. He knew what he was going for.

Oh I know, that wasn't directed at you.

We've seen the refs pick up a flag after Mahomes took advantage of what should have been a free play.

If he forces that and it gets picked, refs pick up the flag.........

Right?

I saw somebody replaying that as an example of a worse hold that went uncalled and they were talking about JJSS, but MVS on the vert that appeared designed to clear space was essentially towing his DB downfield. The guy had a whole fist full of jersey and his arm fully extended.

I just couldn't help but laugh.

Whatever - bitch more, Iggles; won't change a thing.

He has probably the highest football IQ of any QB ever (certainly of any I've ever seen). This is most likely correct.

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You're going to be very disappointed and that makes me happy.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's every fan base. Complain about refs when you lose, say it was a well called game--ignoring where it wasn't--when you win.

You might be shocked to hear that i've seen it on this site as well. :doh!:

The holding call was kind of odd. In that spot, at that moment, especially when they hadn't called holding all game to that point?

But it did meet the necessary parameters required to throw a flag, so I can't say it was a bad call. We spent a fair amount of time talking about it at my party, and of course the two PHI fans were apoplectic, but even they had to eventually concede that it was in fact holding, by the letter of the law.

Think pretty much every ref is taught if you see a jersey tug, throw the flag. They pretty much were letting contact go even past the 5 yards but the pulling on a jersey, coming out of a cut if seen is going to draw the flag. I am just baffled at the supposed big name radio and TV wanting to ignore the grabbing the Jersey and pretend that is never called or not a penalty.

Not sure there was a actual tug on a jersey to that point that was missed except also JuJu before. I mean if Philly and people want to use a they were letting it go you need to show an example of the Chiefs pulling a jersey of someone coming out of a break not being called.

Apologies if already posted but most level headed breakdown I've seen

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LMAO

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo0ZI0qX...jpg&name=small

Can't understand why Fox never showed the tug since they have multiple angles. They blew it bad. Also had a lousy post game.

All of the people talking about it being a ticky-tacky call and it didnt impede his route can drown themselves in antifreeze.

I didn't really pick up on this before because I already saw the jersey pull long before the game was even over, but once you realize where the initial hold even occurs, go ahead and look at JuJu's upper body when he makes his cut. He's literally pulled back.

I enjoy it more when they feel cheated.

I know how they feel 'cause that's how I felt for years. And this is sport, and not life, so revenge and schadenfreude are absolutely on the table...and delicious.

it's a shame that happened

we were likely denied 4 TD game and an all time great moment in the SB

but we'll take the win too LMAO

Oh you mean you didn't like it when Bradshaw told Andy to "waddle over here" during the trophy presentation?

Then later followed up with "have a cheeseburger on us!"

Yeah, me neither

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^this^ and if he had only hand checked him he would have been beat for the first down, that then turned into another hold on the hip when he had to option the route to the wheel...

I think it was an option route, if he comes out of the Whip route and he's wide open, as he would have been without the hold, Mahomes puts it on his front shoulder and he gets the 1st down. If he is covered tightly he then turns it up in the wheel. He was held on both moves, period. It was the right call.

You forgot the Frank Clark offsides while both guards were rocking backwards and the play clock was at 0 and the ball was never snapped.

It was more than a hold that meet the parameters. It was a hold that prevented JuJu from being wide open on a whip route for a 1st down gain, and again, he then tugged on his hip when he had to option it to the wheel route.

Could be both.......:LOL:

Bump

Bolton would have been SB MVP. not in the script

The LIV postgame was also shit. Bradshaw may be tolerable in the studio - may be - but he sucks balls running the show when the game is over. Comes off as awkward, surly, cranky, and despite his decades of experience, unprepared.

I like how CBS puts up the championship graphics as soon as the game is over. None of that on Fox. Just their silly cartoon depictions of players after they score touchdowns.

How much longer does Fox's stranglehold on the Super Bowl last?