Chris Jones needs to take control and not be blindly led around by Greed and Greedier.

Cool. Have fun somewhere else, Chris.

Let Chris walk.

Sign Christian Wilkins for $20 million a year
Sign Kinlaw for 8 million a year.

They aren’t Chris jones bit you get two players for less than what Chris is asking and both are good players.

Good news is there will be closure on this next week… this won’t hold the Chiefs offseason hostage like last year.

No

From what I see was the Chiefs offered 70mil guaranteed for injury only and the Chris Jones counteroffer was 84mil guaranteed

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/...contract-years

You can't be this dumb. The two are not mutually exclusive. So you would have rolled with Wylie and Smith? LMAO

The Rams just signed their guard Dotson for 3 for 48...

Taylor's contract would have nothing to do with us not signing Jones...:banghead:

You can look at it however you want to.....Neil went to the Broncos which was enough to see him as evil.

You see, the problem with PFF is that if it graded posters, you'd be one of the highest graded posters on this site.

Yep, **** Neil...

If Jones go somewhere else to make 2-4 mil more after taxes over 3 years he will not be forgotten as bad as Neil, but he won't be loved here like he could be. Hell, he comes back and finishes his career, folks will be wearing 95 jerseys for the next 30 years.

I really really hope we don't break the bank for Jones. If he's cool with a "hometown discount," that would be awesome. If we have to make him the highest paid DT of all time to keep him here, then let him walk. Please!

...he thinks Taylor's contract is for $25 per... That's all you need to know about his intelligence level.

https://www.google.com/search?q=juwa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Can we get two DTs for the price of one? Cause looking at the FA class, it’s one of the strongest positions

Could add Wilkins + a 1-tech Nose and then use the draft to get your WR and other needs.

Leonard Williams + Tart?

I love DJ Reader but his injury is awfully risky.

The draft is also pretty solid in DT talent this year

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We talk about OL and WR and QB being a strength of this class but I’ll tell you hwat, this is a darn good year to need a 3-technique. <br><br>Murphy<br>Newton<br>Wingo<br>Jenkins<br>Smith<br>Fiske<br>Dorlus<br>Boyd<br>Ruke<br>Briggs<b r>Hall<br>The other Hall<br><br>They come in different shapes and sizes, but they’re GOOD.</p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1765843508466987328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

his cap hit next year (2024) is $25M, dumb $$$$

https://overthecap.com/player/jawaan-taylor/7826

This shit was over last summer. When he missed a game over it that's it. There will be no Jones this season in KC.

Despite what many here think, I am not a big fan of extending Jones. In fact, he should've been the player tagged and not Sneed. Imagine the haul you would get for Jones?
You extend Sneed and secure the best corner tandem in the NFL for the next 3 seasons. Jones was inconsistent last season. His play will only dip going forward. He would've gotten us a 1st at minimum. We would use that pick to get a guy like Newton.
Not a fan of giving big extensions to guys almost 30 who aren't QBs. It rarely ever pays off.

Who give's a ****... He's $20 per dumbass, and will be less than $20 per year during the 2nd and 3rd year of a Jones extension... Again, It HaS nO BeArInG On WhEtHeR wE SiGn JoNeS...

What would you have done at tackle last year? And did Pat get injured this year?

I hope we sign Jones because he’s elite. Best DT in the game. We need him.

If we don’t sign him, he was never that good anyway. Better without him.

We would be lucky to get a 2 for Jones. Doubt if we get that and Jones would still be $33 mil cap hit that would all come in 2024 if we couldn't trade him. He's better off leaving and offsetting other FA signings and may lead to a comp pick if we can't sign him and spread out the cap hits. Sneed was the easy decision.

Based on your justification of Pat not getting injured, we may as well have signed him for $40M per year. They are going to have to restructure a bunch of contracts like Taylor's and/or trade Sneed to sign Jones. And that all depends on if anyone is even willing to restructure.

This is where I'm at currently.

What? If we were paying Taylor $40 you may have a point, but Taylor is worth $20 per... again, what was your plan for last year if we didn't sign Taylor? Sneed is 95% gone, Veech will pull the trigger for a 2 or even a high 3 if we need to sign Jones. They haven't even made some of their cuts yet. Again, Taylor's contract has nothing to do with signing Jones and those who think Taylor's contract is shitty are football stupid.

Would love to sign Jones to that. Zero chance he agrees to it though.

i would have taken my chances with someone in the draft. All I’m saying is the Taylor contract was not worth it if the Chiefs don’t do any more restructuring or trades. he was cheap last year, but the cap hit is pretty big for the next 3 years. the guy gave of pressures. mahomes’ scrambling ability made Taylor look better than he was.

You understand Taylor's contract structure is one of the reasons we were able to keep Chris last year? As far as Tackle, Wayna Morris was the 3rd Tackle taken after pick 32, and that include Mauch, from NDSU, that is playing Guard in the NFL. So you would have started Morris? Trade up with a 2nd into the first and get a Tackle but lose Rashee Rice?

Not trying to fight, but I hate folks who don't like Taylor but don't have a coherent answer on what we could have done differently that would have kept Pat upright.

there were better options in free agency at RT last year like kaleb mcggary. he was outstanding for atlanta last year. mike mcglinchey too would have been better. both cheaper than taylor.

KC wasn’t getting anything for Jones. No one would have ponied up picks for the right to pay him $30+ million a year. They would have called KCs bluff that they would not have kept the tag on him.

I wish the best for Jones and thank you! You got 3 SB rings! Not worth setting the franchise back, IMHO.

Now about Neil Smith. He came to Baton Rouge and did autograph signings at our local J.C. Pennys back in the day. My wife informed me after coming home from work of this event. We hauled ass to the store and stood in line patiently with everyone else. I had a picture that I wanted him to sign and when it was my turn he humbly signed it and I wished him the best of luck for next season. THE SON OF A BITCH signed with the Broncos before said season started! I was so pissed! :mad: Looking back, **** him!

Today, that is a past experience that, at the time, was cool and the CHIEFS moved on.

McGlinchey? No, no he wasn’t good last year at all. Not sure what metric you are using, but he was worse for his cost than Taylor. Overall Taylor started rough but consistently got better as the season went on.

The fact Pat re-tweeted the screenshot still has me hoping that some deal is done and they just holding off on announcing it to keep leverage with the Sneed situation.

Neither one of those guys had the experience Taylor did playing Left tackle and wouldn't have been able to move to the Left side if needed. McClinchey is also 3 years older signed a 5 year deal where he will be 34 when it's done, and basically signed a similar deal. Taylor was 26. McGary was 2 years older, very average in 2022, about as good as Whylie, and signed with his current team, and again, no experience playing LT. So again, stop with the Taylor contract sucks so we can't sign Jones BS...

So your plan would’ve been to ignore the OL during the core of free agency and go into the draft with no LT or RT and hope someone we liked fell to us?

Wow. That’s…wow.

and he's 26...

Jones is a beast. He's a great player I don't think anyone is denying that.

But can the Chiefs win without him? Yes I believe they can.

What’s your pivot if Chris Jones leaves? I think I’d go after Danielle Hunter for a 3 year deal and also go after Sheldon Rankins for around $12-13 million while nagging a WR.

And here in Jax Josh Allen got tagged. He couldn't hold Jones' jock. Chris is special.

Yea to me it's clear that Taylor was the best option left. KC overpaid but it is what it is. OBJr decided to go elsewhere for less money that what he was offered the year before.

Ask the Bengals what not doing enough to protect their QB has gotten them. You could argue he holds the ball too long, but Brown Jr and Jonah Williams were not good. I would take Smith and Taylor over those two 10 out of 10 times.

Unless you can get a blue chip Tackle in the draft (which is very hard where KC drafts), you have to get your guys in FA until a later pick can possibly develop. You don’t protect the best player in the league with later round rookie T’s and hope it works out.

Jones is elite and no one is arguing that. Almost no one wants KC to lose him. But there is one player and only one player who is practically irreplaceable on this team and it’s not Jones.

$20 million is not overpaying. Wait until you see what the contracts are this year in FA. He was way better than people want to be playing in the AFC West with Bosa and Crosby primarily coming of the offenses right side.

Mc Glinchey is ****ing awful. Why are NFL fans so stupid?

The **** is that dude smoking ROFL McGlinchey ROFL

I think at the time of signing it was an overpay when considering what Wylie and OBJr signed elsewhere for, and what guys like Jones are getting paid. But yea given the increased cap and with Taylor continuing to progress I think it'll look reasonable when it's all said and done.

ROFL

Taylor is better than McGary too

We would all be singing Taylor’s praises had the NFL not tried to make an example out of him, which they didn’t when he played for a shit team.

Yep, Taylor is way better than folks think and if not for Collinsworth, it wouldn't have been an issue...

and would never ever be able to move to the Left side...

he was also near the top of the NFL in holding calls…

Yeah...but here in Jax they can't afford to let him go.

He probably is their best Defensive guy

you should put the shovel down. You would have rolled with 2 draft picks or paid a 29 Year old McGlinchey $87 mil over 5 years... And neither McGary or McGlinchey could play LT which is why Veach went with Taylor to have options. You also think that Taylor's contract has any bearing on whether we sign Chris Jones. You are football illiterate.

Mc Glinchey almost got cut

I agree with a lot of this. We have had a lot of success with late-round CB draft picks. We have not been that lucky with early-round DL picks, Karlaftis is an exception.

It's true. I've always thought he was a Chiefs Mount Rushmore Player or a complete piece of shit

except Jones has no trade value and we would be on the hook for $33 mil in cap this year.

He was but we all know he was picked on by the refs all year. There are several of those holding calls that were BS. You know they are bad when commentators are saying that they were BS.

His trade value is definitely lesser. I do have a question though.
What do you think the APY for the 2cd best DT in the league who is a 3-time SB winner that is a 5-time All-Pro and a 5-time Pro Bowl player should be?

Sign Leki Fotu for $7 million a year and Kinlaw for $8 million a year

Both are just 25 still. They have great size and can push a pocket.

Then if we trade Sneed for a second round pick take Ruke Orahoroho

DT- Kinlaw, Ruke
NT- Fotu, Buggs, Farrell

Stop with the bad takes

Those 2 guys aren't worth half those figures.

I love Chris Jones, and hope the hell he realizes a legacy at one team has value long after you retire. That being said:

Some team with lots of cap space will pay $31-$33 per for 3/4. They just wouldn't give up a 1 or 2 to have that right, and anything worse is close to the comp offset possibility. That's why Sneed makes more sense in this stacked draft as we may get a 2 coupled with a 5/6. There's a 70% chance Jones plays injury free for the next 3/4 years and plays at a continued high level. It's the 30% that scares the hell out of smart teams, because that can wreck a team. See Von Miller. If Von stayed healthy, he was on fire that first year in Buffalo, they may win it. The Chiefs aren't going to make mistakes on 3rd contracts with older guys. Chris is the exception where they may pat $28/29, but they aren't paying $33.

He has made $94 million. He will probably get offered another $90 million guaranteed at least by the chiefs. How much would it be worth to not play for the chiefs? 10 million? This is exactly a hill situation. He will be in a worse situation for the money.

Chris is going to get offered a little more to go elsewhere. He’s going to be back in KC once he doesn’t get what he thinks he will.

It’s not even rolling with two draft picks that’s the problem.

His entire plan was to go into a draft with the 32nd pick and no tackles, forcing the team to panic and choose a guy who might not be the best tackle fit.

The absolute worst thing you could do is go into the draft with such a huge glaring need. That’s what dumb teams do.

I disagree with all the taylor hate, he was being made an example of early in the season, but outside of the penalties he was very good and was fantastic in the playoffs and super bowl.

Furthermore, Taylor's contract isn't keeping us from resigning Jones...this is magical thinking.

Jones might get $32+ annual average value offer in FA but I still think the guarantees will be like a normal contract and I think Veach could feel comfortable enough giving Jones that $26-$28M contract with higher guarantees to make it happen.

You going to be ok, bro?

Agreed. Especially after the ravens dt signed for less.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="art" dir="ltr">⏳</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1766514060260970847?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don’t interpret that as a positive sign

ugh, that’s not good…

Man you get really pissy when people jerk your chain a little bit

Well in college football recruiting it usually means a commitment is about to be announced

Meh. Break off negotiations and get your ducks in a row for tomorrow. Should've known this is how it'd go down watching him and his two bundle of sticks agents make fools of themselves 2023 opening day.

Time is running out

The ****?

He’s gone, Veach is not paying the dollars he’s expecting. While the Chiefs will need to search for a cheaper replacement, it can be done. They just won’t sink the budget for one dude not named Patrick.

And I don't mind this at all

We’re not going to wait around for him