Nine snaps vs The Bucs

Eleven snaps vs Denver

Five snaps vs Buffalo

What exactly is he meant to do with such small amounts of snaps?

Dude needs more chances because the reality is Danna, Jones and Wharton aren't putting up numbers. George is the only one with a respectable four sacks smh.

If there is anything I am confident about, it is this coaching staff's ability to carve out roles. One thing the Chiefs did pretty well yesterday was getting Buffalo into 3rd and long scenarios. The pass rush on those 3rd and long scenarios I thought were undisciplined in their rush lanes, Karlaftis many times going too deep past Josh Allen and allowing him an easy step up or running lane.

I don't know if Uche is the guy but it does seems like the 3rd down pass rushing role is wide open for him. Maybe the coaching staff didn't want to empty the tank and show all their cards yesterday but 100% we will have a better plan of attack on defense for the Bills in the playoffs.

Kind of feel like he's not getting enough snaps to work through his pass rush plan. His one impact play last night he was bull rushing the LT. A few more opportunities and he can set up the speed rush or whatever his next move is. But with 5 snaps its hard to win.

So this guy played 5 snaps in Buffalo and only rushed on 3 of those 5 snaps? What the hell is going on?

And why the hell is Malik ****ing Herring playing so much?! I get FAU getting snaps but man Danna and Herring provide no pas rush at this point.

Every time I see Herring on the field I get frustrated. He's supposed to be a Mike Danna type do your job, good soldier guy. He looks like he's a borderline NFL talent way too often.

I really just do not understand how this team is rotating its DL. Even going back to the Cam Thomas trade.

What is it they're seeing on film that's compelling them to trade for these guys? And how is it translating so poorly that they're keeping them buried behind absolute scrap like Malik Herring?

This just feels like Hitchens and Sorensen all over again. We're putting guys out there because 'they know the system' but they're not actually very good at playing football.

Same reason they keep turds around like Skyy Moore and CEH. Clyde might be a great locker room guy, understand his battle with his mental illness, but at the end of the day he's simply not a highly productive player that they thought they were drafting. Cut your losses and find another great locker room guy with some talent.

Yeah I fear DJ is right. Thankfully Omenihu is coming back and knows the system.

Man we need to attack the pass rush and add another corner in the draft again. Gonna be a big offseason

Wish we’d use him more against fast qb

He could even spy off the line. The d line we have is so big and great vs run but horrible bs scrambling qb

I’m betting they want him to learn the system fully, and could also be saving him for the playoffs or at least later in the season. We haven’t really had a guy like him in the Spags era, so maybe they are developing packages that include him that will be used later on.

Or he might just suck shit. Guess we’ll find out.

Kinda hard to say he sucks, or really anything else, considering he's not playing.

I forgot we traded for Cam Thomas. I don’t recall seeing him at all this year. Spags definitely likes his guys.

I don’t post much . Is it an issue that I posted direct knowledge when I did . He could still help . I support the trade but when someone says Myles garret is my first choice and uche is my second choice is like saying my first choice is Sydney Sweeney and my second choice is Roseanne Barr

Maybe it’s because he sucks, I dunno

Doubt that. He's a DE. See ball, get ball. You shouldn't need to install different packages or plays or be deep in the playbook for that.

As great as he is, Spags tends to play his guys way to long. Sorenson, Hitchens etc.

No surprise we've had our best defenses when the young guys....play.

Personnel management on both sides of the ball has been pretty subpar this season IMO. A couple of them are downright inexplicable.

Get this kid on the morher****ing field man. Damn.

Also..FAU. Good God

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True. But hopefully they'll adjust. Kind of reminds me of last year, when everyone was screaming for less Moore and more r
Rice. Down the stretch, we got it, and it made a huge difference.

I'm trying to figure out exactly how to read that graphic.

By a certain way of looking at it, FAU hasn't been bad. The horizontal axis just says how hard the assignment is, right?

Well if the vertical access, which purportedly tracks "production above expected" -- wouldn't the 'expected' take the degree of difficulty into equation? I think that's why so many of those guys are clumped in the middle, otherwise one would think that the left side of the axis full of guys with easy assignments would actually have more guys well above the middle.

What that chart seems to say is that FAU has had a fairly easy go of things thus far but has at least been almost exactly as expected given the relative easy job he's had.

EDIT: No, it's actually even better than that -- by being at the far left of the scale, he's actually drawn some REALLY tough assignments. And so him being at roughly what he's been expected to do against those tough asks is fairly admirable.

Meanwhile Karlaftis is at roughly the same performance rate and has drawn easier assignments, which would explain why he's had more production than FAU.

I think that chart suggests that we're kinda sending FAU out there to die a bit and despite that he's been...okay.

I was gonna say "well thank God Danna doesn't have enough reps to make the chart..."

Sadly, he does. I just hadn't looked low enough to find him.

The 'Good God' on this chart belongs to that guy. Danna has been just awful this season. It's time to very seriously consider making him a 2-down player with Uche and FAU getting essentially ALL of his pass rush reps. And I wouldn't be opposed to getting FAU more reps on 1st down as well.

Danna is really hurting us out there. And I suspect Herring would be as bad or worse.

I’m not sure I’m following… how exactly does Myles freaking Garrett have one of the lowest difficulty of assignments? That guy gets a ton of attention.

That's how I read it.

He's a speed rusher. On 3rd downs, what the hell else is there to 'learn'?

Send him out there to rocket off the edge and at least attempt to pull the LT out wide to give a rushing lane for Jones or Wharton.

The fact that Danna and Herring are getting 3rd down reps is just poor personnel management. There's no real excuse for it. "He needs to learn the system" is hubris and nothing more. It's a coach thinking his system is more important than the players running it.

To an extent it CAN be. But not when you're talking about sending guys like Herring and Danna out there to just get stood straight up.

He doesn't.

That's the mistake I made as well.

He actually has one of the HIGHEST degrees of difficulty. The chart reads right to left in terms of difficulty. Left side is a lower expected pass rush grade and thus a higher level of opponent difficulty.

Easy mistake to make but the chart starts to make a lot more sense when you pick through it a bit.

Danna has been dealing with a pec injury since the bye week. They say he’s good to play but I think it’s very possible he’s playing through an injury that’s limiting him.

Now, I’m not going to pretend to believe the Chiefs didn’t try to win the game last week. I think they did.

But I can believe that a few things they have planned for the Bills could have been kept in reserve. Like giving pass rush snaps to Uche.

I don’t think they were going to roll out ALL their best wrinkles for this matchup.

Take the Bills, for example, busting out the Chargers’ DL games to trick Mahomes into a scramble that is cleaned up by a spy.

They’ve tipped that hand. That very effective tactic is now “out there” and the Chiefs won’t be caught off guard by it again.

Is that worth spending for the Bills in the regular season? Probably, as their only chance to realistically catch KC for the 1 seed is winning this matchup.

You guys talking about saving things for the playoffs are making football seem way harder and complicated than it is. Especially now that we're talking about a DE. Maybe some stunts Spags saves for when he absolutely needs them. But there's no reason at all to save a regular pass rush. "Go try your best to get the quarterback" is not some ultra secret strategy you have to save and that teams in the playoffs will be surprised by.

Especially since we're talking about Uche. He's not close to good enough to save reps for. That just makes no sense. Especially against the Bills.

You're usually on point here with your takes. I saw today where they broke down the difference in last years playoff game and the game Sunday...and that in the playoff game there was always either Leo or Gay spying...

EVERY DOWN

And then we'd play zone and force Allen to hold the ball.

We actually played zone perfectly on that run play he had, but did not have a spy.

However....they pointed out that Chris Jones and George lost contain on their gaps...most especially JONES DID...and this opened up that gap for Allen to run through.

Andy confirmed this was a breakdown in discipline by the d-line.

So there may be some stuff we held back, but for the stuff we did do, we had some breakdowns.

Yeah. I can see … saving a few approaches you think will really be effective and doing some things to sew confusion or obfuscate what they’d go to on must-have-it downs.

I can see holding down snap counts more in the regular season for guys you’ll lean on more in a playoff matchup. And I can see stashing a few plays on O for must-have-it moments in the playoffs.

Jones had awful rush lane discipline the whole game. Or he was given permission to freelance (which seems suicidal against a mobile QB like Allen).

Yup. Against Allen it needs to be a mush rush and lane contain. And Jones consistently vacated his lane gap and cost us.

I like this scenerio over that he just sucks as to why he’s not seeing the field.

You could just watch it happening, almost in slow motion.

He'd get off the snap, get into his blocker, Allen would watch which way he went and then just zip the other direction. And Jones wasn't doing anything to hide it - just getting into the body and doing a swim move. It's not hard for a guy like Allen to see exactly where he's going.

I understand that it can be frustrating for a pass rusher to not get much production in a day like that when you're working your ass off, but you really need to almost 2-gap it against a guy like Allen. Trying to shoot a gap against him, ESPECIALLY when your ends don't know you're doing it, is just easy money for a guy like Allen that's willing to run over the middle and absorb a hit.

Well Verderame talked about Uche at length and thinks Spags biggest flaw is playing guys they “trust”. We all universally agree that Uche should play and he should play a lot.

He’s rushing the passer. What’s there to know? 3rd down=beat your guy and get the sack/hit on the QB? So frustrating.

Andy does this too unfortunately. They need to get Thornton out there by next month. A guy like that with those traits can surely learn enough of the playbook to run some plays. Like Uche, Thornton represents something we don’t quite have: elite speed plus elite height potential.

Kid is 6’2” with 33 inch arms and a 38.5 vertical. Get him on the field.

Could Thornton on gadget plays be used to free Hardman up to do a little more Z stuff?

I get that they'll never trust Thornton to go out there and run option routes and such. But he can run a designed screen or sweep. He can return kicks.

If Thornton gets Hardman moved up in the offense, that's probably a worthwhile move and one that we should be tinkering with as quickly as this weekend.

Karlaftis was every bit as bad imo. With the added downside of offering absolutely nothing by way of a pass rush.

Another Marshon Lattimore update makes the Saints look like they knew more than anyone expected


https://atozsports.com/nfl/new-orlea...oogle_vignette

So we're not gonna fire Veach after all?

Really think they just don’t want to put this guy on film before the playoffs. He played a ton in his first game here and was getting to the QB, I highly doubt they just can’t find a use for him. He’s going to be playing when the bullets start flying.

It’s pretty clear at this point this team basically plays the entire regular season on cruise control, including when it comes to game plans. They are not operating the same way as other organizations. We will see entirely different looks once the games matter.

He’s safe until the next time the Chiefs lose a game.

I still think Marshon Lattimore not playing is better than Nazi Johnson playing

He played more today. I saw him get really good pressure and wreck two 3rd downs today.

Get him more reps Spags

Guy came closer to touching the QB today!

And drew a false start!

Damn I didn’t get to watch today had to listen. Glad to hear he was a factor.

He wasn’t

It seems like Hardman is always trying to give it his best. I can’t fault him for that. He’s come a long ways since his rookie campaign.

Look at his speed at the top on both plays. By far the most athletic rusher we have

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Would've been neat if Conner could've covered anyone on Sunday.

Worst game he's played as a pro, IMO. He was getting wrecked.

Yeah...he's gotten exposed a good bit this year.

I'm not sure he can play that slot CB role. Probably more of a S.

He got 1 snap this week. Trying to figure this team out some of the decisions being made this year will give you a migraine.

I just assumed they'd ease Omenihu back into the lineup, but he was out there a LOT.

Saw this in the game. He looked confused. Bolton had to tell him where to line up.


I think that’s why he didn’t play much

He was confused on where to line up on 1 play so he didn't get any more snaps?

And being a pass rushing DE has to be the easiest assignment in football outside of RB. There's no chance it's a playbook issue or anything like that. Especially on 3rd downs.

Yup but on that one play Chris and Omenihu lined up at edge. I think that confused him

Just typical Andy/Spags nonsense. They’d much rather play guys who know and fit the system than try to work any new talent in that doesn’t have the playbook down. It’s probably both of their biggest flaws. Just have to live with it. When we stop winning Super Bowls, we can start complaining about it.

I think Jones will OFTEN move the DE out of the way and just do what he wants.

He did it to Karlaftis a couple times in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Karlaftis just slide down a gap and away they go.

Uche ain't equipped for that. If Jones and Omenihu lined up at DE with Uche on the field, where's Uche supposed to go? That sounds like Jones doing Jones things and just moving himself out there.

Unfortunately this looks like the Cam Thomas trade again.

Doesn't shock me cause in Spags' first presser after the trade, the vibes talking about Uche were odd. Almost sounded like he didn't really want the guy. I thought it was different at least.

Barring injury though, it's gonna be a whole lot of mixing and matching the alignments with Jones, Karlaftis, Omenihu, Danna, and Wharton moving forward.

Jones elaborated a bit in a recent interview that he's kind of gotten permission to freestyle with that every now and again. He pretty much alluded to it being permitted if "his guess being right and it works."

Something like that...

We’re getting carved up by Aiden Oconnel maybe get your pass rushers on the field

It’s so much harder to double Chris when he’s rushing off the edge compared to when he’s rushing inside. That is undoubtedly why he’s playing DE a lot.

I want to see Chris at DE against the weaker of the 2 tackles, Omenihu and Karlaftis inside and Uche rushing on the other edge

It happens sometimes but teams rarely let talented pass rushers at 26 go elsewhere. The Patriots didn't want to retain and sign him for a reason.

He was brought in for depth.

Disagree. Uche has a history of getting to the QB. Now Charles is back I actually think this could benefit Uche and give him more space to rush the passer on passing downs. Thomas has not proven himself in the league yet so the situation is different.

Yeah I still think Uche has a role if Spags sees it. On obvious passing downs it seems obvious to have him out there with some alignment of Jones, Karlaftis and Omenihu.

That's the big switch. He's played a lot more SCB it seems and it's just not his role.

Inactive tonight

Lol man I don’t even care about this guy anymore.

Gonna pretend he’s not even on the team. May as well

I’ve had it with this ahole!!!!!

He’s dead to me

Well when you have a pass rush as dominant as ours, someone has to sit out. It's a numbers game.


No but really what the ****?

Yeesh

Ah so that's why we got him for nothing

Some kinda weird behind the scenes shit going on here IMO

Did he immediately start crying about playing time or what?

Wish I’d never taken the time to learn how to pronounce his name

Love Andy and Spags to death, but this whole ‘if you don’t fit what I’m looking for to the letter I have absolutely no use for you’ shit is really tiresome.

Really don’t understand why Veach even tries sometimes.

Keep in mind that Omenihu wasn't on the team when we brought this guy in. He's depth, and we don't need him tonight. So be it.

We might not see a worse take today

Yeah, **** those guys. What do they know about football anyway?

Save him for the playoffs.

What’s hard to understand? veach and the coaches operate in lockstep. Thomas and Uche were brought in as depth and now that Omenihu is back, Thomas become expendable. Uche is a break glass in an emergency guy and it’s hard to keep them on the roster when other reserves have multiple roles. This was the plan all along.