I remember reading an article about Toney when he was traded. The story talked about Toney, even as a rookie, purposely lining up last for every individual drill in practice because he knew, at best, they don’t get through two rotations of the positional drill…let alone one before they are onto the next drill. They also talked about him sleeping through meetings, etc.

It’s more than just his game day issues.

Yup. When we released him, I recall Veach saying he wished Toney the best of luck, but intimated that he didn’t do much to prepare himself in the off season, or something to that effect.

Why is every recent post about Veach and drafts? Take that shit to sone other thread.


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Great that we got this done. He can rest through the Panthers, but hopefully will be ready for the Raiders and Max.

He spent the off season trying to be a rapper.

Do you predict that's the new normal for him, and we should expect him to get abso****inglutely wrecked more often than not?

Would be interesting if this guy can be the solution for a couple years.

Wanya can move to Trey Smith’s guard spot when some team pays him way too much.

Kingsley can develop as a swing tackle.

I would swap Kingsley and Morris.

Move Kingsley into Trey spot and Morris is the swing tackle.

For as athletic as Kingsley is he really struggles moving backwards (kick step, pass pro). But he excels moving forward and laterally. Which screams guard.

He doesn't need to be great...just decent in splitting time with Humphries if Humphries turns out to be good.

Frustrating the good rushing DE's tends to take them out.of their rhythm.....and they start doing silly things that make them become ineffective.

You can make guys like Crosby neutral if you get inside his head....and imagine what Patrick Mahomes can do when he isn’t worried about running from guys like Crosby.

I was at the roller skating rink when this news broke and didnt see it until i got up this morning. What a pleasant surprise.


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Read Matt Derrick’s sourced article just now, sounds like they’re hoping at a minimum that Humphries can push Morris’ but they probably expect that the veteran is gonna play at some point.

And that’s how I look at this move and what makes it great. Now, Morris HAS to play well or there is a viable option — upgrade dare I say — waiting to jump in.

Before, there was no threat, and an injury to Morris would have been devastating.

The whole situation should bring out the best of both these guys. May the best man win.

I imagine at the very minimum. It will take time to for him to get in FB shape, but I would imagine they are banking on him stabilizing LT for a few years.

It'd be a big letdown to his career goals I'm sure, but far superior to the practice squad.

He's gonna play. No doubt.

Feel like we're already past the IF Morris plays bad point

If Wanya went down against the Bills we had Ethan Driscoll backing him up, now we have a solid veteran there than can back up both spots - solid move. Too bad Kingsley is unplayable at this point- maybe he’ll come down with an “injury” and they will stash him on IR the rest of the year.

Have we started this piece of shit, yet?

Yeah reading the tea leaves it looks like Veach has a fungible plan.

• Pay Humphries next season if the knee isn't an ongoing issue.
• Let Smith walk
• Move Wayna to RG
• Maybe move Kingsley to RT after another year of seasoning and growth

Wanya Morris is like Andrew Wylie. They’re both RG’s who were forced to play tackle. That’s their best fit.

Wanya is a really good run blocker and he’s a capable pass blocker who struggles blocking the edge at times.

Honestly I’m thinking G might be a better spot for Kingsley too for the same reasons.

I like this plan, but if you’re paying Humphries it means you’re probably moving on from Thuney as well. I don’t know a team in the league that has four $80+ million contracts on a single o-line, and that’s what you’d be looking at. Most likely Humphries is taking the $16 million in space you save by cutting Joe, I don’t see how you fit him otherwise, but that is fine by me. Thuney is starting to slip a lot.

Then you have two veteran tackles with Creed in the middle, so you can get by at guard again like they did in the Fisher/Schwartz days. I think you can pull off Nourzad and Morris as your guards in that scenario.

Not a knock on you, but I think people tend to grade every pick as a pure success or failure based on how good they are. But, IMO, if you’re trying to grade realistically, you have to grade based on where a player was selected, too.

If a guy is a day 3 pick and is a multiple-year starter who is average or better, that’s an A pick (4th round and on). If they’re a star, it’s an A-plus pick. If they contribute for a few years, even as a special teams player, it’s a B pick.

Picks outside the top 20 of the 1st round who are average starters are B picks. A 2nd or 3rd who is a starter and is even average over the course of their rookie deal, it’s a B+. If they’re a solid contributor you’re in B- to B territory.

Movement isn't his problem. He's getting where he needs to be.

He just doesn't know what to do once he's there.

The 2022 draft is a work of art. Truly magnificent.

I don’t know that’s true. They’ve been trying to pay Trey Smith. And the savings on Thuney ($16M) are nice but still leave you with a spot to fill.

If anything, I think they would structure that so the 25 hit is smaller and then shift investment to Humphries the next year, when Thuney is gone.

Keep Thuney for the last year of his deal, and you can now break in a drafted RG option like Morris or Suamataia or Nourzad in 25, and then be looking to replace one of Rt or LG in 26 when Taylor’s deal is done (with the idea you find an internal replacement who can handle one of those, whether it is Morris bumping out to RT, Suamataia taking RT or LG, or Nourzad taking a G spot.

Humphries would presumably not be the top LT on the free agent market, either.

IDK guys, I think Humphries could become the LT next year, but I’m not sure I would bet on it just yet.

Even in his prime, he wasn’t Eric Fisher.

Basically we’d need him to bounce back really well from the ACL AND it be a really nice scheme fit to turn into a longer term solution.

I remember doing a scouting report on DJ back in 2019, based on 2018 film, and he was a better run blocker than pass blocker at that time.

Unless they still believe Kingsley can get there in 2025-2026, I hope they swing bigger at LT.

What is the easiest position to come off of an ACL? Maybe Oline? You aren't exactly cutting and changing direction all that much. Guys sometimes come back from ACL even better these days. Such a common injury.

I’ve read it’s actually harder than the skill positions.

Think of a few guys lately who have never been the same. David Bahktiari. Taylor Lewan.

It’s no slam dunk but hopefully his surgery and rehab was done a lot better.

Lewan sued his Dr bc he thought the ACL surgery was not in any way successful and ruined his career. Bahktiari Seems to be an outlier. His timeline was similar as DJ and he came back from the ACL in November but seemed to have trouble throughout his recovery with fluid in his knee and lingering knee pain. Doesn’t seem like that is happening to DJ. He was cleared with apparently no issues.

Plenty of OL who recovered from this though. Marshall Yanda and Maurkice Pouncey came back and had 3 pro bowl seasons each.

Doesn’t seem like he’ll be ready until around when brown is tho. Right before playoffs

Yes, a few weeks before the playoffs, exactly when we need them, dipshit.

I think the free humps are getting overlooked here. We have a center who says I don’t charge for my humps! Team player right there. Now you add an above average LT when healthy. Plus he too does not charge for humps. Like Creed D.J. humps for free. Let that sink in. So unselfish to have two guys like that blocking for Pat

Not sure how good dj is but he appears to be the first finesse lt we’ve had since fisher.

Fingers crossed!

I read the same thing. Apparently, playing OT puts a ton of stress on the knee, torque-wise.

Since everyone loved the draft grades lets look at FA signed by Veach

A - Impact player
B - Solid Starter
C - Rotational Piece
D - Reserve/played sparingly
F - Never saw the field.


2018:
Sammy Watkins - WR - A- (3 yrs, 8 TDs, 1,613 yards) Had trouble staying on the field but was a difference maker when he played. Caught a critical pass in SB LIV.
Anthony Hitchens - LB - B ( 4 yrs, 3 sacks, 381 tackles) Solid starter provided stability in the LB corps post Derrick Johnson.
Chad Henne - QB - A - Henne-thing is possible - when he was in he was money.
Xavier Williams - DT - C+ ( 2 yrs, 2.5 sacks) Solid contributor on the D-line.
Orlando Scandrick - CB - C+ ( 1 yr, 1 INT, 7 Games started) Lost starting job to Chavarious Ward.
Damian Williams - RB - A - (2 yrs, 12 TDs, 1,127 yards) Solid contributor in a RBBC with Ware, Hunt, Darrell Williams and Charcandrick West.
Jeff Allen - G - C+

2019:
Bashaud Breeland - CB - A (2 yrs, 4 INT, 2 FR) Solid starter at CB.
Tyrann Mathieu - S - A - (3 yrs, 13 INT, 4 FR) Solid starter at S that made business decisions in his last year.
Alex Okafor - DE - B - ( 3 yrs, 9.5 sacks) Solid depth piece at DE.
Carlos Hyde - RB - INC - traded away to HOU after signing a 1 year $2.8M deal in exchange for Martinas Rankin.
Damien Wilson - LB - C+ - (2 yrs, 1.5 sacks)
LeSean McCoy - RB - B - (1 yr, 5 TDs, 646 yards) Valuable contributor during the regular season, ball security issues led to him being a healthy scratch during the post-season

2020:
Mike Remmers - OT - C - Versatile swing tackle that got beat up badly in SB LV in place of Eric Fisher, finished his Chiefs career on the IR in 2021.
Antonio Hamilton - CB - C- - (1 yr) - primarily a reserve
Rickey Seals-Jones - TE - F - (1 yr) - Never saw any action, was 4th TE buried behind Deion Yelder and Nick Keizer.
DeAndre Washington - RB - F - (1 yr) - Never really contributed was released and signed to practice squad. Elevated to active roster later but never really did anything
Le'veon Bell - RB - C - (1 yr, 2 TDs, 353 yards) Little used...something didn't click with him and Andy.

2021:
Joe Thuney - OG - A+ - Solid starter at LG that has made the interior of the Chiefs OL a concrete wall.
Kyle Long - OG - F - Long shot at resurrecting his career never played a down, thankfully Trey Smith didn't look back.
Austin Blythe - OC - C - Veteran insurance that was never needed as Creed Humphrey took the job from day 1.
Jarran Reed - DT - B - (1 yr, 2.5 sacks, 1 FR) Solid contributor on the D line - but nothing spectacular.
Blake Bell - TE - C - (3 yrs, 2 TDs, 133 yards) Belldozer did what was asked
Michael Burton - FB - D - (2 yrs, 1 TD, 33 yards) Never materialized as a solid replacement for the Shermanator.
Jerick McKinnon - B+ - (3 yrs, 16 TDs, 1,224 yds) Primarily 3rd down back became Pats security blanket.

2022:
JJSS - WR - B - (1 yr, 3 TDs, 933 yards)
MVS - WR - C - (2 yrs, 3 TDs, 1,002 yards)
Justin Watson - C - (3 yrs, 5 TD, 978 yards)
Justin Reid - A+ - (3 yrs, 2 INT, 234 tackles)
OBJ - OT - B - (2 yrs)
Ronald Jones -RB - D - (1 yr)

2023:
Drue Tranquil LB - A -
Mike Edwards - S - B -
Jawaan Taylor - OT - B -
Charles Omenihu -DE - A -
Richie James - WR - D -
Blaine Gabbert - QB - C -

2024:
Hollywood Brown - WR - INC
Irv Smith Jr- TE - D
Matt Ariza - P - A

Chiefs need to get that all important bye week for the post season. I think that’s a huge key for us.

I see that you haven't mellowed with age....

I have, but that dude is particularly reeruned so he gets that old school energy.

Damian Williams agent really screwed him for asking to much. Williams could have easily been the Super Bowl mvp. His stat line for his last Super Bowl was unreal.

This signing will probably be helpful. So far this season, the LTs have often missed blocks, and Mahomes has been hit while looking for a receiver.

Lmao

No Clark?

Since Humphries has been cleared by the medical staff, can't he play on Sunday?

as of 8:00 am on Saturday, he hadn’t even signed his contract yet. He will not play on Sunday. Hopefully, he can back up on Friday.

Hes just coming off an injury.

I'd rather he practice for a couple weeks first

Traded for Clark. He was not a FA.

I really hope he plays, if not starts, against the Raiders. He's the best LT on the roster for sure.

He doesn’t know the playbook or Chiefs blocking schemes…

I think it's a couple weeks before you see Humphries...

Coming off injury, new team after a decade in the league... Only makes sense.

Or Wentz - I had to compile this list from many sources - I knew I would miss a couple.

There are only so many blocking schemes and he probably knows all of them. Its the verbiage that he will need to learn.

I doubt they gave the guy $2MM+ for 7 games unless they expect him to play sooner rather than later.

Seems like a good idea to let this guy at least unpack his suitcase and get some practices in before throwing him out there, IMO

He needs to be in the first series tomorrow imo.

He can buy socks and underwear. No need for a suitcase.

Can Kamala play LT?

Corner #2 and LT our achilles heel for sure. Mahomes doesn't feel comfortable in the pocket and our defense got exposed by Baker picking on #2.

LMAO

LFG!!!

Sure chemistry won’t happen overnight. But we are in a unique situation where in our playoff standing we can get the guy plenty of reps before the games that really matter. Either that or we also have the tolerance to make some mistakes early on as long as they don’t kill mahomes

This guy could show up tomorrow. Drink a 12 pack and eat all the Topsys popcorn in the stadium. And still be better than the shit we've put out at LT this year

Matt Stairs at RG!!

Yeah I think we first see him against the Chargers. Gives him 2 weeks of practice to knock the rust off and getting some chemistry with the rest of the line and Mahomes.

She'd blow it

Is he still dating Kim Kardashian?

You got Orlando Scandrick way too high and Damien Wilson way too low.

I like this addition, and Bart Vatch seems to know what he’s doing.

A chance to get caught between him and Chris Jones in the locker room may bring Karen Kornacki out of retirement. :)

Should this include midseason too? Because I’d say wisnewski, Suggs and pennel were A+.

Haven’t read through the whole thread so my apologies if it’s a repost.

Pff is far from perfect, but here are DJs pass blocking grades each year from PFF:

2023 68.4
2022 80.5
2021 65.5
2020 79.9
2019 76.3

Eric Fishers pass block grades

2021 61.0
2020 76.1
2019 74.2
2018 72.5
2017 75.4

If his knee is gtg, he can end up as our LT the next 2-3 years and make Mahomes great again.

Thanks for this. He definitely could be a very solid pickup.

Been out of pocket but just saw this. Nice.

Be real nice if he could play for a few years

Okay now that’s pretty encouraging — even as someone who is mostly anti-PFF, at least the controllable variables are the same there.

Seems it’ll just be a matter of if DJ can recover from his injury better than Fish did.

Fish had a torn Achilles (vs DJ’s ACL).

Harder injury to recover from.

I say we still sign Donovan Smith, you think he could be had for pretty cheap at this point? Really strengthen the depth at the LT position and allow Mahomes to look downfield more because he is missing wide open WR's as he is too preoccupied monitoring the pocket as he has no trust/is running for his life almost every passing play.

Agreed.

I highly doubt a doctor would sign off on his medical due to his neck injury that was close to ending his year early last year.

Humphries is a MUCH BETTER option and isn’t even 31 yet.

I legit think he’s going to be our LT the next 3 years if that knee is solid.

Dude needs to get into game shape in a hurry, we need him very much.

Love you DJ!

Don’t like playing for FG without bukter

where art thou

Can he play both LT and RT?

Need him asap