He good

https://i.imgur.com/GNHoA6Y.jpg

Those 2 weeks are unknown, but what is now is Patrick needs rest. Wentz can win games, and Andy has with Matt Moore.

Big ifs..... but yes

Patrick getting hurt worse is also unknown. But hey, let's give the odds a big middle finger and try to do it the hard way. The team doesn't need to rest.

Mahomes will put it all together in the playoffs to get the three peat. He'll then retire and play baseball for a year, then return with a force to grab another three peat. I've seen this movie before.

Less ifs with Patrick than Wentz.

It's not about "resting" him.

If he's deemed healthy enough to play, then of course he should play.

However, the risk assessment, in terms of can he avoid sacks/pressures and protect himself needs to be carefully evaluated before allowing him to play.

There are people here that have said he should sit, period.

If this is about him being medically cleared, then we agree. If he's cleared, he should play. If he's not, he won't. It's that simple.

But suggesting he needs to sit no matter what is just dumb and several people have said it.

Parker, you saw him correct? The dude needs it being carted away, Wentz can win a game and if you win with Carson against the Texans you play Patrick against the Steelers.

Well that's stupid... just resting him if he's medically cleared, is counterproductive.

And if they lose to the Texans? They risk not getting the #1 seed and nobody else on the 53-man roster gets any rest. Nor do they get time to integrate Brown or Humphries into the offense.

I saw him. He was limping lightly after the game. It isn't serious. He's going to play.

There's absolutely zero reasons to risk the #1 seed, a week 18 meaningless game, AND a first round bye if the team and doctors say he can play.

Do we not think other guys need rest too? Rest when you have the 1 seed locked up.

I agree

Basically 1 more week of hell for 3.5 of rest if they take care of business in the next 2 games.

Tough stretch but the payoff will be worth it

That's kinda the way I see it.

"Guys this sucks, I don't like it, but it is what it is. The only way out is thru, so buckle down and win these next 2 and then you have plenty of time to do whatever you need to."

How we doing today??

Eagerly awaiting the practice footage we get on Wednesday

Hopefully this forces Andy and Patrick to fix their shit. 3 step drop and fire, screens, run the ball.

Andy’s playcalls made zero sense in the 2nd half. Long developing passes over and over again made life really hard for everybody. Thuney gave up 1 pressure in the first half and 6 the second half.

There's too many variables for me to answer this question in a smart way but I'll do my best.

I would rest him unless the injury risk is very small. Wentz is capable of coming in and doing a good job for one game. This isn't a playoff game. There's no need to act like it is.

Same thing we saw in the Chargers game. Long developing passes that will never develop because we don't have time to throw. Andy wants to fix the passing game at all costs, but his stubbornness hasn't been good for his QB's health over this last month.

Andy was clearly trying to fix the passing game in the 4th quarter against Cleveland, treating it as a glorified scrimmage with the game in hand. The problem is someone forgot to tell Cleveland's pass rushers that they're not allowed to hit Mahomes.

Or maybe it will force him to do something extremely crazy, like run the ball with Hunt & Pacheco now that we finally have them both healthy.

The o line is going to have to block then. Our running game is NOT good.

Well, think it through somewhat.

Teams are defensively playing them to throw those balls. Gonna have to complete some of em to back em up.

I dont like the 90's hairstyle.

If they lose to the Texans and the end result is playing a game on wildcard weekend then yeah, it's not just any regular season game. Especially with the injuries and wear and tear this team has had.

Getting the #1 seed is a HUGE deal. You can't just hand wave it away.

This is not about getting rest :) especially when you have an O-line that doesn't protect very well and you're playing against a playoff team who is second in the league in sacks! Yeah, let's let them tee off on gimpy Mahomes and possibly lose him for the playoffs too. Play Wentz a game or two and move forward with a healthier Mahomes, it's bad enough Mahomes ranks at the top as the most hit QB this year (108 times).

Coward

You'd think the run game would be better. At least in the middle with one of the league's best interior O-lines.

It's entirely possible that Mahomes plays this weekend AND he's healthy for the playoffs.

It's amazing to me that so many can immediately jump to the worst case scenario.

Cowards. Big time. I may have to expand the GDT review to include this one.

Trey Smith is a liability right now. Let him play out the season and then let him go. Not worth it at all.

It's not worth the risk. We have a one game cushion... Use it!

This I agree with. Has he been injured or something? He's not playing as well this year as in the past it seems.

Says the dumbest poster on this site. ROFL

I thought he played pretty good against the Browns.. We ran right with success and I saw a rep of him against Garrett where he shut him down.. not any worse than the tackle play this season.. They all are struggling if you give up a 54% pressure rate in a game..

What risk? Until it can actually be quantified we have no idea what the risk of playing Patrick is.

But we know right get now what the risk is of not getting the #1 seed.

If he's healthy, he plays. This team knows what the task at hand is. They're not going to play scared.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;If Patrick Mahomes says, &#39;I am good to go, I can go play&#39;, you are going to start the best quarterback in NFL history.&quot;<br> <br>—<a href="https://twitter.com/SaturdayJeff?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SaturdayJeff</a> on Mahomes&#39; injury <a href="https://t.co/6HN8EcuFc6">pic.twitter.com/6HN8EcuFc6</a></p>&mdash; Get Up (@GetUpESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1869022146845917407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That makes me MOIST

That's not being a coward it's about making a calculated strategic decision.

If he can play the and reinjury risk is small, then yes play him. But if the reinjury risk is high, I don't see why you rush him out there for a nonplayoff game for a team whose goal is the Super Bowl and what would be a first time ever three-peat. Especially when you consider the shortened time-span between games for these last 3.

Wentz is a capable backup and Reid knows how to design plays to make an offense w Wentz good enough to win. Don't forget we can pound the ball w Pacheco/Hunt as well.

Chiefs have yet to score over 30-pts all season w Mahomes at QB. This team wins with defense most of the time and that can continue this Sunday for one game.

Patrick Mahomes is basically the Black Knight in a Monty Python skit. You could cut off all of his limbs and Patrick would still insist he is good to go.

If there is a decision to make, Andy is going to have to make it.

It's not about playing scared as you say... It's about being smarter about your situation. If you can win the game with Wentz because the Texans aren't as good as they were earlier in the year and get Mahomes healthier then do it. Maybe some are just scared that Wentz can't win this game is what it comes down to.

Maybe just open the “Save For Playoffs” vault a couple games early and grab some of the blocking

We can save the rest for January

The strategic decision is to get the #1 seed while it's there for the taking and rest everybody going into the playoffs.

You're trying to play prevent and hope that the rest of the team stays healthy around Pat without any rest while they're playing TWO GAMES (Denver and Wild Card weekend) they don't even have to play if they win the next two.

You go on about how the offense with Wentz will be fine and then end your post talking about how it hasn't been good even with Mahomes. What gives you the idea that Andy can just dial up an offense and make it work with Wentz when he hasn't really been able to that for Pat in 14 games? Also our running game is bad. Defenses don't respect it all. Running the ball more would just shorten the game.

The rest angle just makes zero sense. Win the #1 seed and the WHOLE team will be rested and ready for the playoffs. If Pat's ankle is worse than everybody thought it becomes even more dire. He rests a week, doesn't get better soon enough, and then they miss the #1 seed. Pat is once again playing in two games that he wouldn't have to play in otherwise.

You're actually INCREASING the injury risk over time by subjecting him to more games and thus more hits.

IF you can win a game with Wentz. IF.

I'm not scared of it. I'm just recognize the probabilities. The chances of us losing are greater with Wentz. If they weren't, he wouldn't be a backup. He'd be starting somewhere. It's pretty obvious to anyone not insisting that he play this weekend.

The situation is this - win the next two games and every body gets a ton of time off.

What evidence do we have to suggest that Wentz can win the game?

This.

Pat is our modern day GOAT, but dude would play if his spleen burst and he was bleeding internally.

Common sense needs to rule here.

Let Andy make the call. If he says Mahomes is good to go, then I trust his judgement.

If he thinks Pat needs to sit, then he can design a game plan around Wentz where our running game will be heavily stressed, probably some play action.

Our team and defense is capable of winning this game w/o Mahomes.

But we're obviously a better team with him.


Andy will make the right call. I have no doubt. He knows what's at stake.

I don't think we should rest him no matter what but like IDK I don't totally trust Mahomes to like err on the side of not playing. That's not a dig at him that's why he's so good but I'm just thinking of (I can't remember what game it was, maybe in 2022) where he got ****ed up and hobbled off and refused to go for xrays and Bienemy and Reid had to yell at him until he was like "****ing FINE okay I'll do it". of course he came back in the 2nd half and won. It's just like if there aren't bones sticking out of his legs Mahomes is going to say "I'm good let's go" Even then it'd be 50/50 that he'd want to go back out there.

But ulitmately I trust the team to make the right call.

Bad run blocking + non explosive RB’s.

Once a decision on a starter is made, the Chiefs should do everything in their power to convince the Texans that the other player will be starting. Especially if they decide to make Wentz the starter. I wish SR was here to DM this fabulous (& completely original) idea to Andy. :)

Exactly.

I don't know why we haven't used Samaje Perine more in the run game. He might be the most explosive back we have.

There's two sides to that situation you posted at the end of your quote in regards to health. The one you gave is best case scenario. I'm fine with playing Mahomes if he's healthy enough to play - the plan being to get rid of the ball as fast as possible, and the coaches sign off on it for the record. But, if he shows any sign of gimpiness you keep him out for the sake of the playoffs.

Chiefs should definitely not commit to a starter until kickoff. ROFL

Make the Texans burn time reviewing tape on Wentz.

They should definitely leave it 'up in the air' and make it a 'gametime' decision.

Make the Texans take at least some time preparing for both possible scenarios.

Use every advantage you can . . . . .




Edit: GC beat me to it.

Real possibility, not hoping for the controversy, but suppose Wents starts and lights up the field???

Just stopping in to say that the Kansas City Chiefs is my favorite football franchise in the national football league.

Winning the #1 seed is the most direct route to the Super Bowl, statistically speaking. I'm all about following the path of least resistance. Playing with the probabilities, not against them.

As for Pat's health, assuming he's actually able to play this weekend, he should play. Winning the #1 seed would get him roughly 3 times more rest than resting him this week. It seems to me if we want him to be as healthy as possible going into the playoffs, getting a bye would do it. Again, it's all about maximizing opportunity.

I don’t understand how everyone can’t see this , I must have blinders on

Yes, agreed.

Even if the Chiefs lose tomorrow they win the next 2 games - they get #1 seed. So I don't understand this 'I'm increasing the injury risk over time...." statement you made when there are too many variables to say that if Chiefs lose (and they may not) that the season is basically over and they won't get the #1 seed.

Wentz is one of the better backups in the NFL, Reid knows how to design plays for him due to his time in Philly, and our D is solid. Chiefs are also at home. They can win w him.

And the strategic goal for this team is to win the SB, not get the #1 seed. Those are two very different things. Mahomes has repeatedly said what the goal for this team is this season and that's a SB victory.

That said I believe in Reid especially when it comes QBs. I've said that way before Mahomes got here, so I know he will make the right decision. I'm not overly worried about it. We'll see what happens.

So is this ****er starting Saturday?

Should know today and maybe they could be playing some games.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Long list of players expected to speak this morning - including both Patrick Mahomes &amp; Carson Wentz <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KSHB41?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KSHB41</a> <a href="https://t.co/z4s1MUe1Mq">pic.twitter.com/z4s1MUe1Mq</a></p>&mdash; Matt Foster (@MattFosterTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattFosterTV/status/1869067654277050757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If he's taking the podium that dude is playing.

They have played 14 football games so far this season, if you hold out players for “gimpiness” you won’t be able to field a team.

That is a terrible metric to determine if a player should play or not.

If the Chiefs beat the Texans and Steelers, they can rest the starters against Denver. That's one less game of hits. And then they get a 1st round bye. That's another full game of hits.

It's basic math. The chances of him getting injured again go up with every game he plays. So does the risk to the rest of the team. The goal should always be to play as few games as needed. They ve played an entire season's worth of playoff games in the last 5 years. There's no reason to subject them to extra games, especially when there are no guarantees of anything.

“It’s a little sore, so we’ll just see how it goes throughout the week”

I’m sure this is all we’ll get today lol.

If the goal is the Super Bowl, the #1 seed is overwhelmingly the best and fastest way there. That is supported by statistics and NFL history.

If the Chiefs lose to the Texans, why are you so sure it is a given that they win the next two?

Uh, what? Reid was in KC a few years before Wentz was drafted.

Pat is going to try to practice today. DJ isn't practicing though

Nice, keep the Texans guessing by having Wentz speak as well.

Thuney back at LT for another game.

He’s playing

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said the QB plan for practice today is to give Mahomes some work and &quot;see how it works out for him.&#39;&#39; Said Carson Wentz would take over if Mahomes isn&#39;t right</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1869077805151212005?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I was pretty close lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“If he can go, he’ll go. If he can’t, he can’t. That’s how we’ll roll with it. We’ll just take it day-by-day.”<br><br>- Coach Reid on Patrick Mahomes</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1869078174673567961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pat is the dreaded day by day

Hollywood will practice.

Andy Reid on Patrick Mahomes: “Let’s just see what he does. Today’s a lighter day. He’ll talk to me. The doctor will talk to me. If he can go, he’ll go. If he can’t, he can’t. It’s that simple. That’s how we’ll roll. I’ll just take it day by day and see how he does.”

As expected, Connor is in concussion protocol.

If Mahomes can't play on Christmas, the NFL should just cancel that game like they did several years ago after Damar Hamlin's death.

They can use win percentages to determine the seedings.

OH, NOooooo!! Day by day.

I kind of wish the plan was the opposite - start Wentz to see how he does. If he shits the bed, let Pat go out there, but hopefully Wentz does well enough to give Pat a break.

I doubt Pat will accept that, though. If he can play, he's going to want to be out there.