Guess who else swept the AFCN, on their way to the best record in the league? I’ll give you a hint, they’re about to threepeat!

If Hurts holds the ball, they will get to him.

Watch Hurts run, he's not even the same guy there, he looks like he's stuck in the mud. He's not remotely as athletic as Allen or Lamar.

Vic Fangio was brought in to consult the Eagles in the 2022 SB.

We scored 38 points on they ass

Who cares if they have Barkley? Also, who cares that Mahomes was hurt in 2022?

The final score was 38-35. A healthy Mahomes and the addition of Barkley wouldn't have resulted in more points. It wasn't a good game for either defense.

This is also exactly what we want, were a talented team with the best QB ever that has great coaching and scheme..facing a team with virtually no scheme other than we have 15 plays and we're just gonna out talent you.

He's still dangerous on those sneaks because he is powerful and gets really low.


But his mobility looks much worse than last time we played them.

Also, wasn't Oren Burks the same guy who tried to cover Kelce in last year's super bowl and got lit up?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/super...es-brock-purdy

Ed Oliver and Jalen Carter aren't significantly better than one or another. Carter is bigger though but younger and may be more easily confused.

I think the drop-off Hurts has experienced will come pretty close a wash with the Barkley addition IMOP. I don't know how many off you remember, but Hurts played out of his mind in that game. NO F'in WAY he replicates that.

man this an impressively stupid post, even for bwillie

Yeah, Jalen Carter is huge and disruptive.


Little Ed Oliver had a good game once against us in the regular season.

I think our team is better than the one we had in 22.

The biggest thing that scares me is Hurts and Saquon getting outside and Bolton being too slow.

Eagles also lined up in empty on 3rd and 4/5 and Hurts just ran and Bolton couldn’t get there in time.

Spags might line up single high again and put Hicks in the box to help stop the run

Bolton had arguably the best game of his career last time vs. PHI though

I see the Bolton doubters are out in force a day after he made a huge game changing play in the clutch again LMAO

Maybe he'll score 2 TDs this time.

Im not sure he’s 100%. And without his legs he feels a little like Russell Wilson. When his games are bad, they are really bad. And it’s not because he’s dealing with pressure or his elite WRs can’t get open or his mvp caliber rb isn’t opening up the passing game.

The one area that the Eagles are significantly better than when KC played them two years ago is at RB.

Mahomes is healthy and has better weapons this time vs the last time. Also let’s not forget that the following players were rookies in that SB.

Karlaftis
McDuffie
Watson
Williams
Cook (for better or worse)
Chenel
Pacheco

Mahomes has:
A better RT (in comparison to Wylie)
KHunt
Juju (as a #4 WR vs a #1)
Worthy (vs Toney)
Brown (vs Skyy)
Hopkins (vs MVS)

Taking nothing away from Philly, but it’s not like Mahomes willed a bunch of scrubs to a SB. KC has a lot of talent with a HOF HC and a HOF (should be at least) DC.

He also gave Spencer Brown the business some.

Spags allowing Chris to become a true chess piece along the front transformed the ceiling of this dynasty. Can you imagine the meat left on the bone if they didn't start letting him align all over?

Anyways, I foresee Jalen Hurts getting sacked quite a bit as he struggles to sort out pressures. Much like the MNF game of 2023.

He ****ed his knee up last week and was playing hurt even before that. Rest may help there.

I didn't get to see the game yesterday, so I don't know how Saquon broke off his big runs - but against the Rams, all of his long runs came when the Rams were playing single-high.

They shut him down for the most part when playing 2 deep.

Someone hasn't done their 9 hours of orientation in DC yet

That...doesn't make sense.

Tried to message you but says you need to clear out some messages first.

This is the first time an AFC team has played the same NFC team four years in a row. And it'll be five years in a row because Chiefs-Eagles is scheduled next year.

Saquon had 2 really big runs for TDs against the Rams....we just need to keep him under 100 yards and prevent him from busting one to the house.

He's not interested in having sex with you

I offered him a good amount of money to do it. Just a simple fisting, I bet he’s at least considering it!

It's not even about keeping him under 100 yards. If he has 20 carries for 100 yards, that's fine. Eliminate those huge runs.

We just need to make them work for everything. If they have to actually sustain drives and keep up with playoff Pat, they will eventually make a mistake.

Feel like Spags is going to just repeat what he did to PHI in '22, and focus on taking away their RBs, principally Barkley, and make Hurts beat us, again. Main thing will be to prevent Barkley from exploding for multiple big gains, and keep him out of the EZ, as much as humanly possible.

Also dictating the tempo of the game by jumping on Philly with a lead and forcing them to play catch up and abandon the run.

LMAO

https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...VQ&oe=679E2586

Thuney and Omenihu should be highly motivated for this one.

Thuney has been there done that, but I bet missing last year’s Super Bowl still bothers him.

I hope Pacheco finds a way to make a big play or two. I don’t love the player but like the person. I’d like to see him atone for that fumble last year.

So a quick perusing of the internet and the Eagles fans appear to be falling into the exact same traps as Bills fans. Don’t think we can score. We are worst than the previous matchup. Believe they have dominated their opponents in the playoffs while we are lucky. They’ll win by double digits. Etc.

Like the Bills fans, they really don’t understand how much the opponents have gift wrapped the games to them. Also like them, they refuse to see how different we are roster and motivation wise than we have been all season on offense so pointing to season long performance is completely pointless.

Nothing lucky about two opponents having 12 turnover-worthy plays and ZERO actual turnovers. It's the exact opposite of lucky, especially compared to the flukey turnover crap that helped Philly against Green Bay, Los Angeles, and Washington. If they're counting on the Chiefs to give them 4 turnovers like the Packers or Redskins, good luck with that strategy.

Skip is looking like a straight up lesbian now.

I'll bet Otter is, though.

The stress of unemployment is getting to him. Also the stress of your co-workers not accepting your million dollar payments to have sex with him.

WTF was he thinking? You can get a really hot escort at a much cheaper price. Stupid.

I had forgotten how the Eagles vs Ravens game went.

Ravens dominated the yardage, but Tucker missed a PAT and 2 field goals in a 5 point loss.

100%

2 weeks of people blowing rainbows up the Eagles ass should help fuel Pat to whips that smug look off Sirianni’s face.

Shit birds

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Chiefs to wear white the Super Bowl...

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Skip is the condom between Aikman and Buck

Interesting thing is, I heard the Eagles' running game is actually less productive by the numbers than in '22.

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Broncos 2019 defense was much better than this Eagles defense talent wise. Not even close

They aren’t some elite defense

Exactly. They play bully ball. If you punch them in the mouth, everything changes.

The Eagles remind me of the Bills but better.

I mean they have more talent at literally every position but QB. WR, DB, DL, OL -- all of it. And they try to do similar things; ground and pound with some big plays in the air sprinkled in.

They're a really tough matchup.

We always wondered how that TB game would've gone had we not had so many OL injuries and I think that may be what we're going to be seeing in this matchup. The Eagles do have a raw talent advantage at most spots but we have the better QB and better coaching staff.

Will that be enough? Man...it's gonna be tough.

This is a REALLY good Eagles team.

Chiefs win this Superbowl
NFL and refs will make it happen!
(Says losers)

Safeties and corners are highly suspect. They can be thrown on. Jalen Carter is elite but he's a dirty player and a hot head. And their numbers look better than they should because they get to play the giants and cowboys twice. And their offense is very clunky when teams don't stack the box. Hurts hasn't executed that offense well. He needs defenses to collapse on Barkley to put up numbers.

Really?

Man, i just don't see that.

Carter is a legit stud. Davis is a very good NT. Williams has made himself a TON of money this year and has been extremely good in his own right. Baun and Smith have taken significant steps forward. Sweat has been about the same guy he's been for a half-decade, a really nice complementary pass rusher. Both of their rookie DBs have been excellent for them in Mitchell and DeJean. Slay isn't what he was but he's still solid.

Their safeties are average (especially if bad CJGJ shows up; if the good version shows up, the safeties are strong as well) and losing Dean has put Burks into the starting lineup and he's a little bit of a weak spot. But the depth on that defense is really really good. They just don't have a true weakness on that side of the ball.

That's a REALLY talented defense.

Harder to do a lot of single high against AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith.

We'll mix some in, for sure. And we'll disguise everything we do. But if we try to do it too often they'll look to go over the top of it and both of those WRs have the speed and ability to make a mediocre Hurts throw look better than it is.

We're absolutely going to have to play our best game of the season. A B+ game probably doesn't get it done.

The good news is that this team has made a habit of playing its best in the Super Bowl.

I remember our last regular season game against the Eagles back in 2023. Spags was sending corner blitzes relentlessly and they seemed to work really well.

I wonder how much of that we’ll see this time..

It also seems like they play their best whenever they are facing elite competition. They'll barely beat Carolina, but give them some big, bad NFL stud team and they play great. I'll take it.

You can see the upward trends in this team over the last month or so. Sunday's game was probably their best. They're going to beat the Eagles.

What makes me feel better about containing their offense is that their skill positions are extremely top heavy.

Barkley, Brown, and Smith are great players. No doubt. Goedert is solid, but remains a 500-800 yard TE. No better, no worse.

After that, they have basically all JAGs.

We all haven’t been shy about criticizing the Chiefs OL, but Mahomes took 36 sacks in 16 games compared to Hurts taking 38 in 15 games.

I don’t think that’s reflective of the OLs, but rather what happens when you make Hurts work for it. If he has to work through his reads to the 3rd and 4th options, he tends to take dumb sacks which likely has something to do with those lesser weapons not being anything special.

Limit the big plays. Make Hurts earn it. That’s the key IMO.

What I’m most interested in seeing is how Mitchell, Dejean and Baun perform. They have been amazing this season but two rookies and a guy who was a career backup/special teamer going against Mahomes and Andy Reid? If we play the way we want to, Andy and Kelce are going to have those dudes in a blender.

They have a lot of good players but not one player on that defense, even Carter, scares me as much as Von Miller, who was only 30 at the time.

The talent on that defense is much much worse than the previous SB. They had 4 “good” at worst pass rushers. Reddick was elite that year. They had 60 sacks total.

I do like Quinyon a ton and DeJean looks promising, but man that front 7 is not very good.

I think Mahomes is gonna have a lot of time to throw the ball

Slay kind of reminds me of Bashaud Breeland. He’s a crafty vet.

He will win some reps based on experience but I don’t think he has the speed to run with our young guys. If he finds himself lining up across from Worthy and Hollywood consistently, it’ll be a rough night for him.

Im hopeful their rookie DBs struggle like ours did in the first Super Bowl matchup between these teams.

That was a day to forget for McDuffie and company.

Oh no question.

It's far better than the Lions approach of beating the shit out of rummies only to step on your dicks in the post-season.

I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think they'll play their best ball of the season this weekend. And this is still an Eagles team that really could've lost to the Rams but/for the snow.

The Eagles CAN be beaten.

But we're gonna have to earn it. I think the best team emerged from the NFC and that's not always how it goes.

I think this Eagles team is better than the 2022 Eagles squad. The offense is almost entirely the same apart from Jurgens for Kelce (lateral move really) and Saquon for Sanders. I think the defense has gotten better with their additions at CB and Carter/Davis ascending and being even better than the 2022 versions of Hargrave/Cox.

And I thought that 2022 Eagles team was the best team we've played during this Mahomes run.

Has there been a single game this season where Patrick has had a TON of time to throw the ball?


I think we need to respect this eagles Defense and prepare for street fight. Fangio has always been tough, I know we alway beat him, but he was hired by the Eagles for one game and one game only - this game.

You'd think if they hired a DC for this specific matchup, they would have picked someone that wasn't 0-8 vs Mahomes.

Man I think you're WILDLY underestimating some of these guys. I think you're really hand-waiving the development from Smith and ESPECIALLY the contributions from Williams this year. I think you're gonna be shocked when someone gives him $17+ million/season this offseason.

Cox was very much on the decline at that point. They play more base 3-4 than that team did so a 1 for 1 review doesn't work terribly well, but a guy like Milton Williams is absolutely as good as Hargrave was that year, IMO. Nolan Smith has been improving all season and I think already has 4 sacks this post-season.

You can really only try to compare box 7s due to their formation changes but I think Carter, Davis, Smith, Williams, Baun, Sweat and Burks is absolutely comparable to Reddick, Hargrave, Cox, Sweat, Joseph, Edwards and Kyzir White.

And I think this defensive backfield is significantly better than the 2022 version.

Rule 12. Section 1 - Blocking, Use Of Hands And Arms

Article 4. Assisting The Runner And Interlocking Interference
No offensive player may:

C) push or throw his body against a teammate to aid him in an attempt to obstruct an opponent or to recover a loose ball.



Depending on what the rule means by "attempt to obstruct an opponent", wouldn't this mean the tush push is a penalty of aiding the runner? The enforcement of aiding the runner would be:

Penalty: For assisting the runner, interlocking interference, or illegal use of hands, arms, or body by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

Maybe I'm giving Baun too much credit because I liked him in the draft and thought the Saints were just kinda wasting him.

I mean I didn't see 1st Team All Pro coming, but I absolutely thought he'd develop into a quality NFL starting LBer.

So perhaps I should be discounting him more than I am based on a few years of mediocrity in NOLA, but I think he's a very talented player who's finally been allowed to demonstrate that in Philly.

Do I hear Patrick Mahomes vs. #1 Overall Defense?

These tend to be fun games.

The Chiefs biggest weakness this year was playing teams with great pass rushers like Houston and Denver. Philly is currently ranked 14th overall in sacks and does not have the pass rushing ability they had a few years ago. Mahomes SHOULD get tie in the pocket to throw the ball.

Remember when people were getting all over Kingsley bc Washington had a so called better LT from rd 3?

Yeah that guy isn’t very good and Jayden’s mobility really helped him. He was terrible vs the Eagles. smith just kept using speed and he couldn’t adjust.

Not trying to make light of him but Thuney is smarter and more technical than that guy. A one-dimensional speed rusher isn’t going to make Thuney look like Wanya.

Eagles do have more depth. They have more players in the green, but to me I think Carter and Quinyon are their only true star players that are force multipliers.

I think this is the worst DL we have played in the SB by a decent margin. Their LB’s are also either not good (Burks) or do not excel in coverage (Baun).

The Chiefs absolutely embarrassed Slay in the SB 2 years ago and he’s 34 now. Why are we scared of him? One of Hollywood and Worthy will be covered by him and I think that their speed will show.

Let’s not forget how god awful CJG has been with angles, missed tackles, errors in coverage. Fans ever hate him him and want him gone bc he just keeps make these same mistakes.

Idk man. I see mismatches everywhere in their front 7. Idk how they cover Kelce. Idk how they deal with speed from Worthy/Hollywood and I sure as hell don’t know how they’re gonna put a ton of pressure on Mahomes.

I think you’re right about the Buffalo comparison. Their defense is a lot like Buffalo’s and we just put 32 on them when we easily should have put at least 38 if not for the fumble and the Mahomes error sack against Milano.

Biggest key will be our run defense, but boy if we are able to go up multiple scores on these guys and force them to pass this game will get ugly for them

I say close game, probably decided by 3 points.

I hate to be reductive, but all the Chiefs do is play close games and keep games close all the way to the bitter end. We don't blow teams out, and we don't get blown out.

When you get teams that are this good I think the chances of a blowout on either side is like 10% while the chances of the game being decided by 7 points or less is the other 90%.

i am genuinely not concerned about us scoring points, mohomes and andy will take care of business.

our defense is what i am losing sleep over. you clearly HAVE to sellout to stop barkley, most likely through some iteration of single high. problem is that is going to leave us susceptible to getting thrown on and hurts job much easier.

brown is going to get 1 on 1s deep and godert/smith will be a headache. comes down to our secondary and just how much we can cheat to bottle barkley. is it mcduffie on smith and watson on brown? they probably can't afford to bracket brown... its all moot if the bad version of hurts shows up but i do not count on that happening given he played his best ball against us last time.

I know you already speculated about this, but I DO think you're giving Baun too much credit. He's been very good for them but is a LIABILITY in coverage. They miss Dean a lot there. The Chiefs exploited Burks in the Super Bowl last year. He can't handle Kelce-Mahomes.

On that front line, I think their DL and OLBs are good, but not AS good as they were two years ago. They sacked the QB 70 times in 2022... only 41 times this year. Just not the same type of pressure-creating unit. And actually, according to Pro Football Reference, literally DEAD last in the NFL in pressure percentage per dropback.

Some of that is Fangio's scheme, but still, that stands out.

I think you're also underrating that Eagles secondary. Bradberry was an All-Pro that year (second team). Slay was still a good leading corner and was a Pro Bowl pick. Avonte Maddox was injured a lot that season, but I thought he looked pretty good in that SB.

Yes, DeJean and Mitchell have been really good as rookies. But I don't think that unit is THAT much of an upgrade from 22.

The Chiefs' WR room is also quite a bit better.

In games I've watched the Eagles play, I didn't see them moving Carter around on the inside - he lined up exclusively over the RG against the Redskins.

If the Chiefs protect the ball, they can work the short- and intermediate-range of the field.

The same stuff that worked scheme wise against the Buffalo D in the passing game will work against Philly.

They just have more talented players than Buffalo on D.

So the guy who has replaced Dean for the Eagles is Burks? Word is he was the one who stepped in for the Niners in the superbowl when Greenlaw went down and Andy put him in a blender.

Another thing I want to look at is experience. As much as Dejean, Mitchell and Carter have been praised, they will be stepping onto a stage they've never been on before. Andy will see the tendencies and look to take advantage. A rookie doesn't know what they don't know.

It's a defense that also lacks speed too. Mitchell is OK but the rest? The have a thick front and Baun and Burks aren't burners. So qb runs and jet sweeps could be huge here. Lastly I think the middle of the field is the key spot. They simply cannot stop tightends and if they double Trav Juju could really go off again.

Other than Hurts is not Allen, not even close.

Boy - I'm not sure I see 'liability' at all w/r/t Baun in coverage.

Yes, I think Dean helped him a fair bit in that regard, but I don't even like calling Bolton a true liability in coverage and I think Baun is fair bit better than Bolton in space.

Maybe i should go back and refresh the ol' recollection a bit regarding the Eagles in 2022. Would be curious to try to hunt up that pre-SB thread from 2023 and see what it says.

I'm sure I had opinions. I almost always do. But Slay and Bradberry, to my recollection, both seemed like they were starting to age out a bit (and Bradberry especially).

Ultimately I just think they're really hard defenses to compare since they've undergone a pretty significant scheme shift. But I like the talent on this Eagles D.

Just looking at the Eagles schedule and who were the best defenses they faced? Rams, Steelers and Ravens? All of those defenses had issues throughout the season. Rams gave up 40 to Zona and Buffalo, Ravens was one of the worst defenses for a large portion of the season and the Steelers D broke down in the end.

We faced Texans twice, Denver twice, Chargers twice etc all top rated defenses.