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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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Sorry, JPB. Mowing the "yard"--biggie, such is life in the country--trumped all this afternoon.
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No worries. Life happens. I understand that. OTW just wanted to use it to twist things. That's the kind of asshole he seems to be.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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It's accepted by the vast majority of this board that Pioli glaringly underperformed in his first year on the job. Some have decided to provide him with an "evaluation year."
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It's a silly notion, regardless of whether the "vast majority" has come to that conclusion. I pointed out that this is what would quite possibly happen very early on in my tenure here. The problem is that you, as Chiefs fans, are so immersed in the team that you can't see just how much of a trainwreck you really had here. As bad as you thought it was, it was even worse when looking from the outside.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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I have not. I think that's a bullshit mulligan. We paid for the best, so I expect for him to live up to the hype.
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That's an even sillier notion. He came in late, had to use scouts who'd been looking for 4-3 prospects when he wanted to run a 3-4, got the late batch of coaching choices, was stuck with a pick that he didn't want and couldn't move, and had to get rid of shitheads like LJ. Frankly, if you want to find a place to kill Pioli, I'd start there. Keeping LJ when he had the chance to dump his ass for free was a huge mistake, and I stated my opinion to that effect at the time.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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As I've stated, I think the notion that the team he inherited was devoid of talent gets WAY overplayed on this site. It's simply not true. He had some very important pieces in place: LT, WR, DT, CB, RB (which was, admittedly, a bit of a surprise).
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It wasn't overplayed at all. Hell, even the positions your claiming were in place clearly demonstrated that they were not. The DT position, which was for a 4-3 as opposed to a 3-4, was a position of much struggle in 2008. How that's supposed to be "in place" is a mystery for the ages. As for WR, when the guy shows up 20+ pounds heavy, is lazy and gets suspended, I don't see how that's really fitting the notion of being in place.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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In short, he had a VERY young team, with significant resources devoted to a 43 scheme. Pioli scrapped the entire project. Fine. But he needed to be right.
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No such significant resources existed.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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After turning over a significant portion of the roster, he yielded surprisingly paltry results. Oh, meanwhile bringing in the albatross known as Matt Cassel.
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He doubled the win total after trading away the only known true "threat" the team had on offense and converting the defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4. That's only paltry if you're looking for reasons to complain. As for Cassel, I love how you all have thrown him away after a season in which the offense sucked like Mega Maid around him for much of the season.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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From where we were in Jan. '09, I think expecting to make a playoff run (note: just playoffs, not SB) in '11 would have been perfectly reasonable. And I'm holding to that position.
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I've already demonstrated how ridiculous your position is. Rehashing it will be a waste of time, because your argument isn't rational.
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz
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If you want to ride into town and prove to everyone how smart you are, talking big and instituting the secret society Midwest, that's fine. Just be right and get results. And I want to hold our GM to this standard.
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Yes, you want to hold your GM to a standard that hasn't been met in over a decade, and to call anything less incompetence. That's ridiculous on your part. Now, suddenly, you're downgrading to "playoffs", after you used to make fun of those who'd have been happy with 8-8 or first round of the playoffs. That should make you re-think your positions, but it probably won't.