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Thoughts on Preseason Game #2 (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=262553)

WTH? You guys are starting with trolling crap again? I love Moeaki. He's an OK pass blocker but, to say he is dominant is a mistake. Also, it was just the St. Louis game he struggled in. It was also Arizona. We will run the two TE set quite a bit and Moeaki will be the #2. Boss is a better all around player. Moeaki might be a better receiver but that's about it.

Pretty funny that the Star article today is about Boss and how he will be a big part of the offense.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=262744

Damn guys, read what I said. I'm not throwing Moeaki under the bus you bunch of homers. I am just saying it like it is.

Tony Moeaki is getting beaten out for his job by Kevin Boss in this training camp.

When we line up in the regular I-Form offense, Boss will be the lone TE more often than not. I'm sorry if you don't see it.

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8839399)

Actually watch frame by frame of the replay from behind the play. At first I thought Johnson had his arm around Coppers waist, which is PI, but he actually has Coppers left elbow it seems, pinning his left arm to his body. If he doesn't get his arm around Copper, he'd never be able to put himself into position to bat the ball.

The problem was that he stared Copper down the entire play and then threw it to him even though he was double covered. Pass interference etc. is irrelevant. Stanzi porked it.

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8843855)

The problem was that he stared Copper down the entire play and then threw it to him even though he was double covered. Pass interference etc. is irrelevant. Stanzi porked it.

JFC there are gifs and screenshots in this thread that prove this to be dead wrong.

At minimum, copper is the second read...its debatable that copper is the third read.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8844009)

JFC there are gifs and screenshots in this thread that prove this to be dead wrong.

At minimum, copper is the second read...its debatable that copper is the third read.

Show me. He may be the second read but he never looks elsewhere and he's double covered.

http://i.imgur.com/nqlvd.gif

Look at him stare copper down. It's a five step drop. By the second step he is looking at Copper. The other thing is that he looked off Maneri because he was covered. However, when he stared down Copper, that LB followed his eyes all the way to Copper and he was the second guy in coverage. They had him double covered because the LBer read his eyes. Arguing that that he didn't stare him down is stupid. There is really no argument. The LBer was Rocky McIntosh, a former starter for Washington. He knew what he was doing. You are just whining because I am calling out dudes that played at Iowa.

I was on vacation when the game was played and was just able to finish watching the rerun on NFL. There was nothing to like about that game. It should have been a bigger blowout. Too many turnovers. Not much offense. Gaping holes in the defense. Going forward this team is going to have big headaches when other teams pass against our base defense. Seems were always one injury away from the secondary being horrid. The defense is soft. It could be a long year.

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8844583)

ROFL

You guys' posts from preseason are GOLD every year.

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8844202)

You don't know what you're talking about.

He read Maneris route till he knew he couldn't get the ball to him and the moment he looked over to Copper, the ball came out.

The linebacker was at least 3 yards away from the slant by the time the ball got there.

I even posted a still shot of the moment the ball arrived to show exactly that.

The linebacker didnt come off his coverage of Maneri till Stanzi started his throwing motion to Copper.

Once again...

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GIF'D UP: Chiefs vs Rams (Part 2)

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/profile_ima...4/woo_tiny.jpg by Clay Wendler on Aug 22, 2012 6:39 PM CDT

Yesterday we got a nice look at Dontari Poe's improvement in the second week of preseason. Tonight we'll take a light gander at the other side of the ball.
We've got a little Jamaal Charles, a little dubious blocking and I guess a Cassel GIF snuck in there. Did I do that?
Hit the jump and prepare for a tidal wave of Cassel discussion.

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So how is that knee holding up for Jamaal Charles? Well, put pretty simple, he had five touches against the Rams and made at least four defenders miss a tackle. That's a fairly good touch-to-miss ratio, I guess.

In the first GIF, there's some pretty bad blocking going on but Charles just kinda laughs at the linebackers before Steve Breaston tackles him. Last year this play goes for a loss if Dexter McCluster or Thomas Jones are carrying the ball.

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In the next GIF, Charles plants and cuts very nicely. That knee looks great to me. Breaston is screwing up the play again with a poor block. I'll be honest, Breaston is doing more to tackle Charles on these plays than any Ram.

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Last but not least, on this snap Matt Cassel throws the ball a full five yards behind the line of scrimmage, with a defender hurtling right at Charles. I could talk about how much I dislike this throw but it really doesn't matter because Charles just doesn't care about that linebacker whatsoever. The fact that he gets plowed by three defenders and hopped right up was a good sign, too.

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Now we're going to switch gears and look at a couple of plays that didn't go so well. BJ Kissel pointed this out to me the other night. On this snap, there's a pretty enormous hole between LG and LT. If Peyton Hillis sees it instead of following Shane Bannon, it's at least a sizable gain and maybe a touchdown.

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You can see in this still of an alternate angle how much space there was to run. The only guy with a shot at the tackle was the free safety (out of shot), as Jon Baldwin and Tony Moeaki laid blocks.

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And speaking of Bannon, I could not let this week pass without pointing out two of the worst blitz pickups I've ever seen from a Kansas City Chiefs fullback. First, Bannon gets Cassel sacked.

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Next, Nate Eachus gets credited with 1/2 sack of Ricky Stanzi. Please note that the GIF is slowed down. Stanzi didn't have much time to throw at all. I'm also pretty sure you're not allowed to slap the quarterback in the head like that, but replacement refs are fun, right?

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OK, so we all know the real reason why you clicked on this post...yes, it was the promise of a Cassel GIF. I know you're saying "Clay, come on man. Cassel was hitting checkdowns with perfect accuracy in this game, how can you possibly criticize him?" Well, when I see plays like this one, I can't resist, so brace yourself.

I think the captions do a good job of explaining the play, but basically Cassel abandons a fairly secure pocket for no good reason, ignores Dexter McCluster flashing WIDE OPEN right in front of his face, and gains a couple of yards on a scramble. Branden Albert was actually flagged for a penalty on this play, so I'm probably going to get it good for posting this, but I've literally never seen a quarterback miss an open receiver running behind the line of scrimmage right in front of his face. I'm horrified, and definitely overreacting, but haters gonna hate. Make your defense in the comments.

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And I should probably add that I think Matt could have thrown the ball to Baldwin or Moeaki (both far left of the screenshot below) before he decided to run from phantom pressure. I dunno, maybe Matt doesn't have the confidence in his arm to make that throw. Maybe a safety scared him off. I think if Matt anticipates Baldwin running into that hole he can hit him.

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But you can clearly see the giant space McCluster is running into.
Come on, Matt. You totally should have made this throw that would not have counted anyway!

That's it for this week's GIF'D UP. Next week Bowe might drop a pass!

Here are stills of the three places he looks before he throws the ball.

Gimme a second and Ill post the ball placement still, again.

Anybody that has a problem where this ball is thrown is just being a nitpicking bitch.

The placement is damn near perfect.

The pick was a fluke and anyone saying otherwise is just being a hater.

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8845309)

Once again...

Where's it at? The play we are talking about isn't there.

Boss, the you see the gras ass greener and I see it as dead. The LBer was 3 yards from Copper primed to lay the wood. Stanzi hung out to dry. Furthermore, the pass was so bad that it could have been picked and that's why it was knocked away by Copper. The fact is that Stanzi misjudged the speed of Rocky MacIntosh. He is struggling to catch up to the speed of the game. I'm sorry but he ****ing suck ass last week and he has no future. You can what you want but I see it and I am sure the front office sees it. How many more shots will he get to show something? This week will be his seventh.

Here are stills of the uncalled facemask on the 4th down play where Stanzi fumbled, too.

Should have given us a first down inside the red zone, but...again, replacement refs apparently only have one eye each.

The defender even had BOTH hands in the facemask and still the refs missed the call.

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8845337)

****ing buffoon.

Are you trying to tell me THIS is a poorly placed pass for a slant route?

If so, just stop posting here altogether.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8845342)

To be fair, he escaped that, turned all the way around, and then just dropped the ball.

That can't happen, facemask or no.