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RunKC 01-04-2024 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318144)
If you go big at WR in FA, you don't need to take one early in the draft. You've got Rice and said player, then the current group coming back can fill in. Add another one in the mid rounds if you want.

I'd still add a WR in the draft in the first 2 rds as well as a proven RB in FA to replace McKinnon. Not sure why you wouldn't load up when your star TE is nearing the end.

Do anything to not fully rely on Kelce next year.

O.city 01-04-2024 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17318172)
I wouldn't call a $15 million/yr contract and a 1st/2nd rd pick going overboard. We're not spending jack shit at WR once MVS is released. Also, considering Kelce is likely done soon that's an extra $15-20 million not being spent on an offensive weapon.

Look at the recent mock drafts posted by Crow and Duncan in the draft forum. Both have us getting Brown in FA as well as a WR in the 1st or 2nd and still show KC addressing other areas adequately. I think those are very realistic scenarios.

As much as people are gonna hate it, they've still got a 2nd round WR and a 1st round WR they traded for under contract who will be back.

If you sign and draft a guy, you're WR room is essentially going to be made up of 1/2 round draft picks and a highly paid FA. If that's what it takes to build a room, our scouts and such all need fired.

O.city 01-04-2024 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17318174)
I'd still add a WR in the draft in the first 2 rds as well as a proven RB in FA to replace McKinnon. Not sure why you wouldn't load up when your star TE is nearing the end.

Do anything to not fully rely on Kelce next year.

I don't wanna go over board on this when this current season is more outlier than anything.

They still need to build some kind of DL and let the WR group stabilize itself with some additions.

BleedingRed 01-04-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318176)
As much as people are gonna hate it, they've still got a 2nd round WR and a 1st round WR they traded for under contract who will be back.

If you sign and draft a guy, you're WR room is essentially going to be made up of 1/2 round draft picks and a highly paid FA. If that's what it takes to build a room, our scouts and such all need fired.

I'm going to pretend you didn't type this

OKchiefs 01-04-2024 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318176)
As much as people are gonna hate it, they've still got a 2nd round WR and a 1st round WR they traded for under contract who will be back.

If you sign and draft a guy, you're WR room is essentially going to be made up of 1/2 round draft picks and a highly paid FA. If that's what it takes to build a room, our scouts and such all need fired.

And those WRs have already proven over multiple seasons that they cannot be trusted in any sort of significant role. They are sunk costs, you don't make personnel decisions based on their draft status when they've already proven to be busts who will not come close to living to their draft status.

And yeah, I personally would probably question the job security of some of our scouts based on the work that has been done at WR. But what's done is done, don't fail to adequately address WR simply because of past moves you've made that haven't worked.

RunKC 01-04-2024 10:49 AM

Well they just spent back-to-back 1st rd picks on the DL and added Omenihu as well as a developmental guy in Thompson. That feels a lot like overcompensating at one position to me.

It all depends on what happens with Sneed and Chris. If they tag Sneed and let Chris walk then I could see them using that first rd pick to move up for a WR, LT or pass rushing DT.

There's a lot to get through the next few months

duncan_idaho 01-04-2024 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318163)
Brown was on pace for that when?

You're excusing away alot here it seems.

2022.

Weeks 1-6 (with Murray), then hurt, then Week 12 (with Murray)
531 yards on 49 catches for 3 TDs (I did the math on the TD pacing wrong - based it on 4/7 games instead of 3/7).

Week 13, Murray gets hurt against the Patriots and misses the rest of the season. Whole team tanks to shit.

I'm not excusing it, I'm saying the statement of "hasn't done shit in 2 years" doesn't completely apply.

In 2023, the season started with Murray on the shelf, recovering from that injury, and a revolving door of shit at QB, and he still was pacing for 800 yards.

MahomesMagic 01-04-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17318183)
And those WRs have already proven over multiple seasons that they cannot be trusted in any sort of significant role. They are sunk costs, you don't make personnel decisions based on their draft status when they've already proven to be busts who will not come close to living to their draft status.

And yeah, I personally would probably question the job security of some of our scouts based on the work that has been done at WR. But what's done is done, don't fail to adequately address WR simply because of past moves you've made that haven't worked.

That's the scary part.

It's not making a bad pick at WR, every team will miss on those.

It's insisting the guy who sucks that you drafted is good despite the fact that you can SEE him every day in practice.

Megatron96 01-04-2024 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318179)
I don't wanna go over board on this when this current season is more outlier than anything.

They still need to build some kind of DL and let the WR group stabilize itself with some additions.


This season isn’t an outlier; it’s a trend. WR numbers have been declining since 2021, with WRs scoring down 50%, chunk plays by WRs have fallen off a cliff, success rates are well below average, etc.


However, I agree that Veach won’t overhaul the room. Can’t really. So Toney, Skyy, and probably JWat will return for 2024, leaving just 2 maybe 3 spots left. And that’s if he doesn’t bring back James, which could happen.

My fear is that he’ll think this season was just a fluke, and not address the issue properly; and then we’ll have to watch yet another season of inconsistent incompetence, and waste what will likely be Travis’ final season.

MahomesMagic 01-04-2024 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318100)
They'll trade him this offseason. They need to go add more on defense after this season.

Ok, if you say so.

They have Bosa, Hargrave, Armstead, Chase Young, Warner, etc and they NEED defense?!


They pushed all their chips in and have one more year. Timeline doesn't match up with giving away a top weapon for Purdy when he is cheap.

O.city 01-04-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17318193)
This season isn’t an outlier; it’s a trend. WR numbers have been declining since 2021, with WRs scoring down 50%, chunk plays by WRs have fallen off a cliff, success rates are well below average, etc.


However, I agree that Veach won’t overhaul the room. Can’t really. So Toney, Skyy, and probably JWat will return for 2024, leaving just 2 maybe 3 spots left. And that’s if he doesn’t bring back James, which could happen.

My fear is that he’ll think this season was just a fluke, and not address the issue properly; and then we’ll have to watch yet another season of inconsistent incompetence, and waste what will likely be Travis’ final season.

Well, yeah, they traded away a HOF'er.

I was talking more about the absolute shit show of this year repeating itself. I'd say everyone agrees they aren't gonna be THIS bad again.

Rice is a nice add, they need one more top end guy. The rest can be filled easier.

duncan_idaho 01-04-2024 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17318169)
Hollywood also hasn't played a full season in three years.

In addition to the other issues.

No thanks at that price tag.

He was durable in Baltimore. 16/17 in 21, 18/18 in 20, and 15/17 in 19. He was not durable playing on the turf monster piece of shit field in Arizona (hamstring and foot injuries).

The injury question is a better one, IMO, than whether he still has attractive skills, but I have a hard time slapping anyone who was healthy BEFORE playing home games at Arizona and less healthy AFTER as injury prone.

O.city 01-04-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17318198)
Ok, if you say so.

They have Bosa, Hargrave, Armstead, Chase Young, Warner, etc and they NEED defense?!


They pushed all their chips in and have one more year. Timeline doesn't match up with giving away a top weapon for Purdy when he is cheap.

He's not cheap next year and they only have 1 million dollars in cap space. Plus next year is when they have the most leverage to get back the most return on a trade for him.

They won't have Chase Young next year. Armstead is a cut candidate and they don't have much at CB/S/DE behind those guys.

Dunerdr 01-04-2024 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17318203)
He was durable in Baltimore. 16/17 in 21, 18/18 in 20, and 15/17 in 19. He was not durable playing on the turf monster piece of shit field in Arizona (hamstring and foot injuries).

The injury question is a better one, IMO, than whether he still has attractive skills, but I have a hard time slapping anyone who was healthy BEFORE playing home games at Arizona and less healthy AFTER as injury prone.

Man, I had not even thought of that. RIP soft tissue.

OKchiefs 01-04-2024 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17318202)
Well, yeah, they traded away a HOF'er.

I was talking more about the absolute shit show of this year repeating itself. I'd say everyone agrees they aren't gonna be THIS bad again.

Rice is a nice add, they need one more top end guy. The rest can be filled easier.

But getting one more "top end" guy isn't a guarantee. If KC was able to trade for Aiyuk in a trade or Pittman in FA then sure, I'd be fine with waiting until later in the draft because we know that guy is a stud.

But both of those seem unlikely. Guys like Brown/Ridley/Mooney all have their limitations, so I wouldn't call any of them a "top end" guy. They all still would be an improvement from this season, but not enough IMO. That's why you also still need a 1st/2nd in the draft to give multiple shots at the position and improve depth.


So if KC is somehow able to trade for Aiyuk, then by all means don't spend too much more at the position. But I don't see that as a possibility, so they probably have to go about it a different way.


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