.

Mike Danna had a wide open path to Burrow and decided to stop for some reason.

The DL played like ass all day. They got punked by a mediocre OL.

bad chiefs defense used to mean giving up 40

now we're whining about 27 points allowed on a team's home field being -1 in turnovers

Amazes me people are defending the performance of the D after today

Yeah but somehow if he tackles his ass, I have no doubts he'd get called for roughing the passer

The D just can't seem to make a stop against Burrow or Allen with the game on the line. That is going to be a problem in the playoffs.
Spags is just riding Mahomes and Kelce. You have guys like Evero coming out of nowhere in a dogshit situation in Denver. But Spags is here for so long, yet can't be relied on.

How many punts did they have?

Spags isn’t it, I don’t care how much we argue. Our talent and investment on defense needs to yield better results than this.

Spags Defense is the equivalent of an offense that score 22 a game…. It’s not good enough.

how many points sans kelce's fumble did they have?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m ****ing real <a href="https://t.co/hAo9iLs0wz">pic.twitter.com/hAo9iLs0wz</a></p>&mdash; Clubber’s Wang (@****LinElliot) <a href="https://twitter.com/****LinElliot/status/1599560162976546821?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If Danna just keeps running, he probably at least disrupts that throw. An incomplete pass would’ve been perfect.

One punt. And the stop Dunlap got on 4th and 1 down in the red zone. Thats it.

an awful , awful day.

only the heroic play by Dunlap, the bad decision by Cinci to not take 3 points, a dropped easy touchdown, and the fact they easily ran the clock without needing to score prevented them.from dropping 44 on us

100%

rep

We have the players and talent . We need more results

The Spags ball washing just baffles me.

If this defense played the exact same game, every single play with the exact same outcome, but the DC was Bob Sutton or Greg Robinson, people would want to burn them at the stake.

But, because Spags was the DC when Mahomes willed us to a SB victory, people act like he can do no wrong, and the poor performances are because of the players.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk

it should've been 44 though. it wasn't the defense that stopped those 17 additional points. sadly. they absolutely should've dropped 40 in this game. against the Bills or Eagles those 17 are getting scored

Been saying this since the AFCCG last season…

Need to fire Spags.

He’s always been a subpar DC, always gets ****in schooled by QBs that are worth a shit.

Cincy owns his ****in ass.

Is it your sense that 27 pts was the extent of their capability today?

Here’s the thing, guys.

I don’t think Spags is perfect, far from it, actually. But he’s Andy’s guy, and a guy Andy trusts on defense. This amount of faith is what he’s put into DC’s, for better or worse, for his entire career.

Today, Spags got our offense the ball up 4 in the 4th quarter. With how our team is constructed, that is a game we have to win.

Look, it’s a fruitless exercise to blame the DC’s who haven’t been able to stop Patrick Mahomes, and I think it’s just as fruitless to blame him for not stopping Burrow. It’s time to acknowledge that Burrow is elite, and letting him have the ball back with anything less than a deficit in the 4th is going to result in a loss nearly 100% of the time.

spags has given up 27 points in two straight games against an elite offense, in which his offense handed them short fields twice

he's working miracles with lackluster talent on the DL and inexperienced talent on the back end.

Lackluster talent on the roster is partially his fault. Spags was happy to get Frank Clark for instance. Reid & Veach have given Spags a lot of input on the defensive roster the last few years. All 3 of them have not been able to find the right guys for the defensive line.

Not my question

my feeling is their capability was 20 points, as proven by our defense

It took Spags almost half a season to realize Jones wasn’t a DE.

This mother****er started Sorensen over Thornhill for how long?

Still hasn’t leaned not to single cover Chase. I expect it’ll be the same should the Chiefs meet Bengals again in playoffs.

He’s just a stubborn pos, should’ve been fired after last yr AFCCG

Jones has lined up at DE several times this year and has had some of his most important sacks from that spot.

jones played well at DE tonight

in fact, it was key in getting SOME pressure on burrow, since jones gets doubled on the interior so much

that's actually looking like one of spags better decisions

Offense lost this one at the end. Last 2 possessions were a Kelce fumble and a FG miss.

The offense shit the bed as much as the defense

CIN's D was one late TO better than our D. I guarantee no CIN fan is calling for their DC's head.

Their D was no better.

Tough not to “what if” Spags had been sent packing and Reid could have hired Fangio.

he got outsmarted by the Bengals offensive plan...again. He coached like it was Chase torching them last year and didn't rely on his improved secondary like he should have. If he did he would have used more blitzing and as it were. Burrows was 6/7 when they did. There has been so little creativity in disguising his defenses this season and the defensive line seems content to just rush straight forward come hill or high water with no stunting or ability to free up lineman to put pressure on QB's unless they blitz.

We should run the same defense the Bengals run against us.

Need a better DL & Secondary though.

Well I mean we don't get pressure anyway so I'd rather put one more guy in coverage

Unfortunately their coach is quite content running the ball and playing the short game when given the opportunity.

I don't know that it was the exact same defense but Spags did try to adjust in the 2nd half and played more zone. They absolutely shredded the zone though and when we played soft Burrow just hit the underneath guys every time and chewed us up.

Spags is taking a lot of heat but honestly he threw the whole book at them today and not much really worked. Played aggressive, played man, played zone, played soft, blitzed. Whatever we did they adjusted to find the weakness.

We need a better DC. Spags can GTFO and he can take Merritt and D'Alesio with him.



Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk

Few weeks ago I said I was surprised by how bad their defensive numbers and rankings were compared to eye test. Today that eye test matches the numbers.

Covering the RB out of the backfield could have been tried a LOT more. Also, other teams beat the Bengals rushing 4. We can't. That is obvious. If we are able to, that changes everything.

You think that magically improves the front four?

If you can't get consistent pressure with four, the elite QB's will find a way to make plays. It's that simple.

In the first half, we tried variations of cover 2, and quarters. They picked apart the zones.

In the second, we went to more man, and the results were better, but still not good enough-because we couldn't get home with four.

I don't know what you guys think Spags was supposed to do exactly.

You DO understand that Burrow, Chase, Higgins, and Boyd put up numbers against almost everyone right? Even teams that can get pressure with four, but especially those who do not.

Players need to make plays.

At some point your DEs have to beat their tackles and get to the QB at a critical point in the game. At some point your LBs and safeties have to make a tackle at point of impact and not allow the RB 6 yards after contact.

I believe Spags contract is up after the season. Vic produces a top five defense where ever he goes. If the Chiefs want to be Truly dominant and feared, he’s the guy IMO.

Does prime Khalil Mack, Von Miller, or healthy Bradley Chubb come with him?

Fangio would be amazing. But until spags blows a playoff game, it’s unfair to toss him aside. The offense has lost us our 2 playoff games under spags, not the defense. Our Defense has actually been pretty decent in the playoffs.

I 100% think we hold back in games like this and save the good stuff for the playoffs.

Spags literally threw everything but the kitchen sink at Burrow; but the bottom line is you have to be able to get consistent pressure with your front four or he'll eat you alive.

I don't know what you guys think he could've done differently. SHUTE DOWN CHASE! Yeah, good luck with that-especially when the refs allow Chase to push off every play.

You guys are showing your ignorance. We've got Jones, a rookie, and mostly nothing at DL. That's the problem.

I'm not sure we held anything back against the Bengals, we wanted that one badly and should have.

And the secondary isn’t good enough. Some of that is youth with rookies, but veterans like Reid & Thornhill struggle as well. Bad combination across the board.

If you can't pressure Burrow with four, he's going to make you look bad, period.

It's really that simple.

Players have to make plays, and our front four can't. They doubled Jones and nobody else could win 1 on 1.

There’s clearly someone to blame. If you put the blame on Veach for doing a shit job at building the lines people will continue to deflect.

Reid and Thornhill have been utter garbage all season. Our safety play has me yearning for the days of HB and Dirty Dan.

Hell, Dan had a lot of problems but at least he made some big goddamn plays once in a while. Reid and Juan have been invisible, aside from when they're getting worked by someone, which is quite often.

Pretty impressive work by Spags considering Chris Jones decided to take the day off.

Their best showed up. Ours didn’t

Dude.

Coach Reid and Spags both have input with Veach. All 3 of them thought Frank Clark was a good move. They also have not found strong pass rushers in the Draft the last few years, which isn’t surprising when they are drafting at the end of each round.

The Chiefs biggest challenge will always be teams with QB’s on rookie contracts.

No they don't. Would be stupid too.

We’ll see about that. KC had a garbage defense even with Mahomes on his rookie deal. Other front offices do a better job building the defensive side of the ball.

Big part of the difference is Cincy and Buffalo got Hendrickson and Miller at DE, we got Clark. Complete failure in that one aspect. A single pass rusher as good as one of those two makes a night and day difference on defense. Unfortunately I have zero faith in them finding one. Karlaftis will probably top out as a 7-8 sack a year kind of player. Fine for a #2 strongside DE type, but they need their #1 DE.

I really thought we’d be better than this because we wouldn’t be giving so many snaps to nieman, sorensen and hitchens.

Justin Reid has been a big disappointment

Reid doesn't tackle worth a shit.

People love some bottom or middle of the pack defense on here. Believe me, your not going to see opposing quarterbacks throwing I-pads or Google pads on the sidelines out of frustration from Spags defense. He’s not fooling anyone or especially the Bengals with his concepts. Dude was unemployed for a reason when we picked him up.

We only have two sure tackles in our back 7... Bolton and Sneed. Everyone else is hit or miss.

Thornhill and Reid were missing tackles yesterday at a ridiculous level.

Yeah this isn’t coaching. This is the players fault. Literally being put in position to make plays and just being a gigantic pussy

Blocked by a ****in TE LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Bengals have been so diverse/creative in the run game lately!! <br><br>Wham/trap concept has the LBs moving with the guards opposite of the RB alignment to create better angles at the second level and Sam Perine hits the hole opposite of flow. <a href="https://t.co/RypXkDPLQX">pic.twitter.com/RypXkDPLQX</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1599954377036664832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Getting demolished up front. Wtf is Bolton doing waiting for contact? ****ing attack!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look at the movement the RG and RT get on this double team. My goodness. <a href="https://t.co/lpaRSXGPEw">pic.twitter.com/lpaRSXGPEw</a></p>&mdash; Robert Mays (@robertmays) <a href="https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/1599592674100580353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What the **** is he doing?!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch Nick Bolton <a href="https://t.co/JcBcBV2Igb">pic.twitter.com/JcBcBV2Igb</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1599949511790452738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The pussy just stops bc he’s terrified even though the defense was set up perfectly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Ja&#39;Marr Chase difference. <a href="https://twitter.com/Real10jayy__?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Real10jayy__</a><br><br>📺: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCvsCIN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KCvsCIN</a> on CBS<br>📱: Stream on NFL+ <a href="https://t.co/KRUwj1CkWe">https://t.co/KRUwj1CkWe</a> <a href="https://t.co/30wfEzzUOM">pic.twitter.com/30wfEzzUOM</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1599558027660603393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh and my favorite.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Perine dribbles Justin Reid like a basketball <a href="https://t.co/MaFT6H1IQc">pic.twitter.com/MaFT6H1IQc</a></p>&mdash; Tino Bovenzi (@TinoBovenzi) <a href="https://twitter.com/TinoBovenzi/status/1599532272624881664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Our defense was composed of a bunch of scared labia’s in this game. FFS

I'm ready to get rid of Chris Jones. Take whatever money you were going to pay him and get the best DE you can and then get some average interior guys.

The last time Veach got his guy at DE it was Frank Clark.

Surprised by Bolton though. Usually he is a beast.

I wonder what we could trade Jones for? Let him work out a deal with a new team that he wants to go to, like Hill did. He wants a new deal so he'd be motivated to work something out.

Otherwise let him play another contract year - which seems to motivate him. Then I guess you have to let him walk.

So, we just give up and don't try again

Bolton usually plays downhill, attacking. He was passive yesterday. I’m not sure why.

No. But it illustrates the risk of literally giving up our best defensive player with no clear alternative to fall back on.

Jones was instrumental in several of our one possession wins this year. Replace him with a DE who underperforms for a 100m salary and we'll see what a truly bad defense is like.

Spags is a tough to access because on the one hand he's a DC who has won two superbowls and he hasn't had the greatest collection of talent in KC to work with. But on the other hand his defenses perform in spurts. They'll have a purple patch every year where they look decent but against top oppostion reality sets in. With the coming schedule the defense should be looking to finish strong and get a top 15 ranking and around 19-20 ppg given up. But everything will come down to the playoffs and how Spags performs. We reach another SB he won't be in danger..but if the defense fails then Andy and Veach would be a foolish if they didn't consider getting Fangio and pouring tons of assets into finally building a top defense for Pat.

I'm more concerned about our left and right Tackles right now than our defense and I like Spags. We do need a DE but I'd prioritize protecting our Franchize we can always win in shootouts. Our secondary should start taking the ball away giving us extra drives. We need to force more turnovers.

Exactly. Protect the Franchise.

Yep...Thornhill and Reid miss a lot of tackles all the time. Especially Reid.

Can't wait for Cook to get more playing time and less Thornhill. Donks game would be perfect to play more Cook.

Mcduffie basically shut Jamaar Chase down all game long so what does Spags do?? He leaves him one on one with Williams. I don’t get it… Bolton played passive as well. Las year it was Mahomes turning into somebody we’ve never seen before now it’s Bolton??

I don't think we flip sides with the corners. I expect that is because they're rookies and it's easier to get accustomed to one set of movements.

With the salary cap I would focus on maintaining unstoppable offense.

Get 2 very good pass-rushers, 1 top corner and 1 top safety on D and fill in the rest as cheaply as possible.

Okay, look, I usually don't **** around with bashing our coordinators because I know how hard of a job it is...

BUT WHAT THE ****ING **** WAS THAT ****ING BULLSHIT, STEVE?

20 YARD CUSHIONS ON THEIR ****ING WRS????

YOU NEED TO BE SLAPPED WITH A ****ING COCK

I'm done with him, he ****ing sucks

oh come on now. Rookie CBs could not be to blame at all. That 2cd TD to a wide open WR was on McDuffie 100%.