I've never understood the fetish to trade good players for potential. Most times it doesn't work out.

I think the 2 guys we just drafted in the 1st have #1 or #2 upside.

It used to work but teams over value prospects these days..much like several posters.

Yes, until our system ruins them lol. I honestly forgot all about them when writing the post.

I think half of our top 10-12 prospects are arms.. so let's hope a few pan out.

This team will trade Matt Stairs before they trade Salvador Perez, and Matt Stairs hasn’t played for the Royals in 12 years.

The ship has sailed on trading Duffy anytime soon after this abortion of a season from him. The time to trade him was last offseason. He's going to have to pull his head out of his ass to have any value next trade deadline or in the following offseason. As it is he's way too inconsistent and unpredictable to fetch much at his salary.

It's pretty simple. He'll be around 34 and a free agent by the time we're competitive again. Oh, and he's blocking Nicky Lopez. Rentals get almost nothing in return nowadays, so the only way to get anything significant in a trade is to trade someone affordable with remaining team control. Just about every other team in the league would trade such a player if they were 4-5 years away from competing. Failing to do so would be like trying to reinvent the wheel. Without significant trades we are relying on building the future solely through the draft. The last worthwhile international signing was probably Mondesi in 2011. Most of our other IFA signings have been failures, and we've done almost nothing the last 3 years after blowing our load on Matias. So again I question, how are we building a winning team faster than the last 7-8 year rebuild without making significant trades?

The only change has been the return for rentals. Players with remaining control are still fetching decent returns.

Kendrys set Jays record 7 straight with a Hr

1 off MLB record by Mattingly, Griffey, Long

Obviously control matters. Still doesn't bring back what it used to. See Dee Brown trade.

This is what I'm talking about.

If you really truly believe what you're writing, then they really are doing it all wrong. They might as well trade everyone, including the top prospects in the minors. Being 7-8 years away literally means that the next core group of guys like Lee, Lopez, Mondesi, Pratto, are all pretty much going to be on the way out by then. You are arguing about Whit, but really what you are arguing with this is that they should trade anything of value in the system to build a core of players who will arrive to the majors somewhere around 2024.

Keep Salvy, Whitley, Mondesi...strength up the middle is key. Build around them. Find a CFer. Develop pitching.

Dee Brown? Man, he's old, was never any good, and hasn't played in a decade.

Dee Gordon? He had 97 OPS+ last year (and a 77 OPS+ the prior) before being traded. Also, his contract guaranteed him $37 million over the three remaining years.

Whit would fetch more...

:)

LMAO My bad.

I was trying to find a comparison to what would be a Whit trade. Gordon was the best I could think of even given the significant differences.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On Royals prospect Daniel Lynch: “We’d see him pitch in college (and he’d be) 91 to 93 mph. He’s had nights (in pro ball) where he’s been 95 to 97 (mph) ... if he was throwing this way in May, he would have never gotten to the 18th pick.” <a href="https://t.co/nmiHqlExZa">https://t.co/nmiHqlExZa</a></p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/1034090493444071424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Royals won a series against a playoff contender for the first time in three months. Ryan O’Hearn is hitting homers. Brad Keller is pitching well. What young players could be next in September? <a href="https://t.co/t0RGacuSps">https://t.co/t0RGacuSps</a></p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/1034080619540688896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Wasnt Lynch considered a money saving pick?

Lynch wasn’t a pure money pick. He wasn’t an overslot guy, but several places had him as a comp round guy.

Re: Merrifield and Soler, neither one has to be move for a deal that isn’t prime. They can hold out a little on both and make sure they get great value.

Soler is arb eligible in 2020 at best (for him), which means they still control him through 2022 or 2023. The deal he signed with the Cubs expires in 2020, but that doesn’t negate the years of team control or service rules.

They should trade them if they get the right type of return. If they don’t, hold them a while longer and wait for the right situation to pop up in front of you.

Also: the Royals just signed another international FA, Dutch kid named Darryl Collins and playing in Curaçao.

They also announced the signing of a South Korean teenager who was clocked / supposedly - at 95 mph.

They’ve made some outside-the-box moves in IFA. Like seeing the flexibility of thought!

Soler can opt out when he becomes arb eligible.

He can opt out of the guaranteed deal to choose salary arbitration, per the original deal as reported by Ken Rosenthal.

Doesn’t mean he can opt into FA. Just out of the guaranteed salary if he thinks he will earn more in arb.

That's not entirely accurate.

He didn't have the Cespedes provision put in his contract that says he cannot be offered arb. He had the reverse done; he can opt out of his guaranteed contract and thus opt in to arbitration.

He can't force FA any sooner. Technically Cespedes didn't either - he just included language in his deal that said his team at the time could not offer him arb, thus making him effectively a non-tender.

Soler doesn't have that provision. He'd still be under Royal control until he gets his 6 years of MLB service time, he just gets his money through arbitration rather than the terms of his long-term deal.

Is anyone paying attention if the Orioles are doing stuff like bunting in the first inning, or making a lot of unforced errors? I mean they have to be actively trying to tank right?

Things can turn around quickly. We play in a garbage division which really helps , that's one. I'm looking FW to the three 1st roun pitchers we took. What if we made some great picks? A good rotation, that's cheap, puts you back in the game awfully quickly

Thanks for the clarification on Soler, I had no idea.

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^^^

got us a world series win. would do it all over again.

Manaea’s injury tendencies were the big factor in the Royals being OK with moving on from him while holding others.

Not sure he’ll ever be a durable MLB starter, but he’s damn good when available.

Speaking of former Royals pitchers I looked up Miguel Almonte the other day and he has a legit 9 ERA in AAA. Yikes. That guy had unbelievable stuff but he's never figured it out.

A complete game for Junis tonight.

Junis pitched a nice CG tonight with zero walks and two runs against the Tigers.

Go out on a limb there

Royals fans are so weird when it comes to attributing certain players to us winning the World Series. “If we didn’t have this one career bum who drew a walk in the 7th inning of the wildcard game, we wouldn’t have taken home the gold! As if not having mega bust Christian Colon on the roster would have meant we wouldn’t have a ring.

This is not totally inaccurate, however the timing is odd since the discussion here recently is on Manaea who was traded for Ben Zobrist.

If a team picks up a player via trade after the player clears waivers, isn't there a deadline if that player can be on the playoff roster?

This team is so poopy, 3 of our top 5 guys in fWAR aren't on the team and haven't been in months:


2. Moose 1.7
4. Jay 1.1
5. Soler 1.0

Mondesi with 3 RBIs in 4 innings so far today.

Natural talent starting to take over. He still has strides to make because of his lack of plate discipline, but the power and speed combo is so special.

kcchiefsus is going to stroke out with them winning 4 out of 5. Better start trading everybody so we contend in 2030.

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8/31.

Anyone acquired in September is ineligible for post-season play. Those trades happen on occasion (the Cardinals with Nicasio last year, for some dumb-ass reason), but they're rare.

Just presume that any worthwhile movement will be over by Friday and anyone that's going to be put on waivers will be put on today. If not, waivers won't expire until Saturday so there's no sense in pursuing it.

Dumped Duda for cash. LOL ****ing Royals.....

Might as well. What's the point of keeping him? At this point O'Hearn and Dozier should be playing every day. Soler's coming back next week and him and Boni should be the DH. There is zero reason Duda needs to play at all.

Now there's progress!

Probably the only offer. 6 weeks of a 700 opsing 1st basemen isn't worth much.

Especially with one month left in the season. We're lucky anyone offered anything at this point. He isn't even going to play everyday for them. He's going to be a pinch hitter off the bench.

True, cash was probably the only option.

It's good to move him. Give him a chance at post season with the Braves, and we get to see our young guys. I have no problem with this at all.

The Orioles have a shot to really distance themselves from us this weekend.

Speaking of the Herrera trade. We've talked about how Gutierrez is doing well, but Perkins just drew his 90th walk of the year. By far the most BB in A ball. Very un-Royals like.

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i can't recall, but i think i recollect thinking this was the suppository thread :D

Get out of here with your jokes. It's just too easy to pick on us when were down. Hell I don't care that much watching the Royals for the last 15-20 years will make you kinda numb to the losing. At least we have several young guys playing rather well and several that could be well on their way in the next couple of years. Life of a Royals fan, a much more interesting minor league season than major league season. You a Royals fan?

Give him another year in the organization. We'll fix that bullshit! ROFL

Yep, Dayton Moore says screw analytics and OBP. We want our players to swing at the first pitch and pitches a mile outside the strike zone. Walks are for pussies!

Rustin Dodd:

You know I just saw the average age of a baseball fan is 57 years old, that's an issue.

There's a full season of ball yet to play.

I'd say Rutschman has a little more volatility due to his relatively recent arrival on the 'premier prospect' scene. If Witt struggles next spring, I would expect it to get chalked up to 'senioritis' and his stock wouldn't change much.

But with college bats, especially those that kinda burst onto the scene, scouts look for reasons to discount them. If Rutschman doesn't have a year similar to last seasons, he'll fall harder than he would have as a prep prospect.

I'm not sure it makes a damn bit of sense, but it sure seems to be the reality of it.

I'll take the college catcher. I have very little faith in this organization to mold a high school player into a star. The college catcher should come in more refined and less likely to pick up bad habits and traits from our poor minor league development.

I'm now officially all-in on Witt, Jr.

:clap:ROFL

Considering the Royals don't seem inclined to ever deal Salvy and they've also got Melendez coming up in the system, I'll pass on the college catcher who will be big league ready in 2-3 years, probably.

Go with Witt Jr. or whatever elite college arm emerges between now and next June . . . . .

I guess I’m above average.

Well I don't think you really want to draft for need. Of the Oregon State kid is the best available player you take him. He'll still need a couple of years at least in the minors, so Salvy will likely be done by the time he'd arrive (2021-2022). Melendez is still a ways away, and having two top catching prospects isn't a bad thing. One could move to first or you could potentially make a trade.

Yeah especially when you're drafting that high. You just take the guy you think will be a superstar and let it ride. You never know what will happen with injuries or player development 4 years from now. If Salvy or Melendez is still around and playing at a high level, then great. Somebody can move to another position or be traded to fill other holes on the team.

Last year at this time, on MLB.com #1 college player for the 2018 draft was Brady Singer. 3 was Mize.

Great example.

And Singer was good this year. But because he wasn't as flashy as Kowar (and Kowar wasn't as steady as Singer) somehow they both ended up knocking each other about and Singer ends up dropping down the ranks. Why? Who the **** knows?

Seth Beer was the no-doubt 2018 #1 overall pick 2 seasons ago and he just barely stayed in the first round because he struggled one summer in the Cape.

Scouts just KILL college draft prospects.

Unless Rutschman wins the Golden Spikes (and hell, even if he does so in less than convincing fashion), I'd be surprised if he holds a #1 overall draft slot. If my memory serves, Appel did. I'm pretty sure Strasburg did.

Otherwise I can't think of any 'wire to wire' #1 overall picks out of college lately. Scouts will hunt for reasons to knock him down.

I've come to terms with not getting the first pick, I feel like there's less pressure for us to make the right pick. We should still get a stud.

Your AFL players have been announced:

Hitters:
Meibrys Viloria
Nick Heath
Khalil Lee

Pitchers:
Scott Blewett
Grant Gavin
Walker Sheller

No IFers y'all wanted to get a look at down there, I guess? A little surprised Lopez didn't get a look unless they wanted him to get some rest. That or they're just comfortable with what they have there.

Lopez is the only one as you mention. We already start a shit ton of what are essentially rookies most nights anyways.

Biggest disappointments of 2018, Espn


FanGraphs rates Hosmer at minus-0.7 WAR -- though that doesn't factor in the clubhouse leadership he has provided to a team that might lose 100 games.

Re: Witt and Rutschman, saying something like “we already have Melendez, don’t need Rutschman” is how you end up with Christian Colon instead of Chris Sale (we don’t need Sale. We already have Lamb, Montgomery, Duffy, and Dwyer).

If you’ve got the top pick, you take the guy you rate best regardless of position. Same thing with second and really any pick.

Time will tell which it should be.

If a HS arm or college arm jumps forward, I could see Baltimore going that route at No. 1.

I think I like Witt more just because Rutschman’s bat development is fairly recent, but I could be persuaded otherwise. They both offer plus offense at a key defensive spot. Witt probably has higher upside offensively because his tools are more diverse. But a switch-hitting Posey, which is the upside of the other choice, is also pretty enticing.

I think KC will evaluate Witt higher if give. The choice.

It's still a better justification than "I don't like our player development system so I'll let a college program take care of the first 3 years for us..."

I think y'all have a few undesirables in this thread...

That makes sense from a Cards perspective but from a Royals one, you can see the logic.

Looks like they've traded Butera to the Rockies for a minor league pitcher. Say goodbye to the best hair flip in team history.

Well that's certainly a way to get some extra lotto tickets.

Getting anything for a backup that's making 2M and is a pending free agent is impressive

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Agreed. I like these kinds of moves.