Sadly I have to drive through it to go to Missouri to see family and have to drive back through it to go home.

That's about the only reason to be there. For me, that state is Iowa.

That may be so, but that wasn't my argument. My argument was that they do, indeed, have options. Let me put it this way. If ESPN came down with a 50 million per school per year option for 16 teams across the country to form the "mother-of-all-super conferences", all of those teams would listen, I don't care how stable the conference is. Having options is not the same as exercising options, and that's my point.

First of all, the PAC went hunting a year after Missouri indicated they would like to be B!G. The next year, the B!G announced it wanted to expand and Missouri thought they would be that school and openly solicited it. People suspected the PAC wanted to expand, they just didn't yet realize how much. Once the B!G made its Mizzou intentions known, CU bolted for the PAC and the PAC wanted the Texas and Oklahoma schools as well. So, they know two conference members are gone, and the PAC overtures have made everyone nervous. So, of course, you listen. Then, A&M said they didn't want to go to the PAC and started talking with the SEC. Its hard to put that shit storm on the shoulders of one school when you have three conferences talking to various members.

Well, as we know, realignment isn't about "much else" other than football. To be fair, they have a pretty decent baseball team. Certainly WVU was miffed that the ACC didn't select them, like FSU wanted, and probably made a mistake going with two basketball schools, time will tell. There were rumors the SEC also considered them, and if the SEC motivations were about the football product alone, they probably would have taken them. But the SEC wants a TV network and for that, they need viewers. Missouri has them, WVU doesn't. I know Mizzou fans may not like to be reminded about that, but that's the reason Missouri was attractive. it was their state TV markets, not the on field success (or lack thereof) of the football program.

I suppose it could be a fight between the ACC and B12 if it comes to that, but I think the ACC has been seriously out maneuvered in that regard. I'm not so sure how inevitable everything is, though. I think the SEC will eventually go to 16, because 14 is just an ugly number. I don't know that the others will follow right away unless they change the rules an allow a conference semi finals to the CCG. If that occurs, then the race will be on and the ACC leftovers will merge with the Big East and try to hold onto some sort of basketball reputation.

Yes but the B12 wasn't. The Big 8 had a population problem and the SWC had a competition problem. The B12 wrote completely new by-laws, it wasn't like conference expansion is now, where you join their club. The B12 was more like a merger with some SWC casualties.

I understand, nuances can be difficult for you.

The thing is it's over, why not STFU about it.

Mmm, needs to insult in order to make his argument appear stronger, OK....

Your ASSUMPTION is that is the reason UT didn't go. And, if one simply wants to make a simplistic argument not taking into account the entirety of the dynamics at play at that time, then that might seem like the only argument.

So, let me refresh the situation at that time. A&M was openly flirting with the idea of going to the SEC. UT did not want this to happen. OU, sensing the conference may be coming apart, made their "wallflower" declaration, and began to court the PAC. UT was now in a situation of which rivalry they wanted to preserve the most. OU was the important rivalry and they knew(or at least strongly suspected), the PAC would not take OU and OSU without UT in the package. So they cut bait with A&M and played a game with OU and the PAC. OU needed to see their value was much less without UT, so UT made the LHN this intractable issue they knew the PAC wouldn't accommodate. So, UT pulls out, the PAC decides they don't want OSU (a polite way of telling OU their worth wasn't as great without UT), and the conference begins to start over until Missouri decides they don't want to be there any longer despite all their concerns being addressed.

UT doesn't want to travel to the west coast to play its games, and if you want to believe something different, then everyone is entitled to their distorted view of reality.

Big12 isn't going anywhere and its becoming one of the strongest conferences. The new playoff rule plays into both the SEC's and Big12's favor. End of discussion.

Kansas is the bottom feeder of the Big12 and Mizzou will be bottom-middle of the pack in the SEC. I can see why Kansas doesn't want to add Mizzou to the schedule, because its already going to be nearly impossible for them to ever be bowl eligible as it is and they don't have the balls that ISU has playing Iowa every year. Oh that's right, we don't suck anymore.

No where does it say that MU said no Its more like KU not wanting to continue it

Also there are many great rivalrys that teams arent in the same conference

For example


Friday, June 8, 2012

Bill Self defends CU series

KU coach: ‘We have a great relationship with Colorado’


By Gary Bedore





The Coors Events Center, home of the Colorado Buffaloes.


Some Missouri fans, radio talk show callers and Internet message board posters were grumbling last week when it was revealed that Kansas University and Colorado would begin a home-and-home men’s basketball series next season.

KU coach Bill Self, who was on vacation when the furor hit, was asked by the Journal-World about playing former Big 12 member Colorado of the Pac-12 while having no plans to schedule former Big 12 member MU of the SEC.


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“We have a great relationship with Colorado, plus we have 4,000 to 5,000 fans in Western Kansas. That’s an opportunity to see us play whenever we play in Boulder,” Self said of fans who likely will find tickets to the game during the 2013-14 season at Coors Events Center. This year’s game is in Allen Fieldhouse.

“It’s a great deal for us and our fans. We are playing a KU grad (CU coach Tad Boyle), who has done a remarkable job there in a short amount of time,” Self added.

As far as the nitty-gritty of the issue ...

“No one ever held Colorado responsible for them leaving the league. They did something they felt they had to do,” Self said. “There were so many rumors they could be left out in the cold, too. Everybody respected that without question. There are no hard feelings there. With the climate, the landscape at that particular time (summer, 2010), with all the talk about Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, all those schools going to the Pac-10 back then ... all the talk before that about Missouri and Nebraska going to the Big Ten ... Colorado was just making sure they had a conference affiliation. No hard feelings about that.”

Ha even Brownback refuses to play MU

http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles...g-kumu-series/

Brownback not too keen on continuing KU/MU series
Feb.24
brad cooper

The Kansas City Star


TOPEKA | There are lot of things that stir the soul at the Kansas capitol: Taxes, abortion, immigration, redistricting and the like.

But let's face it, that's all government stuff. When it comes to continuing the Mizzou/KU rivalry after this year, Gov. Sam Brownback seemed as opinionated about that as any other issue he discussed with the media Friday afternoon.

It was clear, if there was a bill outlawing them from playing each other again, Brownback wouldn't have a problem signing the legislation.

"I think the KU athletic director had it right," Brownback said. "This is like a guy divorcing you and saying, 'Can we still date?' I don't think so."

"Missouri is the one that started this thing three years ago in talking about going to the Big 10 and nearly cratered the whole thing. Kansas and K-State really would have been in a tough spot. Now, they're talking, 'Come on, can't we play.'"

"This has been very difficult for us."

No worries, guv. This PrimeBuzz correspondent's favorite college basketball team will enjoy having Mizzou in the SEC

Read more here: http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles...#storylink=cpy

I think you have your facts wrong Pleaase read on

As for the future?

"I would tell you right now just to take a step back and enjoy it for what it is in the moment," Zenger said. "History is made one chapter at a time, and this is one chapter. I'm very careful not to speak for those who went before us or those who will follow us. But we're living out our chapter as we speak."

Self has heard the arguments for playing on, particularly those framed in terms of what fans might want.
"People can get hung up on, 'Well, don't the fans deserve this or that?' You know what? Whose fans?" he said. "I haven't had one KU person, not one, send me an email or a letter or tell me we should play Missouri. Not one. And I've gotten numerous ones that said we should not."

While Self said he appreciated nice letters from Mizzou fans saying they hoped he'd reconsider, he added, "So I'm going to make a decision to try to make Mizzou fans happy? I mean, I'm not doing that. ... I don't see any reason to play anybody to help them. I think the reason you play somebody is to help us."

One reason he's resistant is because no scenario to play seems appropriate.

"We're going to go home-and-home every other year? We're going to play in Kansas City?" he said. "That ain't the same as it has been. It's not the same."

As the former coach at Illinois, Self is familiar with the possibilities of a neutral-court series with MU. He's heard Mizzou's points about other nonconference rivalries flourishing, such as Louisville-Kentucky and Clemson-South Carolina.

"To me, we've got to beat them to win the league. That game carries league significance. That's what makes that game so important. Playing them once a year? I personally don't feel the significance of it as much," he said. "The other thing is, Kentucky plays Louisville every year. Well, they've always played them every year (out of league). That's all they know.


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colle...#ixzz1zRVwe0om

LMAO

Mods change that clown's name to Puppetson ASAP :LOL:

Hey, I'm just using the same "logic" Puppetson uses. KC has MU/SEC fever.

MU fans writing letters to their ex. What a way to start the week.

Lol

I find it humorous that, whenever ku people use this metaphor, they always make themselves the woman in the relationship. It does come across a lot like PMS though.

And the only prescription is ...

More donations
More season tickets
More people on the waiting list
More people paying premium secondary market ticket prices

We've moved on. You guys keep writing us letters.

Please stop acting scorned. Fly butterfly.

You haven't though and you have over 6000 posts to prove it. You sure didn't get those talking about the Chiefs.

In your case, it's more like a restraining order, Alanis.

MEANWHILE....back to the subject of conference realignment..

Boise State to leave MWC

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...-mountain-west

Can't blame them for wanting an easy win against a BCS team and "rival".

Of course. Happens 50% of the time.

Yeah, keep holding on to that. Especially since you now suck so bad that even the Sucklones take you out to the woodshed. LMAO

I don't think there are any KU fans writing letters.

We're not the ones holding on.

This is probably the nail in the coffin for me...

edit- sorry for posting. Just read that is not an official MU image.

Thank God.... wow

I don't have a dog in the Big 12/realignment fight, but I'm excited to see MU in the SEC. I'm a big SEC fan anyway, so this will give me some local interest

Could care less about OU/OSU/UT etc.

I'll take Too Dumb To Quote The Correct Post for $1,000, Alex. LMAO

Exactly where I stand on this.

It's going to be cool to be able to drive 100 miles and see the likes of Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, etc play.

Get it through your heads, guys. Wickedson doesn't care about Mizzou. If he has to post several hundred more times in these threads to show you all how little he cares, he will.

I care about my opponents. This thread is all about potential KU opponents.

However recently I've found it to be a great source of Big 12 news thanks to all the MU fans posting such. I have you to thank for that.

But we aren't a potential opponent, so you don't care. I've got your back.

This is the Conference Realignment Thread, not the MU Football or MU Basketball thread. I don't think I'm understanding your point.

But again, thanks. Keeping me up to date on Big 12 news now that your school has left the confernce is appreciated. Saves me a lot of time.

“(Realignment talk) is over for Mizzou, that’s for sure,” Alden said with a laugh. “We’ve got a great home…we’re looking forward to being a proud member of the SEC for a long, long time.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/02...#storylink=cpy

I think it is time to shut down this thread. :thumb:

LMAO

nlm

Why would Kansas fans write letters to Mizzou? Kansas is the one who doesn't want to carry on the game... so you would have to write to Kansas. The only thing you could write to Mizzou is... "I wish our school was brave enough to play you, but maybe its best if we try to find a division 3 school we have a chance to beat"

Yeah, its a bravery thing. :rolleyes:

Yeah I'm assuming you would rather use the word smart. It's smart for them to not schedule a loss when they are already going to lose all of their conference games.

They want no part of SEC football.

What is your beef with KU? Did someone say something about your school or something? I'm not following.

Kansas fans don't write MU, that's the point.

Is this the year of ISU football? Or is that next year?

MU is totally SEC football....all 2 days of it. LMAO

LMAO

"When asked by me if the culture of the Big 12 had changed following the league’s trip to the brink of extinction in the summer of 2011 and a subsequent grant of media rights as it relates to the schools’ unity and commitment to the overall health of the conference, a former administrator at a Big 12 school said, “not one iota.”"

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/07/g...rs-convention/

DOOOOOOOMED!!

Eazy...let it go man. It's OK to hate a team (you know, like Texas) with a passion, but the Big 12 is our past. Wish them farewell and move forward.

heh

https://twitter.com/7sbackkkTX/statu...90608785014784

Like this is indigenous to just one conference/team.

nice try

I would assume that to be a normal attitude for almost any player.....winning is important, not watching other conference teams win.

Agreed...I don't mind a little conference "rah-rah" but I want my players will a kick-axe mindset.

Leave the conference-building to the Admins

Good lord.......


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http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...-welcome-video


VIDEO: Texas A&M Really Wants SEC To Like Them, Has No Idea How To Make That Happen

by Bill Hanstock • Jul 3, 2012 8:01 AM EDT

The Texas A&M Aggies are moving to the SEC and they are super happy about it, you guys! They're really nervous about their first day and they want to make sure all the cool upperclassmen like them. They've heard all those horror stories about how those mean Arkansas Razorbacks might pants them in the hall, or that the Georgia Bulldogs might knock their food tray out of their hands in the cafeteria, or that the Florida Gators might all get arrested. Texas A&M's mom always told them that the best way to make friends was to just be nice and try to talk about things the other person might like to talk about. So Texas A&M made a "welcome video" that can only be described as, "Our moms told us to do this."

Yes, the below video appeared on Texas A&M's official YouTube page on Monday and good lord in heaven I would be willing to bet you've never seen anything more lackluster or poorly thought out in all your days.

As of Monday night, the video had 221 "dislikes" against just 36 "likes" and the only thing I can figure is that all of the people that appear in the video and their moms clicked "like" as soon as it was posted.

Texas A&M, perhaps waking up in a cold sweat and realizing, "Oh no! All the cool schools are gonna think we're massive nerds," had the video pulled from their YouTube page at around 1 a.m. ET. But thanks to our good friends at Collegiate Stadiums, it shall live on.

I wholeheartedly encourage you to stick around past the cringe-inducing "meat" of the video to get to the "bloopers," which feature -- among other things -- someone not being able to spell "Mizzou." (In her defense, that isn't a real word.)

Exactly.

ROFL That was pretty sad.

LMAO

well, he felt the need to tweet it.

Can't watch it 'cause I'm in class, but I guarantee the longhorn knuckledraggers at shaggybevo are lapping that shit up.

omfg

Thank the conference for the money and the slew of recruits, but leave it at that. It's nice and all building up 2 solid programs and not tanking one to feed the other, but that's a pretty pathetic vid.

Somebody has to gif the nerd failing the John Wall dance into a blowie video.

:spock:

:facepalm:

That's grounds for getting booted out of a conference.

Interesting.

http://www.irishcentral.com/story/sp...#ixzz1zlvHSMF5

:Lin:

What was the video about?

Accused trying to cockblock the possibility of irish to big 12

If the ACC champion makes the playoffs, another ACC team will play in the Orange Bowl to face either an "at-large" or a 9 win Notre Dame outfit.

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/story/sp...#ixzz1zqnOPuP6

:rolleyes:

Care to elaborate?

Point is that the Big XII was pinning their expansion hopes on ND and possibly FSU or Clemson. The way it is looking none of those 3 will leave. Not very good news for the Big XII.

Noise signifying nothing, way too early to talk about whether expansion is going to happen or not. Either way, B12 is set up fine. I still say FSU is a definite #11. Clemson talk is dying, GT is picking up, and Louisville is still trying to work their way in. ND just playing their game trying to angle themselves for the best deal possible, whatever it might be.

Conference is fine with 10 from everything that is being said.

I just think it's funny that Notre Dame gets its own bowl tie in on it's own.

So much for those that thought I was wrong when I said UT and ND were by far the biggest programs out there.

What an utterly corrupt system. That is lame as hell giving an auto bid to an individual team.

This.

Auto bid to what? It's a bowl game, not the championship game.

ROFL Sure. If you say so.

I agree with PGM. I'll take it further though, college football is becoming more of a joke than ever. Drink beer, enjoy the fresh air but take it for what it is...a showcase of potential pro players...nothing about this "sport" is fair.

And, I did.

Sounds like ND just found the best deal...and took it.

Sour grapes make the best whine.

Oddly, this really hasn't done anything to lower my opinion of the Orange Bowl scumbags.

And good for them. All I'm saying is that ND is not the only factor in B12 expansion. Everyone is waiting for the financials to be hammered out with the new playoff system before making official moves, which means we probably won't see any real movement until this time next year.

So, ND can agree to whatever they want... for now. But, indications are, that if the projections are correct for FSU, they will be in the B12 soon, the money per year is too significant not to. If the SEC gets their way, they'll add a couple of ACC teams as well. Another travel partner comes with FSU, maybe the B!G makes a move in the area or two, and all of a sudden there's no real ACC to partner with in the Orange Bowl. ND withdraws due to a change in the contract conditions and then they reassess if the Independent route is what they really want to stroll.

Of course, that's all speculation, but it isn't beyond the realm of possibility, that's why I don't really care what ND does at this time. They want to project a position of strength, so they go ahead and make this deal. They really can't make any major moves until the NBC contract comes to term, anyway.

Holy crap. We agree on something :eek: I...have to agree with yours as well.