Heh, Self is the one in the article that says they are the worst Kansas team since Naismith, I just said under Self.

Maybe you could pose that question to Bill Self, tell him hes overreacting.

You really can't compare MIZZOU/NORFOLK to the game last night. Yes an underrated team beat a high ranking team in the Tourney, but that underrated team was good enough to get in the Tourney in the first place. Then that underrated team came out and started raining 3's all over the place and yes MIZZOU put their head in their asses and were saying what the hell.
Last nights game, KU just shit the bed..period. TCU didn't come out raining 3's, they played their regular game...KU didn't even score a point till almost the 8 minute mark and KU had I think 8 or 9 turn-overs just in the first half.

I'll let him know...

There was nothing underrated about Norfolk. They were an awful team that happened to make the tournament because they won an awful conference's (MEAC) conference tournament. If TCU played in that same conference this year, they'd have nearly as good a shot of getting in as Norfolk did. Both MU and KU's performances were embarrassing in the two games against vastly inferior teams, just in different ways (MU couldn't defend at all while KU couldn't score a basket).

Except when you made the statement they hadn't lost to the worst program in the B12 yet (and in fact, had only lost 1 game in 20), so it was completely unjustified. But I'm glad you feel good about yourself. It still isn't Self's worst team, though.

I am not sure why we're comparing MU's loss in a single elimination tournament to KU's second loss in conference play.

I guess you could say one team diarrhea'd in their pants, while the other just dropped a pretty gnarly log in theirs.

Because it's the most similar kind of upset that I can find over the last 10 years in college basketball (and also clearly because of the MU trolls).

I'll agree to that, especially the last sentence.

The big difference to me -- one team has the chance to improve and get better.

While one team danced themselves out of the tournament.

True enough.

There wasn't anything underrated about Norfolk State, but unlike TCU, they played way over their head... and unlike Kansas, Missouri wasn't all that bad... they shot over 50% and hit 13 3s.

Norfolk State was a better opponent...tournament worthy.

TCU won't be sniffing any post season tournament this year.

Let's not sugar-coat it people.

Allowing a team as awful as Norfolk State to score 86 points on 54.2% shooting is egregiously bad defense. Make no mistake, Missouri was terrible that day, it just showed up in a different way.

Defensively Missouri was a disaster in that game. A complete lack of defensive effort. It was as if they figured they could just flip a switch the last 5 min and eek out an easy win. I couldn't bring myself to watch another basketball game until the tourney final.

The comparison was apt in that both losses are w/o excuse. At least KU can say they didn't piss away their entire season w/ that dumpster fire last night. All of their goals are still well w/in reach.

I agree with this.

But, one was with the season riding on the line.

One was not.

We could debate about this all day. It's like the great Chiefsplanet debate of which QB sucks more - Sanchez or Castle??

What the hell does that even mean? Tournament worthy? You do realize that just because some shitty team won some shitty conference, it doesn't mean they're any good, right? It just means they're lucky enough to play in a shit conference and get some undeserved attention for a day (although Norfolk fluked their way into an extra two days).

Obviously not, but that's a product of the conference they play in. Put them in the MEAC or the SWAC where the best teams are Hampton and Savannah St and they very well could be.

Everyone has the right to point and laugh at Self and his Jayhawks...

That historical faceplant on national TV last night earned everyone in the country the right to laught and mauck us...

Yep, it was a brutal effort by MU. Like KU, they believed they didn't even have to try to pull the win out (and they were nearly right). Unlike KU, it just showed up on the defensive side rather than the offensive.

They're both hot garbage.

Calling NS a tourney team as some evidence of competence completely ignores the fact they wouldn't be if they didn't play in a league full of tomato cans.

Before last night...their best win came against 'Southern' who Kenpom has ranked 129th.

There is not much on their resume to say they would be competitive in a weaker conference.

Can we argue about something else please? TCU is crap and we lost to them, let's move on and string a couple of V's together on our way to our 9th.

We're not just talking a "weaker conference" here. A weaker conference is something like the Sun Belt, the Ivy League, or the Summit League. If TCU can beat Southern, though, they can beat teams like Hampton, Norfolk St. and Savannah State (the awful teams they would have to beat in the MEAC to be competitive). In fact, the best KenPom ranked team in the MEAC is 173. Seeing that, I guess if TCU was in that kind of conference, you'd be calling them "tournament worthy" too.

Vaginas?

I'm in!

That took me a second too...

I am use to stringing some W's together.

True, but they were hitting a lot of outside shots... a lot of open shots, but they still had to hit them... something they hadn't done all season. It's not like TCU played way over their head defensively or did anything special, besides bleeding the clock.

V for Victory? you guys are slipping! Then again we're arguing which dumpster fire is worse so carry on please.

So, wait...

There's no vaginas?

:(

Well after our last couple of games that is somewhat debatable, but technically no.

Give me a V, dot the I, curve the C-T-O-R-Y.

Can you tell I didn't play much football my fifth grade year?

Well it's either that or dwelling on how bad the team is playing right now and how no win is anything close to a guarantee if you can lose to a team as bad as TCU.

A #15 beating a 2 has happened 6 times since the tourney expanded to 64. It is a historically embarrassing and pathetic thing to lose to a team like that.

Losing to TCU is pretty embarrassing but no one will remember it this time next month when KU's cutting down the Big XII nets once again.

THink positive man, this won't last forever. I say we come out on fire Saturday, or maybe it's just wishful thinking.

We just gotta get some VD, guys!!


(victories decisively)

No one will remember it except KU fans (and the trolls). That game and its shitty broadcast team will be engraved in my memory for a while.

I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome at all at this point.

You can only get VD's through V intercourse, all in?

Well, Say Boy Howdy. Let's just cancel the tournament right now! I see no need to play it whatsoever, since KU's obviously already won it. Why waste the time and energy? And if you don't get a first round seed in the Midwest, then the tournament committee is a fraud!

This is why the rest of the Big 12 wants you to lose. Talk about conditioned to entitlements. Shut up, ball up, and be humble in victory, gracious in defeat. Stop counting your jayhawks before they are hatched.

I hope the Wildcats go on a tear.

Doherty made it like 5 million times worse, almost sounded butthurt like he wanted Selfs job.

STRING them together.

History teaches us these things, until someone knocks us off we'll continue to gloat. Now please post more Florida stories....

Yep (only 4 times prior to last season :D )... I was talking with someone the other day after they mentioned bracketology had MU as a #8 in the same region as KU, and I mentioned the one thing I'd really hate to see happen would be KU being the first to lose to a 16. We would be reminded of it every freakin' tournament, at least until it happened again. It'll happen eventually.

Last night? Turned it off before halftime and didn't think much of it after that... wasn't expecting them to match what they did last year in the tourney anyway, and don't expect them to crumble at this point.

You are losing to Iowa State, and if you lose one more game besides that you aren't winning the Big12.

BANK SHOT!!!!!!!!

It's now a four team race for first. With the Iowa State Oklahoma State game at the end setting up to be the "Championship" game.

So if KU goes 14-4 in the B12, they aren't winning it? No team other than KU and KSU are even on pace to do that right now. LMAO

13 wins will be good enough to win the B12 this year. That's how down it is.

It's why everyone hates the Yankees.

They win.

Envy.

8 straight conference championships will cause hate and jealousy.

Uh, I don't think he's a KU fan...

Who is you? I am a MU fan. They have won the league what 8 or 10 straight times and are in first place in spite of last night. Projecting them to do it again isn't exactly outside the realm of probability.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /ISU faithful

Eat a bag of dicks, GeorgeBlowfish.

ISU only has 4 home games left out of the 9 and they've already played TCU/Tech on the road. Of all the teams with a chance to win the conference, ISU has the toughest schedule remaining. But yeah, I'm sure they'll differentiate themselves from KSU, OSU, BU, and OU and somehow come on top of KU at the same time. ROFL

He's a MU troll. I wouldn't even bother with him. I'd still definitely give the edge to the conference to KU, they have the best team. But there are no guarantees.

Freakin' entitled arrogant asshole MU fans with their lofty expectations of KU... get out of our thread! There's no place here for title predictions and optimism!



/sarcasm

Topeka - home of hoops pimps! :D

A tie at the end keeps the streak alive.

I'm sorry guys. This is my fault. I obviously ****ed God's wife.

I came home at lunch, flipped on the TV, and guess what game was on....You guessed it. KU @ Texas Christian. Me ****ing God's wife is the only explanation.

Sorry guys. I gotta quit whoring around on the weekends.

With the way Kansas has played all year, I wouldn't count on Iowa State being their only loss the rest of the year.

Yep, 19-3 is horrible. Beating the OSU at their place wasn't impressive either. There are two sides to this story.

Despite Fairplay's arrogance, I don't think anyone can say this is Self's worst team. At least not yet. Remember 2004-2005? Yeah, that team was 20-1. Great. Fantastic.
But then the bottom fell out. They finished 23-7 while losing to freakin' Bucknell in the NCAA tourney. This year's team has a long ways to go to reach that level of crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2...asketball_team

You were a cheerleader?

Even before Kansas' pathetic loss, they were talking about how Iowa State was only two shots away from second place on ESPN.

What a sad story.

Iowa State just started off on the wrong end of lucky wins, unlike Kansas. Now the roles are switching. Sorry, I'd rather finish hot than start hot.

You sure are talking a lot for a fan of a team that has won Jack and Shit.

Didn't you guys just lose to Tech? I am missing the part where you are finishing "hot"...

3-2 in your last 5 isn't finishing "hot"

It is for the Sucklones

Thats because the season isn't finished yet. We're just getting hot.

Hey guys...anyone else want to hit Elijah Johnson in the junk with a barbed-wire bat?

OSU is also a couple shots from being 7-2, KSU a couple from 8-1, OU a couple from 6 wins, and ISU is a couple shots from being 5-4. This is fun, they should just hand out participation ribbons for everyone being so close.

Iowa State lost to Texas Tech like two weeks ago, a team that is equally bad to TCU. You're in no place to talk shit about anybody. LMAO

There's a reason that EJ continues to be thrown out there while sucking and that's because Tharpe is sucking just as bad, if not worse (2 for 15 from the field yesterday), right behind him.

Its part of the transfer process. Started off slow last year, started off slow this year. They try to be stars before working together. This team can play with and beat anyone this year, and they are just getting better. Just got Bubu Palo back a few games ago, and Booker back against Oklahoma. Its all coming together at the right time... vs Kansas falling apart at the wrong time.

I suppose...you guys ARE riding like a 2 game winning streak...watch out!

3-2 in your last 5....

At least we played close with them, even with Iowa State just jacking up the threes in the 4th without passing the ball at all and none of them falling. Your loss was just, wow.

Oh no, not Bubu Palo. Game changer!

3-1 against the last four. Against KSU, Baylor, and Oklahoma. The loss came in a game that the refs gave to OSU.

6-2 in the last 8. This is fun!

There's some saving grace in losing to Texas Tech by 5 points? Dude, that was the worst loss in college basketball this season until last night. ROFL

Coming from the team without a PG.

Key word, until. Thank you!