Honestly, how good is Mathieu anyway? Is he that much of an upgrade?

:sulk:

I will move heaven and Earth to make this happen

Over Murray?

I mean yeah

Dunno

Sold ROFL

is this real life

Exactly, no help on the backside and they will just run it up our ass until we pull back a bit to allow the long pass again.

Not sure. Clowney is though

The good news is that it's now clear that Veach & Co are definitely aware that the defense needs an upgrade. Which means if somebody like Matthieu DOES land on the trading block, it's safe to say the Chiefs will be in on the action!!!

I haven't watched him closely so it was an honest question. I know very little about him.

It’s just hard to plug and play on the nfl.

Earl was probably the guy I’d do it for. Unless you have the opportunity for something crazy like a Thomas otherwise I’d just stand pat and pray

That's a damn pipe dream!:bong:

Eric Murray is super horrible, so yes absolutely yes

Still going after him in FA. This is Sammy Watkins/Anthony Hitchens again.

Veach is gonna go hard after the guy in the Spring.

I expect Veach to go all out next offseason to get ready for a big run.

Mathieu was available in the offseason though and the Chiefs didn't appear to be interested at all.

Over Murray? That's a instant upgrade, in my opinion. Murray doesn't seem to have the football IQ.

Honestly, would a current FA safety be an better option?

I wouldn’t pay him that much now. Over 30 and injuries are creeping up

Hehe, okay yeah. Let me rephrase my question. LOL

How good is Tyronne Mathieu? Is he worth giving up a higher pick for? Would he stay on the field if/when Berry comes back and supplant Ron Parker?

Coming off an ACL, they probably didn't want to take the chance. Now that he looks good again, maybe they'll be willing to pull the trigger on a trade for a mid round pick

Why does it always have to be about next year?

He’s on a 1 year deal.

If they were to trade him, you could probably flip like a 5tj

What? We were in on him according to both national pundits and twitter tards who actually broke news.

Iirc, we just didn’t have the $ at the time or something

I never read a thing about the Chiefs and him in the offseason, but I will admit, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention until about week 3 of the preseason.

Well, to be honest with you, I have not had an opportunity to watch him play, so I cannot say with my eye test. Additionally, PFF is unreliable on just utilizing it alone, so without seeing him actually play, I can't say.

That being said, just using strictly PFF, it has rated him #24 S in the NFL, with a score of 72.3, which is above average rating.

Ironically, same PFF has rated Murray as a #59 S in the NFL, with a score of 58.1, which is average rating. But I'm not seeing that on the eye test for Murray. :shrug:

I'd flip at least a cond. 3rd for him no doubt and yeah he would replace Ron Parker.

Heck I don't remember that but if it's true then there might actually be a decent chance of a trade happening

Brett Veach himself said we were interested if we could figure out the money.

Imma trust you guys on this one. If you guys think getting Mathieu would be good for this team this year, I'm in. :D

Might as well get er done then.

I just can’t imagine he’d cost that much if they end up trading him.

He’d be a half year rental.

Has there even been anything about the Texans wanting to trade either player?

I'd really love to see us throw Armani Watts out there and see what the kid's got.

Eric Murray is complete garbage and Watts flashed a little bit in the PS. CANNOT be any worse than Murray.

The Chiefs are going to need a safety beyond 2018, so may not be just a rental.

For sure but in terms of trade compensation I don’t think it would be that much if they decide to trade him

Like a 5th would probably do it

How old is he? 25? Doesn't seem like all that long ago he was drafted. Might actually be a good long term option?

Nah he’s older than that. 27/28ish?

Exactly! He couldn’t possibly be worse, so you might as well see what we’ve got. He may take bad angles but so does Murray. At least Watts has a nose for the ball.

26 years old.

No shit?

Yeah I’d see if you could extend him as well

Problem is they won’t fold the tents for a while in Houston

Definitely a guy you could extend.

Call me nostalgic but with Jimmy Smith coming back, we should see what the Ravens would take for Brandon Carr. :D

Not enough resources and Veach tried to go for it this year. His investment broke his leg 5 hours ago.

But Conner is a good back - they said
Our running game will be fine - they said

At least do the due diligence and open up dialogue about Mathieu.

looks like (unless the rules changed again) that players on IR can still be traded

Under Article XVII, Section 17.16, clubs were previously not allowed to trade players who were on injured reserve. That rule has been reversed, thanks to a proposal from general manager John Elway and Co.
came from a broncos site so it could be wrong as hell
https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/201...jured-reserve/

Need Houston to lose a bunch more

I guess now we are going to have to accept the fact that this season will turn on the defense that Reid and Veach decided to go into the season with, and the guys they drafted knowing the defense was a huge need...

Eh. Looking at his contract on Sportrac we'd probably need to make it a bit more worth their while to trade him.

Explain?

Isn’t he on a 1 year deal?

Think they'd only save around 500k if we traded for him. Most of his money has already been paid out.

I gotta put these Earl Thomas threads on ignore. I don't want to think about it anymore. I haz a sad.
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Hmmm...

They could, but the dead money for 2019 is still pretty large....

Post 6/1 Trade:

2018 Dead Cap: $4,100,000
2019 Dead Cap: $12,900,000
2018 Cap Savings: $8,900,000

**** it was just set up perfect for Thomas to kc

Who the **** is trading for Berry?

Exactly my thoughts. But he asked, so.... :shrug:

The only possible way I can see the Chiefs doing is post 6/1 Berry for 2019.

Post-6/1 Release
2019 Dead Cap: $6,950,000
2020 Dead Cap: $8,000,000
2019 Cap Savings: $9,550,000

The 2020 dead cap is still a killer though. But it could be offset by the rollover and the overall cap # increase.

Sucked Indy lost to them!

Pretty sure he's talking about Thomas.

But they might be able to get a pick for him vs. getting nothing when he leaves, right?

He could be, but I was under the impression that he was talking about Berry.

Either way, this has turned out to be the worst outcome we hoped for, other than losing out the sweepstakes.

Yeah, but I wouldn't get too hyped up unless it actually comes out that they're looking to dump players for draft capital. Then I'm all over Mathieu. Clowney has a cap hit of 12 million this year and I really don't understand how 5th year options work when it comes to being traded so one of you can figure that out.

I need to read this thread to get everyone opinions on Ol Earl. See if he will be a fit or not.

5k and Jesus performs a miracle on his leg, or naw?

Let us pray!!!

Yes!

LOL at anyone suggesting we bring him in for a late pick in the hopes that our training staff could actually get him on the field for meaningful games this season.

So the deal is done?

If you keep up with your prayers (and posts), then YES!

Look people, this trade is DEAD! We are not trading any pics for him now!

Seattle is better off letting leave in FA, a possible 3rd comp pick is going to better than a 7th rd pic.

I like clowney but Houston would probably want a mack like trade and he'd want a mack like deal. He's a good player but I don't think he's a great player.

I could send my pics but I doubt they would be interested not 1:1 anyways.

This thread is dead. Time to shoot it like Earl's leg.

ROFL

I can’t stop thinking about if this guy didn’t get hurt. He would have been a Chief.

Sorenson got destroyed on the Rams final TD in single coverage.

That doesn’t happen if it’s Earl Thomas.

You and me both... What a difference Thomas would make to pair with Berry if he ever comes back.

I’ve been thinking about this for a couple of weeks. What could have been.

Because Chiefs.

By the time he hits the field again, Thomas will be 30+ and coming off a broken leg

Berry is an entirely different level of unknown... but add the two guys together and its one big scooby-doo mystery

Lets do our due diligence in the draft, and sign a choice FA or three