I'm ready to take a grown man's job. -Isiah Pacheco

As for Clyde, Tee Higgins went two picks later. That's what Clyde will best be remembered for. It's a rare whiff fod Brett Veach and probably the last time Patrick had a say on who he wanted lol.

I hate how many dynamic receivers we missed by taking lesser players around the same picks.

Its my one negative about veach so far is that he hasn’t been able to draft exceptional offensive skill players in the early rounds.

Hardman-miss
Clyde-miss
Skyy-jury is still out

Granted, a very small sample size. Hopefully we get a big time playmaker to pair with patrick for 4-5 years on the cheap this april.

I'm not sure how the **** anyone could bitch about Veach's drafts. Plus he just drafted Pacheco last year. Hardman definitely wasn't a miss. He was the 3rd or 4th option the entire time Hill was here and he still got around 700 yds. He is one of the most productive 3rd options in the entire league.

I agree with your Hardman take. He was not a steal or bust, just a solid pick in the late second. Nothing wrong with that.

I liked Pickens over Skyy by quite a bit. But they got MVS and Juju in the offseason and i think they were looking for a guy to groom behind Mecole. So there's a lot to play out there.

Was super obvious after he skipped

Say what you want about Clyde Edwards-Helaire he has more yards and touchdowns and post season victories than Johnathan Taylor. Clyde Edwards-Helaire > Johnathan Taylor. Johnathan Taylor sucks compared to Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

He may be better in a different system. He was touted at being a good pass catch threat but he's anything but that.

More like Edwards-Hotair

Was super obvious before the season.

He will be a Bronco next year. LMAO

There was a Chiefs reporter or someone on Twitter who was losing their minds a week or two ago when people mentioned he wasn't going to be here. Said the Chiefs would never get rid of a cheap rookie contract on such a player...but might as well save the money. He's just not an important cog.

it was literally the next pick if I'm not mistaken.

Lions are reportedly looking to trade D'Andre Swift this offseason... first two RB's taken in the 2020 draft have not worked out.

? Has he ever said anything controversial/negative about anything since he was drafted? Talk about hot air . . .

The average career span for NFL running backs is around 2-3 years. We got reasonable worth from CEH, his positives outweigh his negatives by quite a bit.

I realize he did not live up to lofty expectations, but if he was a superstar we probably wouldn't be able to afford to keep him anyway. I don't see any need to degrade him, lets just move on.

A swap CEH for Swift? Waste of time?

Why are they getting rid of Swift in the first place?

I have nothing against Clem. It wasn't his fault we missed on him in the 1st round. We should all just wish Claude well and move on.

Declining the 5th year option is probably wise, given that it will save us money. However, we still have his rights for next year. Will be interesting to see what happens there.

David Montgomery
Saquon Barkley
Kareem Hunt
Josh Jacobs
Miles Sanders
Devin Singletary
Tony Pollard


This RB free agency is sick. CEH isn't getting much with that kind of competition.

He's not a free agent.

Well he ain't gonna be a Chief next season.

I'd say there are coinflip odds that he ends up on the FA market by early summer.

If someone offered a fifth rounder for him, do we take it?

Done. Maybe see if I could toss one of those 7ths in there to get that upgraded to a 4 or something, but if a 5th is all I can do, I'm moving him.

I'm betting you can't get that for him at this point.

Yes. Why would any team offer that? Would be better just drafting a college RB with that pick.

We just found Isiah Pacheco and Jaylen Watson in the 7th.

I'd trade CEH for a 10th rounder if it existed lol

Trade him for opened boxes of Kelce and mahomes Crunch cereal.

Exactly.

You could use a 5th rounder to draft some big fast guy with vision issues or a bad OL in college and get him for 4 years at asswipe money.

Or you could trade for a dude w/ 3 years of demonstrated mediocrity who costs about as much as 4 years worth of that 5th round RB combined and is a FA at season's end...

I don't see BLEH have any trade value at all, really.

How did we really make this bad of a pick in the first? It's mind bottling.

Which is why unless it's the second coming of Jim Brown you can't spend a first rounder there. Shouldn't see that again. Agree he gave us decent value, just not first round, and hope he gets healthy and salvages his career.

Hey Zeb love the Woolworth's reference!

It bottles the mind

Mahomes wanted him, and they listened to their Super Bowl MVP QB. Unfortunately. *somethingsomethingTee Higginssomething*

And to be fair, he hasn't been trash. He just hasn't lived up to his first round draft position, but how many first round RB's do?

Frankly I'm a little puzzled that I managed to talk myself into it.

It's right there alongside Trazelle Jenkins, Jon Baldwin and Sly Morris.

The only ones CLEARLY worse are Ryan Sims and Tyson Jackson but only because of how high they were taken. Jackson had a better career than BLEH will have.

It was just so awful.

He has been trash.

Go find that 'yards blocked vs. yards gained' chart again. He's simply a bad runningback. He can't be used in the passing game because he can't pass block.

If he were a 5th round pick he'd be out of the league right now.

Thankfully, I never caved I don't think, I may have though. I say alot of dumb shit on here.

You think so? I think they'd just soon enough keep him till his contract expires.

You answered your own question. It was just such a DOA situation because of the cost and position. It was doomed from the start.

Came apart in midair.

I think you would have been a good RB in that offense at LSU to be fair. But man......it's just bad.

Fresh off a SB win and when you looked at the roster, we had something like 20 of our 22 players returning. And at the time, the only glaring hole was at RB and it was the only position group you looked at and went, "dan we could use some talent there". It was a luxury pick.

You basically looked at the roster and said, "we're loaded. A sick RB would top this team off...Oh look, here's one".

It just didn't work out.

Everyone wants to look at shit in hindsight. "BUT TEE HIGGENS".

We had Hill/Watkins/Hardman at the time....

Higgens woulda been nice, sure, but the mindset was on enhancing the team we had to #Runitback

I think he'll make the roster through at least camp, but I could be wrong. They'll definitely bring in competition through the draft etc., but I assume they'll give him a chance. I could also see a trade. But I don't see the advantage in simply releasing him, unless others are better.

Whatever happens, I'm sure Veach will do the right thing, which is awesome.

Veach gonna flip him to the Ders for a 6er and a large pepperoni pizza.

I have no argument against this. Just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, apparently.

He's had his moments. Maybe that's a better way of putting it.

It's a good point, but there were enough backs in that draft of similar quality to get that done in the 2nd. I'd like to think it was the Mahomes factor cause otherwise you can never rationalize it.

$1.2 million of this year's salary is guaranteed so you may be right. Perhaps they'll try to use him like McKinnon or something.

But I think they'd rather bring back McKinnon and draft a replacement for Clyde, especially if they can get that salary traded for a ham sandwich.

Nobody is going to want him in a trade. They know they can just wait to get him after he's cut at the end of the year.

He's going to be on the 2023 roster, that's my guess.

Well, that was dumbass non forward thinking if that's the case.

If you sort this on Wav, weighted average career value, CEH ranks 44th in that draft, so only 12 spots from where he was taken.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...2020/draft.htm

13 guys, or 40 percent of players taken ahead of him have been lower value. It's a fun way to assess drafts in retrospect.

You don't wanna see Speaks number. Mahomes on the other hand.

Unless he's traded or clearly beaten for a job, that's my guess as well. Others clearly disagree.

WAV has Sneed lower than CEH, which is ludicrous.

Has him classified as a safety I think because he's played in the slot so much and that reduces his rank relative to a skill player on offense. Seems to do a pretty good job if you look at the rankings within position overall. Definitely less ludicrous than just saying "yeah CEH was a 4th rounder at best" pulled out of the ass.

Anyway Sneed especially and Gay salvage the draft with these numbers. Sneed comes in as a mid second round value 82 spots up from where he was drafted.

The only team dumb enough to do something like that would be Denver, and I think they're out of draft picks.

Honestly Clyde's first season lived up to his draft status. It was every season after. Next year is a contract year so we'll see. Saunders turned it on last year. Clyde's turn.

The problem is he lost his job. He's a rotational back now at best. Plus it doesn't seem like he wants to be here anymore if he's not willing to go to the parade to celebrate a SB win of all things.

JFC. Are people still ****ing butthurt that he made a prior commitment probably months before the Chiefs won the SB? Get over it. The guy was having a ****ing blast on the sideline with teammates in a track suit. It's not mandatory to attend the parade.

If we think of guys like CEH as Veach’s worst moves, then we’re in damn good shape. He’s scored like 17 TDs in 35 games. We could’ve done much much worse.

Alright fine ill retract that.

I still just don't see how he's going to make an impact now when his track record has been so bad and he's lost the starting job.

I'll never be behind a RB in R1, it was a bad pick. BUT, and as much as I've hated watching him plodding his way to an OLs butt every snap, i also think he's been kinda unlucky. His rookie year he was pretty good, I think the injury f***ed him. Combine that with his usage, which is baffling to me and feels like a rare example of Reid and Co not putting a player in the best position to succeed, and it's been pretty rough viewing. I doubt we get anything for him, I think he's absolutely bust, but I imagine he's here next year. He seems like a good pro and teammate and i don't really care about the parade.

I think receiving running backs are fools gold a lot of the time. It feels like they'll be a lethal offensive threat rather than just someone who doesn't run routes well enough to be a WR. I'd far rather the strategy of picking up guys late which fit one or 2 specific needs, speed, power, can block etc.a lot of RBs end up having decent hands after just never having them tested in college.

I believe this thread exists, in case fans of other teams drop by. To fume at the outright spoiled nature of it all

Let's Reach just isn't good at drafting/ knowmo

In hindsight that is correct. He was a talented back coming out of LSU and viewed as another weapon for this team. KC just came off a SB and didn't have a lot of weaknesses. He wasn't a bad pick at the time like a Breeland Speaks.

A few people have said this.

I don't think any team doesn't have a weakness. Even if so, the Chiefs are always looking ahead at contracts and such.

There was just no reason to take a borderline athletic RB in the first round.

Except at the time he was viewed as a very good pick for KC. The biggest opponents of it did so because they weren't happy with a RB in the 1st. He was a stud at LSU and a large part of the success of that team. He even was pretty decent before injuries. In hindsight he wasn't a good pick.

Speaks was an absolutely horrible selection.

Yeah, I wasn't fond of the CEH pick. But then again, I'm a "never take a RB in the first round" guy.

It wasn't anything against CEH at all.

I just hated taking a guy that wasn't really overly athletic or electric. I mean, he really didn't have any traits that blew you away.

He isn't fast, for sure.

But to say he didn't have any traits that blew you away isn't really true. He was one of the most efficient players in CFB at LSU. Sure he was surrounded by all-star talent but in the framework of that team, he was also all-star talent. He was great in college. It just didn't translate to the pros.

But that's no fun.

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The talent on that LSU championship team was just absurd for a college team.

I actually recognized his relative lack of speed and convinced myself "eh, he's fast enough..."

Dafuq?

Ask yourself if a guy is going to be playable on Madden and if he isn't, you probably shouldn't be using a 1st rounder on him.

Wasn't Jamarr Chase their #2 wideout for a season?

Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase on the same NFL team would be insanity. Having them both on one college team? Lord.

I've said it before but when you look at the roster AND the quality of the competition they played (that '19 LSU squad had a brutal slate), that has to be considered the best team in college football history. With a schedule loaded w/ top 10 opponents, they weren't just beating teams, they were wrecking them. That Auburn game was really the only dogfight they had. Alabama gave them a game as well but that still felt more like LSU playing with its food ('bama was down 12 with about 90 seconds left). On the road. In Bryant-Denny.

It really was ridiculous.

Look at the rosters for that 2019 'Bama/LSU game. Wow.

Offense:

QB: Burrow and Tua (And Mac Jones)
RB: Najee Harris, Brian Robinson, MEH
WR: HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Okay, I've composed myself: Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrace Marshall, DeVonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, Jaylen Waddle
OL: Saahdiq Charles, Damien Lewis, Lloyd Cushenberry, Jedrick Wills, Evan Neal, Alex Leatherwood, Landon Dickerson, Ed Ingram

Defense: Xavier McKinney, K'Lavon Chaisson, Trevon Diggs, Patrick Queen, Raekwon Davis, Patrick Surtain II, Jalyn Armour-Davis, Grant Delpit, Christian Barmore, Kristian Fulton, Derek Stingley Jr, Damone Clark, Phidarian Mathis

I mean the damn KICKER is in the NFL and is really good - Cade York.

There's no way there's ever been that much talent on a single college football field, is there? Holy hell - that's friggen nuts.

I had a co worker who is a big OU fan. She kept telling me they had a good shot in that playoff game.

I kept telling her not to get her hopes up.

Sure enough. OU got absolutely annihilated.

Crazy how some of you lot are giving this bum the benefit of the doubt for "prior commitments" to attend NY fashion week. NY fashion week? Are you serious? How ****ing stupid can you be that you think that there must be something so important in that carnival of tripe that means Clyde couldn't attend the parade.

"Mr Armani, Clyde would normally have loved to have come but his team just won the Super Bowl"

"Mama Mia!! withouta Clyde Edwards-Hellaira we have-a no show."

Let's be honest, he probably didn't give us a chance of winning the Lombardi after looking in the mirror. **** him and let's get rid if it's possible.

With all the talk of trades going on I was wondering if it was possible we could get rid of this guy by inserting him into another deal. The conversation could go something like this:

"Hello Mr Veach, it's Martin Mayhew GM of the Redski...the Commanders, yeah the Commanders. I would like to trade for L'Jarius Sneed and will offer you two 2nd round picks"

"Greetings Martin. I would love to accept this trade. For your two 2nd round picks you will receive L'Jarius Sneed and Clyde Edwards Hellaire.. who by the way isn't a total JAG"

"We get Clyde Edwards Hellaire for nothing? Oh my! Why thank you Mr. Veach"

"....hehe"

Actually, I just can't understand why anyone's caterwauling about CEH deciding to attend the show vs. the parade. He's a grown man, he can make decisions for himself.

Why would the Chiefs do that? I must be missing the upside.

All of this

He's shit and no team realistically would want to give up draft capital and take on his contract. At least we could get his $2.7m salary off our books.