And the reality is that Veach has managed the cap to a point where the Chiefs have the money to take several players from that list if they want. He landed one big fish, lost one, added depth and has the Chiefs in good position to add more. I don't look at that as failure by any means.

Schwartz didn’t even play last year and when he did, he wasn’t good. There’s nothing to replace there if we are strictly talking 2020.

Okung level LT is pretty much a wash with Fisher to me.

Imagine trying to pretend that the Chiefs had Schwartz in 2020 just to push a narrative....

LMAO

The tweet is about opening day rosters. Barring a significant trade do you see this roster being better than our opening day roster last year?

Who gives a **** about what some turd cutter with 8,000 followers has to say about the Chiefs roster, 4 days into Free Agency?

The Chiefs won 10 games without Schwartz and as much as it would've been nice to have him on the squad for all 19 games, the Chiefs went to the Super Bowl without him.

If the Chiefs land a nice receiver and capable Left Tackle, whether in the draft or Free Agency, there will be no doubt in my mind that the 2021 Chiefs are better "on paper" than the 2020 squad due to the huge upgrades in the interior offensive line.

And any productive receiver that can stay healthy for 17-20 games will be an automatic upgrade from Sammy Watkins.

I think is was a straight money thing with Williams in sight. Also don't think bridges were burnt.

Well we didn’t know it at the time, but opening day Schwartz was pretty bad. It’s hard to tell. It’s the 3rd day of the league year and we have a hyper aggressive GM. I’m not worried, yet.

Imagine not reading what the tweet said.

Ravens are trying to get a WR. Chiefs are trying to get a LT.

What about Hardman and a 5th for Brown?

Frees us up to move around and find a WR or two in the draft.

Yep...Hell, any productive WR who can stay healthy for 10 games is an upgrade over Watkins.

It is a good thing that the SB is not played on opening day.

I read what the tweet said. It’s still dumb to use Schwartz as a comparison.

Schwartz was a non-factor in the 2020 season. I don’t care what the team looked like “on paper” going into it.

I don’t like the Brown scheme fit personally. I think he needs to be in an offense where the defense anticipates the run, and he can lean on bodies.

If you’ll recall in the KC game, when they HAVE to throw, his play seems to drop off some. He’s not a pure drop back pass blocker. When guys can tee off, the lack of athleticism shows.

Take that up with the tweeter. I'm just reading what he said.

I hope not because it doesn't make any sense to me.

If they would take that combo you would do it so fast it is not even funny. It would be a good trade to give them 31 and Hardman for Brown.

You are pushing the same narrative. He is doing it because of his agenda, trying to get more clicks and follows. What is yours? Being a dumbass?

The offseason isn’t ****ing done yet.

Being the contrarian bundle of sticks that he is.

DE is a problem area. Okafor sucked and Taco is not a starter. Need to fix that hopefully with a vet

Sean Culkin posted that tweet hinting that he may want Okung here. I bet he’s heard they are talking to him.

I personally think he’s the best scheme fit, ready to play LT left and honestly was the best fit after Trent Williams signed.

I agree. Injury really ****ed him over. Good thing the Oline players we might be counting on next year have such great health histories.

How is it a narrative? Comparing rosters and judging FA pickups is what people do. For example our good pal Staylor thought Dolphins were having a terrible free agency. Is that a narrative he was trying to push? Or just an opinion?

Hence the "barring significant trade" disclaimer.

You all are so quick to give up on a guy with 14 career tds for a wannabe LT

As a player vs player comparison, Thuney is better at his job then Fisher is at his. That said, we still need another LT. We still have the draft and a possible Okung move. Prince Tego has a ton of talent too.

Sure, it would be nice if they can either sign or draft a DE.

But the Tweet said the team wouldn't been better in Week 1, which is ridiculous, especially considering they had issues all last season with the DE opposite Clark.

Veach still has plenty of time in Free Agency, the upcoming draft (8 selections) while adding guys through waivers during and after Training Camp as well.

It was just a dumb, ill-informed tweet by a guy trying to drive traffic.

Good thing we’re also focused on building depth and preparing for the possibility that guys get injured.

Best explanation I've seen yet... you can't drop him back 40 times a game, he's more masher than ballerina

There's a lot of time and a lot of moves left to be made.

The Chiefs' line on opening day 2021 is going to have some questions about it, unless Veach has a big trade up his sleeve (always possible).

But who gives a ****?

That line is going to be better at LG than it was throughout 2020. It's going to be no worse at C. It's going to be better at RG (with a lot more upside). At RT, at worst it's going to have a player who played well enough at RT to have a top 10 win rate as a run blocker and a pass blocker, both. If Niang beats out Remmers, it is going to be better at RT than it was for the stretch run of 2020.

So yes, LT is a question. They have to address it. They missed on the best available option to do so, but the other FA options are pretty slim. Upgrading beyond that plan A is going to come down to the draft pick they're able to make, or a trade they're able to make.

The timing of Fisher's injury put them in a tough spot. There's more than one way to respond to it.

People need to chill and see what happens in this second tier of FA. The Chiefs are positioned to take advantage of it.

Also, being the optimist I tend to be, I don’t think this even ends up a negative at all if certain things break a certain way.

If that $23-24m AAV that was intended to go to Trent Williams becomes Russell Okung, Adoree Jackson, and a starting DE like Dunlap or WR2, is that awful?

It was borderline overcorrection of the OL. Mahomes needs a good line, but it doesn’t HAVE to be elite. It’s a star studded team as is and depth is paramount to making another deep run. Much like when they ‘missed’ on Earl Thomas, it could end up being a positive.

When the **** did we sign Sean Culkin?

Feb 6th, 2021

All I’ve heard is that the low sack numbers over the last 3 years are practically all because Mahomes is so good. That along is reason to spread the wealth a bit and not over-invest in the OL.

Granted, the Super Bowl OL is unacceptable. The OL we had through the season until the Bills game likely would have been good enough to win it all.

The OL doesn’t need to be completely fixed in one offseason. It just needs to be better. Veach will continue to invest in the OL every year.

The OL was poor in last year's Super Bowl as well. They got pushed around by the 49ers until the 4th quarter. The offense had one good quarter out of eight in two Super Bowls. The OL has been a weakness for years. Especially at run blocking and short yardage. They just managed to work around it.

Andy and Brett are definitely sending messages to the league that our running game wont be denied in 2021

Yes. You might be able to win a lot of regular season games with a weak line. But you are likely to face a top five, if not a top three, pass rush somewhere in the playoffs or SB when it matters.

Not to mention the issue of wanting to reduce the wear and tear on your QB.

To be fair, Perriman signed with Detroit and William Jackson the top CB in the market went to Washington.

Okung is a 33 year old that has played less than half of his games in the last 2 years. You can’t count on him at all.

We might as well try for Dillard or just trade up a bit to draft an OT (or stay at 31 if we can).

I didn’t see the news on Perriman, but I’m talking about Adoree Jackson.

I think the idea with Okung is to also take a T early. At least in the first 2 rounds.

I bet Mahomes Kelce and Jones wants their money back lol

I wouldn’t mind that but I don’t want to wait for round 2. All of the best prospects will be going in the top 50

They didn’t take less money

They gotta wait though

Is Yasir Durant a bad option at LT?

Yes.


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Why ?

You keep saying this. I disagree.

Walker Little will likely be there at 63. If not, one of Hudson or Smith will.

I’m not drafting for need at 31, and I’m not forcing a trade up. Worst case scenario your trade up in the 2nd to secure one. That’s the entire point of signing Okung.

Correct.

I also am not big on the Dillard idea. He hasn’t proven to be even a solid player yet and just missed a full season to injury. Would rather pick our own guy than do that.

This. Nobody is saying sign Okung and say **** it to the LT position for the next three years. We’re saying sign Okung and take the LT that you want. Whether that’s a guy you like at 31 or 63....or trade up in the second.

I’d trade up for one if I had to if therr was one you loved that got in range

No they don't. They got their money upfront as a bonus instead of in game checks.

I think you could sign a stop gap and draft one with the intention that the young guy takes over whenever he’s ready this year or even day one.

Long run that’s the way to go.

100% disagree

If you want a LT capable of starting effectively, you pretty much need to take one day 1. It doesn’t help at all that we are the second to last pick of the 2nd rd.

So basically you’re comfortable trying to get a guy suited more for 3rd rd who have significant issues?

Walker Little is possible due to covid opt out, but even then I don’t think he’s there at 63.

We’ve been over this. You do this every year with Ts. Last year it was Ezra Cleveland that wouldn’t make it to 32, but he didn’t go till the 58th overall pick. You claimed he’d be top 20 in any other draft because last years class was the best OT class ever.

Now here we are, and you’re doing it with this class too. You’re focusing on a good/deep position group and you scare yourself into thinking you have to reach to get one. That’s a terrible way to approach the draft. You let the draft come to you. You don’t force things because of need. Again, that’s the entire point of signing a guy like Okung. To give you a little more flexibility in the draft.

Half the league isn’t going to take a T in the first 2 rounds dude. Smith, Hudson, and Little aren’t all going to be gone and at the very least they will be within reach to trade up in the 2nd.

- If Cosmi or Jenkins slip into our range, sure trade up.

- If Mayfield is sitting there at 31 and they think they can groom him to play LT, I’m good with that.

- If Eichenberg is the best T available at 31, there will likely be a DE or WR I’d with a higher grade. I’m not drafting for need.

- If there’s a huge run on T’s in the 1st, then that increases the likelihood of getting value in the 2nd. This class is extremely deep and like I said, half the league isn’t going to take a T in the first 2 rounds. That just doesn’t happen.

I’d like to have cosmi. If he gets in range of say, 22/23 I’d see what I’d need to do

I mean aside from LT vs. RT, Little and Niang are extremely similar prospects.

I don’t see Little having a grade with a difference of more than an entire round. That’s just crazy.

This team went 13-0 last year with Remmers holding down the right tackle spot. 13-0! 1.)Slide Allegretti to center 2.) Draft Bateman or Marshall Jr. with pick 31 3.) Draft your future left tackle with your 2nd rounder. This pick and Niang are your future bookends. 4.) Sign an experienced veteran as a stopgap left tackle.

Do those above four things and you are the same or better at 10 of 11 positions as compared to last year. Worse at 1 of 11.

Quarterback - Same (Mahomes)
RB1 - Same (CEH)
TE - Same (Kelce)
WR1 - Same (Hill)
WR2 - Better - Draft Bateman or Marshall Jr. with pick 31.
WR3 - Same (Hardman)
LT - Worse. TBD what we do there.
LG - Better (Thuney)
C - Same probably better (Allegretti)
RG - Better (LDT or Long)
RT - Same (Remmers or Niang)

I don't really fancy trying to turn a RT like Mayfield into an LT tbh because what if it fails? We'd be fecked. Leatherwood, Radunz, Hudson, Little etc someone is gonna be there for our first two picks I think so get one of them, plus get Okung and we're in a good place with our tackles for the now and future.

Ezra Cleveland was taken before 63. He also played Guard as a rookie, so I doubt he’s going to LT.

The best LT prospects are going in the top 40. Even last years amazing OL class had that happen.

And good luck to Okung. Would hate to have us trot out utter shit at LT when he inevitably gets broken again. Dude is 33 this season and injury prone. Those guys do NOT get healthier

YOU were saying that Cleveland might not make it to 32, not 63. You also said he’d be a top 20 pick in any other draft.

Just because there are a shit ton of T’s doesn’t mean they’re going to all go in the first 2 rounds. Niang was considered a 1st round talent and we got him in the ****ing 3rd.

Nobody is projecting Little, Hudson, and Smith to all be gone before 63. Literally nobody is. Yet you seem to think they will all be gone based on nothing but a hunch. The same hunch you had with Cleveland.

I’m even saying that if there is an anomaly and half the league decides to take a T in the first 2 rounds, sure you can trade up in the 2nd to secure a guy like Little. I have no problem with that.

The point is, I’m not reaching for a T at 31. Are you seriously advocating for taking a T at 31 no matter what? Even if they have a stop gap? That’s just dumb dude.

There ya go

This thread is gonna be hilarious when we're back in the Super Bowl next February

If Veach wants to move up...

we can get up to around 22-23 for a third

Up to 18-19 for a second

Maybe as high as 11th overall using next years first to move up

I guess it all depends on how many prospects Veach has that he thinks have above average starting LT quality and where the run on them begins.

If he wants to move up...

There's no reason he absolutely has to.

I don't think anyone would be shocked about us being in the superbowl even if this off season hasn't gone the way we wanted so far. That's kind of the perks of having the best qb in the league.

All of the LT’s will be gone unless you get a project that requires time. Okung is finicky at best. He’s a broke dick so excuse me for not wanting a huge project to be filling in on protect our 500 million dollar QB when Okung gets hurt again.

Bc at this point it’s not “if” with Okung. It’s “when”

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I wonder how much time Veach has spent contemplating calling Antonio Browns agent.

If it weren’t for off field stuff, he’d be an amazing fit here for a 1 year deal for minimal investment.

Then stop bitching like a toddler who got his toy taken away.

If I were Veach, I'd sign Okung, draft a guy like Walker Little (very similar situation to Niang last year) or Radunz, someone like that.

And I'd keep in touch with Fisher and his rehab.

It's doubtful Fisher could be ready game one, but probably could play mid to late season.

Schwartz has been extremely positive about KC and has even reached out to new players (Long and Thuney) about if they would like any help in KC. I think he’s going to retire, as we kinda suspected.

I’m not sure how Fisher would feel about coming back for what would be a short term deal after being cut for getting injured on the field.

I’d agree that Okung would be a good signing.

But Walker Little is going to be gone because RunKC said so!

Even though just about everybody except for Kiper has him outside of the top 64...

I’d be down for that. Walker Little is probably a mid 2nd Rd pick at this point. He was mocked at 49 by Matt Miller in his most recent mock.

Ideally we can trade down, load up on more picks and get him

Ahhh there it is.

“Matt Miller has him going before 63, so that means he’s going before 63.”

Look, it’s entirely possible that he does, but 90% of the draft community has him going outside of the top 64 picks. Matt Miller having him going at 49 means absolutely nothing.

Totally off recent topic, but one guy I’d love to see in KC is Wayne Gallman. He was sneaky good for the Giants last season after Saquon went down averaging 4.6 yards per carry netting nearly 700 yards and 6 rushing tds, and he caught 20 balls. Dude has some size at over 6 feet and 215 lbs.
Gritty inside runner with some burst and a solid all-around back.

The same draft community that had Mahomes a developmental QB not worth a first? LMAO

Here’s the facts:

1.LT’s are not easy to find bc there aren’t many good ones.
2. LT’s with any quality go early in the draft bc it’s arguably the 2nd most important position on the team.
3. Players with the size, length, smarts and agility, especially at a position of strong need don’t last long.

Veach is not a sit back and wait GM. That would be Ballard. Veach has identified players at need positions time and time again and was aggressive to get them (Mahomes, Speaks, Hardman).

LT is obviously a huge need and I don’t expect him to sit on his hands while a brokedick like Okung is a ticking time bomb waiting to **** us over

Most of the draft community had Mahomes going in the 1st round at this time regardless of what their actual grades were. So I don’t really see the point you’re trying to make.

You’re literally basing this off on guy’s mock and some kind of unwritten rule. You’re completely ignoring context regarding Little and the rest of the draft board.

Niang was a 1st round talent that we got in the late 3rd. Little is a very similar prospect aside from playing LT in college and this is an even deeper T class.

You mean to tell me that Walker Little is more than am entire round better? That’s horseshit. The guy is coming off a serious injury in 2019 and didn’t even play football in 2020 in a year where there’s no combine. He’s far from a lock to be gone at 63, and even at 49 that’s within 15 picks and we could easily trade up that far without giving up a ton and it would allow us to go DE or WR at 31.

I’ve never been able to get past Matt Miller’s evaluation of Luke Joeckel in 2013.

Homeboy said he was Jonathan Ogden.

Anyone who can miss that evaluation THAT badly is someone I can’t take seriously.