ChiefsPlanet - Chiefs Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

8 weeks, and we are 16th in efficiency. Is it that hard to believe we might just be 10th in 4 weeks? 7th in 8 weeks? Don't think top 10-12 is good enough to propel KC into a SB? :hmmm:

Outside of major pieces coming back from injury, I'd be pretty surprised to see that offenses in the past have jumped from 16th to 7th in the last two months of the season, depending on the exact stat you're looking at.

My guess is that offenses are basically what they're going to be by then or even get figured out over time... but, even if they do improve, that's a huge jump statistically after 8 weeks (again, depending on the exact stat).

NinerDoug

10-30-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 10141185)

Slinging it down the field is now referred to as "Mike Vick style"?

Well, forgive me, I was thinking about our game in 2011. I think he put up over 400 yards and still lost.

Phillip Rivers last season? Interception machine.

Point: Any QB can sling it down the field all the time and put up lots of yards. Doing it with very few turnovers is restricted to a relatively small elite class of QB. You don't have one.

But he does get the job done.

Bearcat

10-30-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug (Post 10141177)

In my opinion, what you have now is consistency. Conservative consistency. And you will probably have the good games when they are necessary. You will never have Aaron Rodgers throwing 30 to 40 or more TDs a season. If that's the kind of consistency you are waiting for, give it up, it ain't gonna happen.

I understand the frustration. Went through a season and a half of it myself. It's more fun to watch a game in which your offense is scoring lots of points, than a game in which you win by your D holding your opponent's score down. It's been great since CK took over, and 99% of Niners fans are happy about it.

On the other hand, the slinging it down the field all the time Mike Vick style and losing is much less fun. Or having incompetent coaching and sucking all around. No fun at all.

But 99% of us were about 1000% happier in 2011 and 2012 than we had been in the previous eight seasons.

I hate hyperbole.

I care about scoring points when needed and about the overwhelming evidence that great defenses still have to rely on their offense to at least occasionally put up 30+ points when they're going toe to toe with the best offenses in the league.

NinerDoug

10-30-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 10141220)

I hate hyperbole.

I care about scoring points when needed and about the overwhelming evidence that great defenses still have to rely on their offense to at least occasionally put up 30+ points when they're going toe to toe with the best offenses in the league.

You're right. We've been over this before. Divisional playoff game against the Saints. The Catch III. Occasionally.

BigCatDaddy

10-30-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 10141138)

Let me put it like this. He rarely missed Vernon Davis on any kind of pass and over the last 3 seasons as a 49er I don't think Vernon Davis ever missed a game or practice due to injury.

So how come Dree Bress lit it up without time to "gel"? How come Rivers inspite of the revolving door or WR's gels with them right off the bat? How come good QB's gel so quickly and medicore QB's take years to "gel"?

Warner with the Cards?

Gannon with Raiders?

Is it time to gel or is that Alice isn't a good QB?

Mr. Plow

10-30-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 10141220)

We are at a point where the question to ask is "Can our defense stop the top offenses?" Because that is the key question. If the answer to it is "Yes", then our offensive production COULD be sufficient for long term success. If the answer to that question is "No", we are in trouble.

Can our defense hold Denver under 45 points or whatever the **** they are scoring a game? Yeah, I think we can. But, can our defense keep them in the 14-24 point range?

Mr. Plow

10-30-2013 01:00 PM

I don't watch it, but the Pro Bowl must be horribly boring without all the gelling that is needed for an offense to work.

l4z4rd

10-30-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 10141254)

I don't watch it, but the Pro Bowl must be horribly boring without all the gelling that is needed for an offense to work.

The Pro Bowl is a glorified exhibition game. It's high scoring because the defense doesn't give a ****.

JF08	10-30-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10140885)

Right! I think he needs to look at Brees first year in New Orleans and how long it took for him to gel with the new team LMAO

Great! Let's just trade for Brees!

NinerDoug

10-30-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 10141254)

I don't watch it, but the Pro Bowl must be horribly boring without all the gelling that is needed for an offense to work.

Pretty much. I don't watch it either.

BigCatDaddy

10-30-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JF08 (Post 10141274)

Great! Let's just trade for Brees!

You're missing the point. Good QB's are good QB's off the bat, they don't 8 weeks to "gel".

Mr. Plow

10-30-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by l4z4rd (Post 10141271)

The Pro Bowl is a glorified exhibition game. It's high scoring because the defense doesn't give a ****.

Clearly I was serious.

Bearcat

10-30-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug (Post 10141236)

You're right. We've been over this before. Divisional playoff game against the Saints. The Catch III. Occasionally.

Yep, and when it was brought up 2 months ago, I said I'd like to see that more... a few times over 8 years with the 49ers doesn't really mean much right now. Like I said a little bit ago, any average quarterback can have a good or even great day.

Denver twice, Indy, at least one playoff game, maybe the Chargers or Redskins... no reason to keep saying he's capable of having a good game (when no one has been arguing that) when he'll surely have a couple of chances to prove himself in the 2nd half of the season.

Bearcat

10-30-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 10141243)

Yep, it takes a really damn good defense to make up for a mediocre offense, and maybe that's what the Chiefs have this season... they've certainly shown it up to this point, and given one game, I'd be pretty confident they could win a game against one of the top offenses... over the course of a post season though (whether it's this season, next, whatever) against the best QBs in the league each week, you really do need a once in a decade kind of defense.

BossChief

10-30-2013 01:21 PM

They are hitting Alex hard on NFL insiders.

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