You guys are probably right. Or left. Whatever. i know we've faced a couple different QB this season that like rolling out, one likes the left, the other the right. It gets confusing sometimes. Whichever way Allen doesn't like (I'm sure Spags isn't confused), we push him that way and get some pressure on him while he tries to escape, and try to force him to make a mental mistake. Or throw the ball away. Either way is a win for the defense.

IMO, this type of game-plan frustrates Allen. And over the course of the game that frustration can reap dividends. If Spags can get in his head and keep frustrating him, Allen should start making mistakes. And those mistakes should translate into INTs or other turnovers. Which are far better than sacks. Give me the ball back. Who cares if we have a crooked number in the "sack" stat line.

And the best way to execute that plan is for the defense to play extremely disciplined football. Stay in your lane, keep Allen contained, send an occasional but well-timed extra blitzer, and let HB/Thornhill/Sneed/Breeland/Sorenson ball-hawk.

Sacks are for stats mavens. Turnovers win games.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No disrespect to a “tackle” but that shit doesn’t feed my family, “sacks”do. New team, new system, doubles, chips, etc. IRRELEVANT. Save the excuses, success in the league isn’t driven with excuses. ♥️🏁<br>-Black Elvis</p>&mdash; Frank Clark (@TheRealFrankC_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_/status/1178445220410789889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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You're witty response is to bring up a twaddle from 14 months ago?

Yay. Kudos for being able to find something that's nearly a year-and-a-half old, and not relevant to the actual current conversation.

It's relevant. That goes to show that Frank himself likely isn't even satisfied with his play.

We can try and sweep it under the rug all we want because ultimately we won, but if we had lost, he'd have shared a lot of the blame for no-showing in the backfield.

If we lose because we constantly lost the edge and let Allen get out of the pocket and make plays, but Frank had 3 sacks, you good?

Why do you act like it's one or the other? You pay a player $100mil because you believe he can do both the stat sheet impact plays and the "hidden" plays.

What kind of question is this? Lol

Frank Clark got a $100m deal. He's an edge rusher. He is expected to set the edge against the run AND have a meaningful impact on the pass rush.

Dude's taking up $26m of cap space next season. We need more than an edge-setter in run defense.

That twit thing was written in SEPT. 2019.

$26 million?

Have Clark and Mathieu swap salaries next year. Even afterward, Clark would still be overpaid.

I have not problem with that, but if he was just concentrating on sacks vs. the Browns, we would have probably lost. Baker gets rid of the ball fast and we had limited pressure up the middle if he lingered in the pocket. My point being, it appears Spags is coaching them to be deliberate in their responsibilities, and we prefer to get pressure more from intermittent blitzes from our LB's and DB's. The stats aren't going to get Frank another big contract, I agree, but he is playing fairly well within the scope of the defense and what Spags is asking of our D. Dee Ford would be far less effective, let alone be on the field, and if he was healthy he would probably have quite a few sacks, but our D would be worse for having him. I wish Frank was both for the amount of his contract, I get it, but he is way better than Dee Ford...

Yeah, back when Clark was also not getting sacks and generally producing well under his pay rate.

:rolleyes:

What are you, my ex-wife? Why do you insist on bringing up shit from over a year ago?

"No! I don't remember what color socks you were wearing the day before we got married! GTFOH!"

You're still misrepresenting the argument here which is a big part of the issue. Frank Clark is getting paid like an elite DE. An elite DE absolutely should be able to cover all of the normal responsibilities of the position while also being a consistent nightmare in pass rush. You keep talking about it as if it's gotta be one or the other and that's simply not the case.

I think the bolded is bullshit, by the way. No D.C. would prefer to get pressure from a blitzer over their down linemen. We send blitzes because we're unable to generate a consistent pass rush from the front four.

So you think a year later he thinks that he got paid $100mil to set the edge and that doubling/chipping is a good excuse?

Btw, he got doubled like once or twice and only because we rushed 3 and a lineman went to find work.

When? Vs. CLE? No. He was also chipped constantly. Just between both Hunt and Chubb, I watched them wheel around the end to put a shoulder on him probably more than half a dozen times. Watched Hooper chip him as well, iirc. Not sure how many times.

And I think I don't know what Clark thinks. Don't know the man. I guess you do? But even if you did, you think that people don't change their minds, or evolve their thinking in 16 months?

Are you really that dumb?

what I do know for a fact though, is that last season I reviewed/logged every Frank Clark snap in a game (don't remember exactly which one now, but I might bother to look it up), and out of 24 possible pass-rushing snaps, Clark only actually rushed the passer 9-10 times. And out of those 9-10 times, he only had a realistic chance at getting to the QB 7-8 times.

Of course that's just one game. I actually did that for two games, but that's still an extremely small sample size to accurately judge anything. And I fully believe that his actual pass rushes probably vary from game to game for a variety of reasons.

But as for what I really think, I think that Clark, Jones, and Mathieu bought into Spags' scheme 100% at some point last season, and now they do what they're asked. When you watch the KC defense during the BAL game, the discipline for the DL is about as high and consistent as I've ever seen, by any DL unit, period. This season we've seen Clark and Jones drop into coverage as edge rushers on the same play. We've seen Clark chase/cover TEs during games. Khalen Saunders play MLB.

Do i think that Clark would have more sacks if he simply rushed the QB on every passing play? probably. But that's not how Spags is using him, obviously. Instead, we've actually seen Clark drop into coverage on obvious passing downs. Seen him play contain on other obvious passing downs. And so on. So at least several times he's had fewer potential opportunities to try to get to the passer per game.

i know that frustrates you and those that crave sacks so badly. Even bothers me a little, tbh. But it also obviously works. Certainly there's no reasonable argument that the defense was better when we had two the the league's most prolific sack artists. In fact, these past two seasons
in all areas and statistical columns the defense is significantly better than whenever we've had a top-10 sack total, correct?

I find it funny that according to you not only do opponents game plan to keep Clark from getting sacks, but Spags game plan also keeps him from getting sacks.

Also RBs go out of their way to chip him. But he also makes a circular path to the QB in order to bump the RB off his route and slow him down.

He also has a realistic chance at a sack 80% of the time he rushes the QB, but it's not in the game plan to do so. It's so convenient how no matter what happens, good or bad, you have an excuse for it.
















Btw, he also might be dealing with an injury or have crohn's.

Get another SB Ring Frank, won't bother me a bit.

Btw, I counted 3 times where he was chipped in the game.

"More than a half dozen times" LMAO

I've never seen a single post/tweet/article from a reliable team source that's supported the Crohn's disease theory. If there is one I'd like to see it.

Moving on . . .

When did I ever give a number like "80%" chance to do anything? By anyone? Please show me that post.

I have no idea off the top of my head what a pass-rushers' odds are of getting to the QB. I'd guess that the NFL average is less than 20%. For Aaron Donald maybe it's 35%. Give or take whatever.

And what's pretty funny to me is that you still refuse to just take a look for yourself. You just post whatever your feelings are about it, with no data/evidence and we're supposed to just believe that you know what you're talking about.

At least what I post is based in facts. When I'm guessing, I make it clear that I'm guessing. If I guess, I at least try to use the evidence available to formulate a reasonable theory. And if I'm proven wrong, I own that.

You sit there and post "he gets paid $100 million. He should get more sacks!
He's not getting enough sacks, so he must not be worth $100 million. Maybe the blue-sky idea that he has Crohn's might have something to do with it!"

Great, buddy. Really informative. I'm amazed by your deductive capabilities.

You said he rushes the passer 9-10 and out of those times he gets close 7-8 times. Thats 80%.

And I did take a look for myself. Here's all the pass plays Clark was in on

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Let me see how many chips/doubles you see. Maybe I'm wrong on my count. Also remember that they had their 3rd(?) string LT out there.

So here's condensed run down of the first two drives by CLE.

play no:

1) Clark lined up over the LT. Play is a off-tackle sweep to the w/Chubb. Clark schemed out of the play.

2) Clark-LT. Quick pass to Baker's R. to 85. Clark obviously playing contain or a mush rush.

3) Clark-LT. Quick pass Left. CLE runs fake sweep-R w/Chubb. Clark obligated to play the fake screen, schemed out of play

4)Clark-RT. Baker 5-step drop, pass to his right INC. Clark Chipped by Chubb

5) Clark-RT. 5 step drop-Baker, Clark chipped by Chubb

6) Clark replaced by 51.

7) Clark replaced by 51

8) Clark-RT. Baker-SG, QB run to the right, Clark blocked by 82, kind of a crack back

9) Clark-LT. Jet sweep/Right, Landry. Frank basically crashes inside and takes on the LG, never had a chance at making a play. Probably wouldn't have matter if he had rushed the T. Probably wasn't' going to catch Landry. Could call this being schemed out, but we won't for this exercise.

10) Clark-LT. SG-Baker, sacked by Sneed.

11) Clark-RT. SG-Baker. Quick pass to Baker's Left, Landry. Clark schemed out of the play.

12) 51 replaces Clark for snaps 12 thru 15

16) Clark-LT. Doubled by CLE OL 70+75

17) Clark-LT. SG-BAker, screen to Chubb

18) Clark-LT. Baker's throw deflected, catches his own pass. Clark makes TFL.


In the first 18 CLE offensive plays, Clark actually plays 12. He is schemed out of 3 plays. Doubled twice. Chipped twice. Gets blocked in the back (actually kind of his shoulder, from his blind side). And cleans up a play after a deflection.

Number of legitimate snaps Clark rushed the passer: 3

Leaving this here for safe keeping, until NFL.com comes back up for me, so I can finish this.

I just watched play 4 and 5 and those are two of the worst "chip blocks" I've ever seen. Chubb literally reaches out and taps Clark on his shoulder on number 4 and Hunt grazes Clark with his elbow. Clark was in no way hampered by those lousy attempts and was already being handled by the OT.

Really wish I could figure out how to embed those clips. Though not being able to slow down the replay is inconvenient.

In the first video:
1) schemed out of play.
2) schemed out of play by fake sweep
3) Chip/Chubb
4) Chip/Chubb
5) Jet Sweep
6) Sneed gets sack
7) RUSH. Baker gets rid of ball in less than 3 seconds, throws to his left
8) RUSH. Baker bounces twice and passes right, again away from 55
9) screen pass middle left of field.
10) Baker deflection to himself. 55 TFL
11) RUSH.
12) CHIP/27
13) DOUBLE
14) RUSH. 55 twist, Baker misfires deep right, may have felt the pressure from either 55 or Okafor?
15) RUSH. CLE LT simply blocks up well.
16) 55 jams TE (Njoku?) at the snap.
17) MUSHNRUSH
18) contain

You do get that by the time the chip is delivered the ball is out a split second later, right? And that all the chip really has to do is either force the pass-rusher back the other way/prevent him from rushing more downfield, protecting the Tackle's outside shoulder? A chip doesn't have to be devastating. All it has to do is force the rusher to change direction or slow him down. Baker got the ball out in under 3 seconds anyway. DT couldn't get a sack on those snaps.

you must have missed this from my post:

The stats aren't going to get Frank another big contract, I agree, but he is playing fairly well within the scope of the defense and what Spags is asking of our D.

2nd video:

1) Lined up/LT. From SG-Baker throws left 3s. 55 delayed rush
2) LT. throws middle 2.0s. 55 defends HB flat
3) LT. Throws R. LT+TE on 55.
4) RT. Throws right. 55 gets pressure, forces Baker to step and escape, throws INT
5) LT. FAKE SWEEP-L. 55 SCHEMED OUT OF PLAY
6) RT. DEFENDS HB SCREEN
7) RT. DEFENDS SWEEP, THEN DROPS INTO COVERAGE
8) RT. 55 takes steep rush, think he's trying to create a gap for DD, but Hunt picks him up. Nice play by Hunt
9) TRICKED ME HERE. THIS IS A HB-DIVE-R. NOT A PASSING PLAY.
10) LT. 55 DEFENDS FAKE SWEEP, THEN DROPS INTO COVERAGE.
11) LT. Contain rush?
12) LT. rush.
13) LT. 55 gets press. Baker makes a great throw
14)LT. Think I have 14 and 15 flipped or something. On one of them he beats the T cleanly to the side, gets pressure.
15)
16) mushrush or something
17) contain?
18) CHIP-TE
19) not sure what 55 is doing here.
20) defends the screen. Have it starred so something good happened. Oh, this was the screen I was talking yesterday. 55 goes into what's probably a mush rush, recognizes the HB screen, jumps back and covers Chubb. Baker is forced to throw the ball away. Nice piece of football by 55.

So I got 4 chips, a double team (thought I had two, but no matter), a TE jam @LoS, at least 7 mush-rush/contain rushes, 7 HB flat/screens defended, 3? designed rushes to create a gap for DD or another defender, and 8-9 of what I think are actual pass-rushes by 55.

Feels about right. Didn't realize during the game just how many fake sweeps CLE attempted.

Yeah I counted 3 chips and that was with me counting the Hunt play as a chip because I guess he touches Clarks arm? whereas I dont even think Chubb touches him at all in his play.

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Bottom line is he doesn't get chipped or doubled anywhere enough to use that as an excuse. And the whole rushing upfield thing on purpose makes no sense when as Megatron says, cleveland is trying to make quick passes. All that does is allow a throwing lane and gives him an extra second or so if he needs it.

Hope we see "playoff Clark" these next two games, but after next year, we need to cut him or see if he can agree to a paycut. Yes he does the fundamental things right which is good and does give the defense some stability, but he's paid to also make impact plays and stat sheet plays which he isn't really showing he's capable of.

Baker's average time between snap and throw: 2.2 seconds.

So you agree that saying he was looping around on purpose makes no sense? If a QB is getting the ball out that fast, its better off to just stay in front and try to bat the ball down if the ball is coming out that quickly. Especially when the RBs were using the lane created by Frank Clarks wide rushes to start their route.

Which is great for a guy making average NFL salary not for a guy w Frank's contract.

Don't worry though, according to the homers 'playoff Clark' is about to be unleashed!

On at least one of those odd loop rushes, it looked like the idea was to give DD a free rush, but Hunt saw him, twisted inside to the inside of the RT, and picked it up. On a couple (maybe 3?), I don't think it was a real rush; I think he was defending against a possible roll out. A couple others, I think it's obvious that 55 is avoiding a chip if he went inside. The others, I can't decide what he was trying to do.

But they had him that wide for a reason. Spags/Daly had a week to study CLE, so yeah, they knew that the ball was going to come out fast. Clark would obviously know he couldn't get home lined up as wide as he was on some of those snaps.

It occurs to me right now that it might have been to prevent him from getting caught inside on those fake sweeps? That's what happened to PIT's DEs a few times, iirc.

Which worked. Clark successfully defended or helped defend most of those fake sweep/HB flat pass plays, and the screens to his side. And CLE attempted about 8 or 9 of them. Around 30% of the pass plays Clark was on the field, they tried to scheme him out of the play.

They didn't try to scheme him out of shit. They treated him just like any other weak side defensive end. I think you misinterpret them running plays the side Clark isn't on as them trying to scheme him out of a play when in reality they're just running plays to their strong side. Has nothing to do with Clark specifically.

I still think something is physically wrong with him.

He's not the same guy, and it's not like he's a low effort individual, or old enough to fall off the cliff.

Something is not right.

He needs to leave it all on the field and play to his contract these last two games of the season, and we may need to take the best OLB we can get in the draft to replace him in the coming year or two. We locked him down so he could help handle the defensive side with Chris Jones and Tyrann Mathieu, the Landlord is holding up his end of the bargain and Chris Jones has at least flashes or disruption, but 6 sacks, tied for 41st in the league is a definite step back and won't be tolerated in the future. If all he wanted was money and a ring and now he has nothing left to prove, then good for him, but he won't get into the hall of fame and he will be forgotten eventually for only putting forth one year of greatness to get it, then nothing afterwards.

Get a life, people.

And don't quit your day job.

I agree. He's not the same player he was in Seattle, it's pretty easy to see.

At this point is it really worth complaining about him anymore? He is what he is. I'm not personally expecting much from him. Going into next season we face a cap crunch and his $26 million salary isn't helping any, but that's another story for another day. We know what we're getting from him right now, he's a sunk cost, and I think we can still win it all even with him not living up to his contract.

You've got a great point. He's here through next year.

Maybe they'll restructure this offseason to lower his cap hit and kick the can down the road or maybe they'll ride it out and let him go after next season.

Either way, we can't change any of it and we shouldn't let it color what is quickly becoming the new golden era of Chiefs football.

Something is wrong there. I dunno what, but he's just not the same.

Which is even more reason to move on or take a pay cut or something.

Frank is gonna beast on setting the edge Sunday!!

Mark it down.

Then why did they run 9 fake sweeps/screens at him?

What? Why do you think he specifically dictated anything that they did and it had nothing to do with them just running plays to their strong side which he as a weak side DE doesn't line up on?

Like I said,it's funny how according to you both Spags and the opposing OCs scheme to keep him from making impact plays. Really convenient.

If he takes a large pay cut, that would be cool. He's a solid player. But if not, see yah, thanks for the 5 sacks in he 2019 playoffs.

That's where I'm at.

I agree. He was coming off the ball very quickly the first month of the season, then he disappeared.
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Last year, Clark was a beat in the playoffs. He struggled the first half of the season, finished with 8 sacks but then had five in 3 playoff games. Thus, he had 13 sacks in 19 games.

The cap hit makes that impossible.

Another thing: I didn't come up with idea that teams were scheming Clark. That actually was Baldinger last season. I just picked up on it and brought it here. Tbh, I never would've seen it without an expert like Baldy pointing it out. And no, it wasn't a film study about Clark. It was a film study about how offenses can scheme to neutralize problem defenders. Clark was just mentioned during the clip, alone with AD, JJ Watt, etc.

Not after 2021.

He can renegotiate now, lower the cap hit, and kick the can down the road.

Or they can cut him next year.

Nah. Tell him he's either taking a outright pay cut or getting cut from the roster as soon as it's feasible.

Well, they can tell him to take a pay cut now and he can just refuse. They can't cut him now, his dead cap hit would be a nightmare $38M, so they don't really have the leverage to request an outright pay cut.

They've got to give him some incentive to renegotiate now, or ride it out to next year, when they actually can cut him and his dead cap hit drops to $12M.

Seriously. He got neutralized by Blake ****ing Hance, an undrafted G they signed last week that's been practice squad fodder his entire career. All things considered this is probably his most embarrassing performance as a Chief.

Bro, do you even watch the games!!!1!ONE!!

Good thing we have Danna and Wharton bc Clark and Jones have been ass this year.

Chris Jones has his lowest sack total since 2017 and in 7 playoff games he has yet to have a sack.

I predict he'll have a sack either this game or in the superbowl and people are going to start the "See he shows up in big games!!!!!" even though he'll be right at his 1 sack every 3 games pace.

Dude, the guy had multiple passes defensed in the playoffs last year and was disruptive in every game. It's not like he's fallen off a cliff. Matching his 2017 sack total will be really ****ing hard to do, that was one of the best seasons by an IDL ever.

You wanna bust on Clark go ahead but Chris Jones is a man amongst boys and every advanced metric shows him as such.

Yeah, that's not gonna cut it.

He really needed to have a performance like last year but 1 game has already come and gone so he's not going to repeat that.

Even if Clark was meeting expectations I would look hard at DE with our 1st pick.

This draft is LOADED with DE talent and a guy that can affect the QB is something you grab when the opportunity presents itself.

If Clark continues to disappoint then we have a cheap replacement for a few years. If he plays well then teams are dead!

Not defending Jones, because he certainly had a handful of WTF games this year.

But I like how for some reason RunKC and a few others are quick to defend Clark by saying, "Oh yeah? Well Chris Jones sucks too!"

Chris Jones has done way more the Kansas City Chiefs than Frank ****ing Clark. And that includes last year, too. Jones has earned a much longer leash because of his multiple years of excellent play with the team, and it's kind of pathetic that in a Frank Clark Sucks thread, they constantly attempt to shift the blame over to Jones as well.

All you have to show is the pass rush win rate compared with how often a player is double teamed as shown in the other thread about needing another DE. Jones gets double teamed more often than Clark and yet still had the highest pass rush win rate in the league from the interior after Donald (if I'm reading the chart right).

Clark gets doubled way less than Jones yet still has one of the lower pass rush win rates in the league. Zero comparison. I agree that sacks aren't the end all be all, which is why even though Jones only has 1.5 more sacks than Clark their contributions to the defense are in no way comparable. It doesn't mean Jones had a perfect season, but he was a hell of a lot better than Clark.

Chris Jones and Frank Clark are the 2 highest paid players on this team not named Patrick Mahomes.

Sorry but when you’re getting paid that much you better get results. And you guys only do this shit with Frank which is odd.

And no Chris Jones has not done more than Frank Clark. It’s astonishing that you forget that Chris Jones missed a playoff game last year and Frank Clark had 2 sacks and multiple pressures without him.

It’s odd that we only bitch about Frank when Sammy ****ing Watkins can’t even get on the field half of the season and Chris Jones isn’t performing.

You get paid to get sacks and get results. Not one ****ing good play a game.

Chris Jones was 4th in pressures this year behind TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, and Joey Bosa.

2nd team all pro (could easily argue for him to be 1st team)

Passes the eye test. He's consistently in the backfield being disruptive.

He actually gets double teamed, a lot. I'm not talking some half ass shoulder tap by a RB as he's running by. He has multiple O lineman attempting to block him and he still makes plays.

Frank Clark wishes he was even close to as talented as Chris Jones.

Chris Jones has gotten results. He's an ass kicker. I don't know what we're arguing.

RunKC doesn't like Jones and tries to whataboutism any Clark criticism to Jones. Been a trend since last year.

Jones wrecked shit on 2 of the 3 final defensive snaps....he earned his money last game.

There's whole ****ing threads about Watkins, WTF are you talking about?

And Chris Jones is the 2nd best IDL in the league, OBJECTIVELY. You're just being stupid about this.

:bravo:

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Keep ****ing doubting Chris Jones.

My point is Frank Clark doesn't ****ing suck... As I said before, his current numbers obviously don't support his contract, but he is a solid part of the defense setting the edge and is a big part of the improvement in our run defense. I think Jones is playing very well this year, despite his sack numbers being down. A lot of his sacks in previous years were at the expense of run defense as he would guess and jump gaps that weren't his responsibility. He is way better as a run defender this year with makes him a much better overall defender despite a decrease in sacks.

My point being, if we could have Frank's rush defense and 9-10 sacks this year, and 1 in each playoff game, I would take that in a heartbeat over Dee Fords 13 sacks in 2018. The Chiefs lead the league in sacks with 52 under Bob Sutton in 2018...Think about how meaningless that stat was with our shitty defense that year. Is Frank Clark not living up to his salary, yes, but does he ****ing suck, no, not even close.

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At this point I'd mud wrestle my own grandmother if Frank Clark would just give us one good play a game.

People here bitch about Mecole Hardman more than Sammy Watkins and Mecole has more production than Sammy.

A lot of CP is just here to bitch. Look at the threads they start: "let's bitch about Hardman," "Let's bitch about Watkins," "Let's bitch about Frank Clark," "Can we please bitch about Butker," "I want to bitch about the defense," etc. and so on.

Even when the guy plays well, they bitch.

These guys are the 10% of potential buyers we used to always talk about in sales. You could walk up to one of these 10%ers and offer them a 50-lb. bar of solid gold in exchange for a $20 bill, and they'd find twenty reasons to bitch about the deal. Some people are just born to be unhappy.

Huh...funny, I don't see a lot of people bitching about Mahomes, CEH, Hill, Kelce, Fisher, Jones (save for RunKC), Wharton, Breeland, Mathieu, Sneed, etc. It's almost like people bitch about underperforming players. Wild concept I know.

People wanted a 100mil player to play like a 100mil player. People wanted Sammy to stay healthy. People wanted Mecole to take the next step. People wanted Butker to not set the record for missed XPs.

Why do people have a problem with praising the players who deserve praise and criticism when they deserve it. It's the whole point of a discussion board. I've said before, maybe if you don't want to read about Frank Clark not living up to the hype, you shouldn't click on a thread titled "Frank Clark ****ing sucks". It really isn't hard. You can spend your whole day in the Mahomes and Kelce threads and read nothing but great things, yet you're here....

The Shark better attack on Sunday!

Playoff Sammy always makes it worth it

I hope he has one more in him.

Do they?

Watkins has been controversial ever since he got to KC entirely because of his contract. Not everybody was on board with paying a guy with his injury history that much money, and every time he gets a boo boo and misses a game or two, the "I wish we'd move on from Sammy" wagon gains more passengers.

Hardman maybe screws up a bit here or there, and people get pissy about those plays, but the general hate thrown his way like you claim isn't there at all like it might be for Watkins.

That's just not true.

The Mecole people are much more vocal but they're fewer in number by far.

I wouldn't expect to see much from him this week, I think this week the defense line will be doing more containment than attacking.

But, he doesn't suck. That's the point. It's a really dumb thread title.

He kinda sucks...