I actually like Matt Miller even though he has some really bad misses (Goff for example), but to think you know where somebody is going in the draft based on his 2nd round mock is ****ing silly.

I do, too.

But every time he comes up, especially on offensive line, I remember that he watched Joeckel and the best comparison he could think of was Jon Ogden - maybe the most physically imposing and gifted LT in the past 25 years.

There’s the difference. Niang was a RT prospect. Little is a LT. Gigantic difference. Everyone knows LT is far more valued, especially in the draft.

And the injuries are NOT the same. Little is fully recovered and can do physicals/full workouts for teams at any time. Niang was not able to do anything at the combine or draft season bc he was still recovering from his hip surgery. And that’s likely what made him fall

If you can bring in guys like Okung, Ingram and Reynolds before the draft....then I could see them going OT, DE and WR in the first three rounds. Obviously not in that order.

If Reiter comes back then I could see them finding a guy in the 4th to 5th round range, like a Drake Jackson or Michael Menet, that could sit for most of the year and develop for next year.

Umm Niang actually played football in 2019.

Little was completely out of football and played less football in 2019 as well.

Niang also wasn’t considered a RT only prospect, and I’ve acknowledged that Little played LT so there’s a difference there, but it’s not an entire ****ing round difference.

But hey you know where everybody is going on draft day! You’re the expert! Just look at Ezra Cleveland who you claimed wouldn’t even be available at 32 and he went 26 picks later! “Top 20 pick any other year”, right?

Fun fact:

Walker Little has played exactly 1 game in the last 2 years. Your read that right. 1 ****ing game in 2 years. You have to go back to 2018 just to watch tape on the guy.

How the **** could anybody claim to know that he’s going to be gone before the 63rd pick in a draft that’s absolutely loaded at T?

LMAO

Niang’s situation was common knowledge to people following him last spring and pretty common to any Chiefs fan once we drafted him and looked at his story:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lat...lf%3f_amp=true

JFC RunKC you aren’t telling me anything I’m not already aware of dude. The problem is you think the situation for Little is somehow significantly better.

Niang actually played several games in 2019. That’s the point I was trying to make. He has still played more college games in the last 2 years than Little has. I mean just think about that for 1 ****ing second.

Lol do I need to draw pictures for you? Maybe color them?

Niang got ****ed bc he had surgery and then covid happened. He wasn’t able to do anything at the combine but medicals. Then the country shut down and he couldn’t have a pro day, visit teams or anything in person. That lead to a false perception of fear.

Did I mention his hip injury is more worrisome than Little’s?

Walker Little just had a pro day. People saw him in person and know what he looks like.

This isn’t hard. Niang scared the shit out of GM’s bc they could never find anything out about him through the process. That’s completely different this year now that covid doesn’t have this country on complete lockdown.

You know what, you can go **** yourself you dumb hard headed son of a bitch. It’s like you aren’t even acknowledging the point I’m trying to make.

Walker Little has played 1 ****ing game of football since 2018. 1 ****ing game.

You think a ****ing Pro Day somehow changes that? Did he play football at his Pro Day?

I understand the difference in the injuries and the concerns there. I’m not saying Little is going to last as long as Niang. That’s not the ****ing point and you keep disingenuously acting like it is.

Show me one ****ing prospect in the history of the draft that played 1 game in the last 2 years before it yet went in the first 64 picks.

I’ll wait...

From what I heard he underwhelmed and plum performed poorly on that pro day according to the likes of Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Louis Riddick. I have wondered about Little for a while now. From what those guys are saying he will be late 2cd day or early 3rd day most likely.

Which is to be expected when he hasn’t played football in 2 years. It’s understandable, but he doesn’t scream 2nd round lock whatsoever.

If true he would be a project. We need someone capable to step in at LT assuming Okung is signed. That guy is an old broke dick an once he gets hurt again we could be in the same position as the Super Bowl.

Haven't spent much time on him but the little I saw was unimpressive. This guy living on early reputation.

LMAO

So before he was so valuable that we couldn’t even wait till 63, but now he’s not even good enough for 63?

Okung and Little is about as good as it’s going to get dude. I don’t know what more you can expect.

That gives you 2 solid stop gaps at LT/RT and your bookends of the future.

Niang also has the ability to play LT so you’d have 2 young’s guys that you can develop from day 1 and you throw the best guy out there if something happens to Okung.

What do oh think is a better solution? Reaching for Eichenberg at 31? I suppose you can trade up, but again you can’t force yourself into a trade up.

Run is obsessed with combine numbers. Many times they mean jack shit

There was no combine so that’s not the case here.

He’s going off of this rule that he’s made in his head where any LT we can possibly get at 63 has to be a huge project because reasons!

This isn’t a corner or G or LB. It’s LT aka the 2nd most important position on the goddamn team.

Forgive me for not trusting an old broke dick like Okung to be worth it all season. And if Walker Little is a “project” then trade the **** up.

There’s 5 LT’s slated to be quality first rd players this year. I would absolutely trade up to get one for the next 8-10 years if my scouts thought he was good enough.

But nah man. Roll with a broke dick who likely won’t even make it to January and then move around the OL to have them play positions they aren’t comfortable with? We saw what happened last time we did that.

Highly doubt Andy and Veach want anything to do with that plan

I don’t think Walker Little is a “project”. I think he’s a guy that hasn’t played football in almost 2 years.

There’s a difference.

And nobody is saying you count on Okung for 16+ games. At the very least he buys you time to get Niang and/or Little ready. That’s the point.

But just to be clear, you’re saying you will force yourself into a trade up or take the best LT available, correct? It doesn’t matter how high you have to trade, what you’re giving up, or what’s available you’re 100% going all in for need?

I’ve said that I’m open to trading up, but that’s also depending on other factors beyond “we need a LT so we HAVE to do it”.

Exactly.

It would be one thing if the Chiefs were trading up in the first while giving up multiple high round picks for an Orlando Pace, a 10+ year left tackle destined for the Hall of Fame or at least the Chiefs Ring of Fame.

But it's something different altogether if they're doing the same for a Riley Reiff.

Yea I’m all for trading up for a guy like Cosmi or Jenkins if they slip a little, but I’m not forcing myself into doing anything.

I’m also not forcing myself into taking the best LT available.

Those are panic moves. Veach is aggressive, but he’s also selective. He’s not going to trade up for a LT. He’s going to trade up for his guy at LT. The same goes for if they stay at 31.

Unfortunately this is the situation we find ourselves in. We need a LT and backup plan. It just depends on the prospects. If Cosmi or Jenkins are there then I wouldn’t mind moving up.

We’re in a weird spot right now but there’s a great OT class next month. That’s probably our best shot for next season and beyond

We need a damn WR. I’m having nightmares of what this offense would look like with either Hill or Kelce not on the field.

It’s early it’s early I know.

Revan is projected to be a RT/OG in the pros

I think they bring Sammy back and they’re pretty high on Antonio Callaway.

We need WR very high though, possibly round 1. Get some OL right after.

He reminds of Cody Ford who has flopped at tackle so far.

Kyle Fuller officially released.

Would take him or Adoree gladly. Afraid Denver will go get him. He’s 29 so wouldn’t want anything beyond a couple years.

Broncos will throw it all at Fuller with Fangio there.

Any tackle you get beyond the top 20-24 or so is usually a project.
Most starters in the NFL were taken at or before that range or in the 4th and developed.

Run has legitimate reasons he's not articulating.

I'm not advocating KC not take a tackle in the 2nd or 3rd or wherever there is value but I can say that probabilities are not in your favor to get a starter for 2021 if you don't go up in 1.

So, if you don't want to lock yourself into that scenario, the only realistic options are to 1) sign a vet right now and the only vet with schematic fit at LT really is Okung or 2) trade for a vet and there aren't many realistic options there.

It's especially frustrating that the Chiefs didn't sign Reiff after missing on Williams. Sign Okung and hope he stays healthy? Trade for Dillon and hope he's grown into a starting caliber lineman? Sign Roderick Johnson who's looked good in limited reps but better at RT? Hope like hell that Niang can play LT?

None of those options look as appealing to me as trading a 2nd and 4th or whatever it happens to take to move up for Sam Cosmi in the 20 range.

Can KC sit at 31 and get a LT for 2021? More than Probably not. The Chiefs aren't the only team that needs a LT right now, so they will be hot commodities. We know that the Chargers, Vikings, Colts, and Steelers need LTs and we know that the Cowboys, Bears, Redskins, and Jaguars could be players.

Round one LTs look to be Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, and Cosmi. After that, a bunch of RTs and a fall off to guys like Radunz, Hudson, Little, etc that should be late 2nd-4th round guys. No trade up means a developmental guy later.

It just doesn't look that great for letting the board fall to you theories.

Yeah it’s a bit different to sit and wait for a wr or corner. LT is just a spot that you usually either invest high picks in or get lucky and get a late rounder to develop (rare)

Veach is always aggressive so if there’s one they like I’d imagine they explore trading up and grabbing him

I certainly don’t think Little is a day 1 starter because he’s been out of football for so long, but I also don’t think he’s a “project”. There’s a difference.

You guys sound like you’re coming from a place of desperation and are trying to force a trade up. It might not “look that great for letting the board fall to you theories”, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to go the panic route either.

If this team goes into TC with Okung, Remmers, Niang, and Little (Tega Wanogho too) they are FAR better off at T than they were when they cut Fisher and Schwartz.

Worst case scenario, you can always sign Fisher once he’s healthy if something happens to Okung. I don’t think anybody is going to sign him anytime soon, so that should remain an option as well.

Is it ideal? Obviously not. Ideal would’ve been signing Williams, but that didn’t happen.

I also don’t think it’s a guarantee that trading up for Cosmi or somebody like that solves our LT issues day 1 either. Cosmi might take some time to get ready to play just like Niang and Little. There are no day 1 guarantees when you’re talking about rookies. The best we can do is add a stop gap and make sure we get a T somewhere in the first 2 rounds.

I just don’t see how you can go into a draft telling yourself you HaVE to trade up or you HAVE to take the best LT available at 31. You won’t ever get me to agree with a panic/desperation move like that.

If they think there’s a guy that kicks down the LT spot for the next however long that’s in range of a trade up, they’ll do it. That’s not desperation that’s getting your guy.

Getting your future at LT is worth it if you have to trade some picks that aren’t likely to be anything anyway

You are correct

What is wrong with Liam Eichenberg??? Can he play LT in the NFL? Franchise are you the Notre Dame guy around here???

I never said they wouldn’t. I also never said I wouldn’t. I’m talking about the idea that we HAVE to. Yes, that’s the definition of desperation.

Keep up dumbass.

They aren’t gonna sit and wait for a LT or bandaid it up.

Veach isn’t a bandaid type gm

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So you think Veach is going into this draft thinking “I HAVE to trade up for a LT, regardless of where, which one, or what I’m giving up”.

I’m not saying that he won’t trade up, or that he won’t try to, I’m saying he’s not going to do it out of panic or desperation like some are implying we should. Nor should he.

If he’s going into the draft needing a LT, he’s not gonna sit around and wait for some protect 3rd rounder.

Whether they can trade up or not is all depending on cost

What’s “out of panic or desperation” even mean?

They don’t have a LT right now and they desperately need one. So yeah, they’ll probably have to make some moves

I never said he would. I actually even said that they will take one somewhere in the first 2 rounds for sure.

Again, keep up.

There are several teams picking in the early 20’s that need a T. Just because you want a T and are willing to trade up doesn’t mean that it’s going to be easy or even possible.

That’s why you add a guy like Okung, so you don’t force yourself into doing it in round 1. It gives the flexibility to get one in round 2 in a class that is extremely deep. You can even trade up in round 2 as well.

Yeah, keep taking to yourself and you’ll get there.

They aren’t gonna wait on the 5th best LT prospect

I think it’s self explanatory.

Veach isn’t going to trade up for a LT. He’s going to trade up for his guy. One is out of desperation, the other is calculated and selective.

Do you honestly not see the difference here? JFC.

I think it’s semantics to make you feel better.

It’s ok if they blow it out to get a great LT prospect. If they give up picks, who cares if it works out

“Semantics to make me feel better”?

LMAO

What the **** are you even talking about? Feel better about what exactly? This is what happens when you jump into the middle of a discussion and you don’t have a ****ing clue.

I’m talking about the attitude of “trade up for a LT or bust”. These kinds of decisions aren’t made like that, and if they are it’s poor decision making.

If he goes into the draft with no current plan at LT, then yes it does become desperation to some extent.

Right now, who's playing LT on this football team?

Tega Winnebago? **** no. The kid can't get off the PS on any team but he's going to suddenly become a starter? How about he just makes the team first.

Remmers? Solid RT, not so much a LT.

Niang? Don't rightly know. He's always been a RT, and looks like a good one.

Thuney? I don't think you want him out there on the regular. He can handle it in a pinch, same as Remmers, but not long term.

Rankin? Dear ****ing God, help us.

Whoever they trade up for he’s gonna say it’s his guy or whatever

They aren’t gonna say “we didn’t have a LT and had to have one” after wards.

So semantics

If they love a guy, go get him. Yeah can fill in the missing picks with later rounders and LT is more important than another lber or safety for t whatever

Hopefully it’s Okung with a rookie in the first three rounds behind him.

Shit....or Okung and trade for a guy like Dillard.

Which is exactly why he's not going to draft guys like Teven Jenkins, Alex Leatherwood, or Liam Eichenberg and nobody is really suggesting he does. They don't fit as LTs on this football team. Jenkins at RT, sure. Leatherwood at OG, sure.

Desperate and selective can walk hand-in-hand.

Right now, things are becoming more desperate than they looked a few weeks back.

This is picks 18-24:

18. Miami (10-6)
19. Washington* (7-9)
20. Chicago* (8-8)
21. Indianapolis* (11-5)
22. Tennessee* (11-5)
23. NY Jets – from Seattle* (12-4)
24. Pittsburgh* (12-4)

That’s 5 teams with a need at LT in there.

2-3 of the top T’s should already be gone. Just because you want to trade up for a guy like Cosmi, doesn’t mean you will able to. This isn’t Madden. You can’t just make a trade because you want to. It doesn’t work like that.

If you’re gonna take one early, Okung is redundant.

Scout who you want, go get him, coach him up and play him

Ummm this is all under the assumption that they also add a veteran LT like Okung.

Veach isn’t going into the draft without one.

Send next years 1 and a 3 to get to 12 or so and take darrisaw

How do you know that the 49ers are willing to trade all the way back to 31?

Okung BLOWS.. But I get your point.

I figure they go up got a qb

What? Are you drunk?

Are you saying the 49ers will go up and get a QB and we can trade with whoever ends up with the pick.

So a team picking in the top 5-10 is going to want to trade back to 12 then again all the way to 31?

You do understand he's running out of options for vets right?

Truthfully, he has little to work with.

• Okung, who is injured a lot lately but fits.
• Villanueva, who sucks in pass pro.
• Peters, who was atrocious last year and is 39.
• Tevi, who the Chargers haven't even resigned because he was a disaster.
• Johnson, who played all of one game at LT and looked ok but probably fits best as a RT and we have a few of those.
• Newhouse, who is getting exponentially worse by the season
• and a few other failures.

Okung has only played 16 games in a season once in his career. If we grab him, we need a good backup too. Can’t have Remmers playing LT.

So you think Veach goes into the draft without signing one?

Reports are that the Chiefs are looking for a veteran LT. They will sign one, and if not, that means they traded for one.

Orlando Brown too.

If he doesn't take a shot on Okung, I'd say it's very probable he does.

I have zero problem with Veach trading next years 1st and some for a quality LT.

That’s an 8-10 year investment at one of the hardest positions to fill.

Well I’d be the first to tell you that I’m very confident that Okung will be a Chief unless they’re trading for one.

Orlando Brown will require the Chiefs to trade for him. Alot for him.

If the Chiefs are going to unload draft picks for a LT, why would you not try to go get a more athletic player in the draft like Darrisaw or Cosmi first?

Nobody should have a problem with it.

But this isn’t Madden. Wanting isn’t enough to get it done. If the Bills didn’t want to trade back to 27, Mahomes wouldn’t be a Chief. It takes two to tango.

Veach already knows what teams are willing to move back and approximately how much it will cost. San Francisco is a regular trade partner. They may be willing to move out of 12 to have that 2022 1st to use to move up for a QB next year. But you're right, they may not be willing. Some team from 12-18 probably is though.

They might, and they might not. We don’t know.

And Veach might know who’s willing to trade, but that doesn’t mean he knows who will be available at those spots, and it also doesn’t mean he’s willing to give them what they want to trade down.

There are many factors that go into this and having the will to do it doesn’t mean that it’s for sure that everything comes together.

I don't know. I am guessing 1st plus something.

Normally I would be against because we have to offer big contract too.

For now we wait to see if we can sign a veteran.

Good thing is this year there is projected to be 5 quality LT’s as compared to 2-3 in a normal year

2-3 of those guys will go top 15, and there are 4-5 teams that will be looking for a LT like us in picks 18-24.

Just because you want one doesn’t mean you’ll get one.

You don’t think teams are going to want to rape us on trade value if we go into the draft with no LT and we start trying to trade up?

Going into the draft at pick 31 without a capable tackle on the roster is a bad idea.

It’d be different if we were picking top 15. But too risky otherwise. That’s how you end up trading a massive haul for a Laremy Tunsil level of LT, as Houston did a couple years back.

Ideally... I think you’d want to lock up a Melvin Ingram at DE, a LT like Okung, and a WR who is capable of starting at either X or slot so that way we don’t have to draft for need at 31.

Dude, that’s the thing, we’re already operating under the assumption that we sign Okung and people still think we need to do just that.

The market is really bare dude. Okung is about your best option and he’s a brokedick

You're drafting for need no matter what. Ingram and Okung are going to be known short-term answers. Just how short is the only question. It could be half a season. It could be one season. It isn't more than that though.

Yeah, because rolling through 2021 with Okung as the ONLY LT prospect on the team is a REAAAAALLLY good idea. Hahahaha

KPass and Speaks ****ed this team. Two 2nd round picks at DE and neither one amounted to shit.

Well I don’t think pugs is saying you don’t fill a need. You take the BPA at a position of need, as opposed to saying “we have to draft a LT at 31 or trade up for one”.