What young QB has Gruden developed?

Yeah, I mean, he won playoff games. Went to a SB with a ****ing stiff at QB, and then won a SB.

Reminds me a lot of the 90s Chiefs.

WTF, broseph? You tired?

He won the SB, with Big Ben, so I'm throwing that one out.


I agree his time in Pitt was better. I'm just tired of the shit we have now, I dunno, I'm reaching for stuff.

The only reason I'd be on board with bringing Cowher back is that he'd bring with him the physical mindset that this team has been missing.

That is when you got done playing the Chiefs you'd feel it all week going into the next game.

How could you forget about Ditka? Or Jimmy Johnson?

Too right. That's what you and I have tried to explain in the banner thread.

Cowher played young quarterbacks before he got Big Ben. O'Donnell was in his third season when Cowher got to Pittsburgh, started Kordell Stewart who they drafted in the second round. So he does have a history with playing young quarterbacks even before Big Ben.

I'd think this is a pretty good situation to come into. Some talent on the roster, the 1st overall pick.etc.

Not to mention we have a better core group of players than we had in 09 to offer.

Only reason I want someone in here asap is I want someone to be discussing things with Albert and Bowe so we don't lose some of the important parts of that core.

Wha? It's the same group four years older and minus Brandon Carr.

I would say our oline is better, with Breaston and Bowe our wr core is better. LJ isn't the rb anymore. We have two pass rushers as opposed to just Hali, who improved as a player in the 3-4 implemented in 09. There aren't any areas our team is worse than it was in 09 except for the secondary.

Let's put it this way: if Cowher is hired and he tells Bowe he's gonna draft a QB, Bowe would be a goddamn moron to not want to be here.

Sorry, didn't mean to infer that he has developed a young QB. In spite of the QB, he went to a SB in Oakland with Cannon and won one with Brad Johnson. He is an offensive minded coach, and I think that will be better for a young QB than a defensive guy. I know "talking heads" most of the time are just that ... talking ... but, his QB sessions for ESPN ... seems to indicate he knows a little about QB's.

I'm not pushing Gruden. Just saying I'd prefer him over Cowher.

I'd like a young coach that will be around for a very long time (meaning we will be winning a lot of games). But, how many first time coaches even survive for a few years? For every Jim & John Harbaugh or Sean Payton there are a bunch of Haley's, Josh McDaniels, Steve Spagnuolo, Tony Sporano, or Jack Del Rio.

Maybe the good news is that Clark now has experience of doing this and he will have learned via the process.

Thank you. **** gruden right along with Andy Reid
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He didn't take Oakland to a Super Bowl, he beat them in the super bowl