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DRM08 09-29-2019 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14489276)
Frank Clark cost; 1st, 2nd, swap 3rd with contract of $105m/63m guaranteed
Khalil Mack cost; 1st,1st,3rd,6th (Bears gets 2nd,5th back) contract $141m/90m guaranteed

Offenses don't worry about Frank Clark. They don't change their blocking scheme for Clark.

Mack is dominant, he makes QB's change their approach.

Clark isn't even a bigger threat than Justin Houston right now

Pretty much a disaster so far since Clark can't even hold Mack's jock.


It's still early though.


Maybe the Chiefs should start running stunts and twists with Jones/Clark ala Smith/Thomas.

If we are going with the Mack comparison, it's not too early to make judgments with Clark. Mack was an absolute beast on Day 1 after being traded to Chicago.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-29-2019 09:06 PM
IN for the ongoing debate.

OKchiefs 09-29-2019 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 14489664)
He’s probably just struggling to pick up the new schemes.

I choose to put a positive spin on this. This D will get better.
ROFL

What evidence do we have they'll get better? The secondary is shit, the run defense is shit, the entire unit is full of complete trash.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-29-2019 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 14489755)
ROFL

What evidence do we have they'll get better? The secondary is shit, the run defense is shit, the entire unit is full of complete trash.
Hyperbole much?

I mean I know that you and that other douche Squirreltits love to bitch for bitching's sake, but complete trash? Put the glass pipe down.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-29-2019 09:34 PM
I guess we could always go back to the Cassel years where we had a defense that wasn't "complete trash", right?

Or maybe Herm? He was very defensive-minded!

WhiteWhale 09-29-2019 09:36 PM
I think after 4 games it's entirely fair to say that Frank Clark has been underwhelming as a chief so far.

We could have gotten this from Justin Houston and not lost draft picks. It's entirely fair to expect more.

That said, we have 12 more games and 7 are at home where KC"s D tends to play much better.

Aspengc8 09-29-2019 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14489276)
Frank Clark cost; 1st, 2nd, swap 3rd with contract of $105m/63m guaranteed
Khalil Mack cost; 1st,1st,3rd,6th (Bears gets 2nd,5th back) contract $141m/90m guaranteed

Offenses don't worry about Frank Clark. They don't change their blocking scheme for Clark.

Mack is dominant, he makes QB's change their approach.

Clark isn't even a bigger threat than Justin Houston right now

Pretty much a disaster so far since Clark can't even hold Mack's jock.


It's still early though.


Maybe the Chiefs should start running stunts and twists with Jones/Clark ala Smith/Thomas.
Sounds like your not watching the games. Clark gets doubled/chipped/combo'd a ton, and sometimes they double clark and jones.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-29-2019 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14489794)
I think after 4 games it's entirely fair to say that Frank Clark has been underwhelming as a chief so far.

We could have gotten this from Justin Houston and not lost draft picks. It's entirely fair to expect more.

That said, we have 12 more games and 7 are at home where KC"s D tends to play much better.
This is a fair assessment. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised that he hasn't been more present and effective considering his history. At this point the only counter to the acquisition of Clark would be "who could we have drafted at that slot defensively that would have made more of an impact"?

Tribal Warfare 09-29-2019 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 14489527)
He's seems SLOW and WEAK to me. No mean streak to him, either. Shit, Tamba was still setting the edge pretty well his last year!

Too much KC Barbecue...
He's had 2 Tommy Jone injuries on both elbows.

I'm starting to wonder if that's truly ****ing with him, because my now we should see more physical dominance

WhiteWhale 09-29-2019 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14489809)
This is a fair assessment. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised that he hasn't been more present and effective considering his history. At this point the only counter to the acquisition of Clark would be "who could we have drafted at that slot defensively that would have made more of an impact"?
I'm not shitting on it or going to sweat on it too much at this point.

I do want to see more from him though, and I fully EXPECT to see more.

He's on pace for what? 36 tackles and 4 sacks? Will anyone be happy with that? He's not making excuses for himself, and I think he expects to be better.

rabblerouser 09-29-2019 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 14489805)
Sounds like your not watching the games. Clark gets doubled/chipped/combo'd a ton, and sometimes they double clark and jones.
I saw that, too. It was on TV today...

kysirsoze 09-29-2019 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14489794)
I think after 4 games it's entirely fair to say that Frank Clark has been underwhelming as a chief so far.

We could have gotten this from Justin Houston and not lost draft picks. It's entirely fair to expect more.

That said, we have 12 more games and 7 are at home where KC"s D tends to play much better.
This is how I see it. I was hoping for a game wrecker and he hasn't been that. Not even close. There have been some flashes, but he's too well paid for flashes to make me happy. Still, it's a long season and I am staying optimistic that he'll get on track.

kysirsoze 09-29-2019 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 14489196)
Frank Clark: Judges self worth based on sacks

CP: Does he even watch the games?!
LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-29-2019 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14489814)
I'm not shitting on it or going to sweat on it too much at this point.

I do want to see more from him though, and I fully EXPECT to see more.

He's on pace for what? 36 tackles and 4 sacks? Will anyone be happy with that? He's not making excuses for himself, and I think he expects to be better.
Seems so to me as well. I mean, he was sold to the fan base as a world wrecker, someone who was going to come in and make an immediate, noticeable difference in both pressure and in defending against the run. I would like to think that deficiencies in the LB corps has something to do with it but even then we SHOULD be getting more from him than we currently are.

We need a killer Linebacker and a shut down corner to round this thing out.

Rain Man 09-29-2019 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 14489819)
This is how I see it. I was hoping for a game wrecker and he hasn't been that. Not even close. There have been some flashes, but he's too well paid for flashes to make me happy. Still, it's a long season and I am staying optimistic that he'll get on track.
Yeah. I've seen a lot of football movies, and at the end a guy like this always makes a critical play in a big game to redeem himself. It'll happen.


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